A Discussion Thread About Racism in America

Dirius

Dirius

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david starling said:
European law doesn't recognize fetal rights. The law in the Philippines doesn't recognize a mother's right to life if it's a choice between saving the mother or saving the fetus.
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Most european countries are not the same type of republics, like the ones you and I live in. Many of them are constitutional monarchies.

Furthermore they all belong to the European Union, some weird form of government.
 
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david starling

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Dirius said:
What agreement? You are talking nonsense now.

Are you saying inheritance laws in the U.S. don't recognise the rights of the fetus?
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All three stages--zygote, embryo, and fetus--are transitory, and can't receive any sort of inheritance, since they exist temporarily, and only within the confines of a woman's body.

"The American Convention on Human Rights", signed by most South American nations and Jamaica in 1969.
 
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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
All three stages--zygote, embryo, and fetus--are transitory,
and can't receive any sort of inheritance,
since they exist temporarily,
and only within the confines of a woman's body.
"The American Convention on Human Rights",
signed by most South American nations and Jamaica in 1969.
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david starling

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By definition, a "baby" breathes air on its own, whereas a "fetus" does not.

So a fetus is not a baby, and a baby is not a fetus.

A "baby" was once a "fetus", but a fetus is not a baby.
 
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eekndyn

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david starling said:
By the same token, a "senior citizen"' was once a "child" , but a child is not a senior citizen.
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So does that mean we can start euthanizing seniors?
Are you from the US David. Most states will charge a criminal with double homicide if they kill a pregnant woman. A zygote to an embryo to a fetus to a baby to a child to an adolescent to an adult to a senior womb to tomb.
 
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david starling

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eekndyn said:
So does that mean we can start euthanizing seniors?
Are you from the US David. Most states will charge a criminal with double homicide if they kill a pregnant woman. A zygote to an embryo to a fetus to a baby to a child to an adolescent to an adult to a senior womb to tomb.
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So, at least you admit a fetus is neither a "baby" nor a "child".

Calling it as such is simply deceptive emotionalization of the matter.

The religious belief that a zygote, in particular, is equivalent to a "human being" is peculiar to the religion(s) that espouse it, and should not be used to persecute those who disagree with it.
 
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eekndyn

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david starling said:
So, at least you admit a fetus is neither a "baby" nor a "child".

Calling it as such is simply deceptive emotionalization of the matter.

The religious belief that a zygote, in particular, is equivalent to a "human being" is peculiar to the religion(s) that espouse it, and should not be used to persecute those who disagree with it.
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Nope never said that. The DNA the gender is set from the beginning to the end.
 
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david starling

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It's our brains that make us unique within the animal kingdom, if one accepts that we are, in fact an animal species. Some religions refuse to regard human beings as members of the animal kingdom.
 
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Dirius

Dirius

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david starling said:
All three stages--zygote, embryo, and fetus--are transitory, and can't receive any sort of inheritance, since they exist temporarily, and only within the confines of a woman's body.

"The American Convention on Human Rights", signed by most South American nations and Jamaica in 1969.
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If the law recognizes that a fetus has a right of inheritance, which they do - by definition they re recognizing his right to property, and thus personhood.
 
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Dirius

Dirius

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david starling said:
So, at least you admit a fetus is neither a "baby" nor a "child".

Calling it as such is simply deceptive emotionalization of the matter.

The religious belief that a zygote, in particular, is equivalent to a "human being" is peculiar to the religion(s) that espouse it, and should not be used to persecute those who disagree with it.
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You are just twisting facts. None of us used any religious argument.

You are using religion as a strawman because you can't provide an answer to actual data.
 
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eekndyn

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That is true. If I remember correctly you brought forth Sanger opposition from the Catholic church. Inquired my personal view and carried forth assumptions.
 
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david starling

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Dirius said:
You are just twisting facts. None of us used any religious argument.

You are using religion as a strawman because you can't provide an answer to actual data.
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Yeah, but you yourself are using various legal opinions to bolster your argument. Legal opinions are just that, opinions.

No doubt that the countries with the strongest Catholic Church presence have the strictest laws against abortion, with one glaring exception: Italy(!), which legalized abortion in 1978, upon request for the first 90 days of pregnancy only, although doctors are not required to perform them.
 
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david starling

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eekndyn said:
That is true. If I remember correctly you brought forth Sanger opposition from the Catholic church. Inquired my personal view and carried forth assumptions.
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I already knew you weren't in lockstep with the Church position because you're in favor of the use of condoms for contraception.
 
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david starling

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The reason this thread turned into a discussion about abortion was that it was described as a means of genocide against the black population. Martin Luther King Jr.'s niece blamed it for that, because so many black women were aborting what amounts to millions of potential black offspring, who were therefore never born.

The problem with that attitude is, that the voluntary, effective use of contraceptives would also lead to that same result.

MUCH easier to keep quiet about contraception, blame abortionists, and completely AVOID the real question: Why have so many black women opted to have fewer children in the first place?

One likely answer is to be found in the inequities of our economic system, which limits the resources necessary for giving black children a good upbringing.

Any other theories?
 
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