Modcleopatra
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Does anyone else here have problems with how Liz Greene discusses sexuality in her work with astrology?
I have read much of her work about Saturn and Venus (I myself have a square between the two) and have been displeased with her strict adherence to gender/sexuality norms. For example, she attributes this square to "problems with my feminity." Now, being a Sun Square Pluto I of course immediately question the power structures in place that require us to see certain sexualities and gender performance as normal, and what makes us think the sexed body should immediately dictate how one behaves as either masculine or feminine, and what one should sexually desire.
The rather archiac relationship of Venus to one's feminity seems to me a sign of lax scholarship on Greene's part, and a reliance on ignorant sexist traditions pronounced by ptolemic philosophers who went unquestioned due to the role they played within the social scene- not an actual truth divined from a higher Spiritual Unity. (If anything I've taken to believing spiritual messages are often in the forms of mixed riddles, backwards to what someone might want the spiritual message mean) Let us not look at Venus as merely the sign of one's "feminity and love nature," but the point in our chart which represents our capacity to self heal and to receive love beyond the mere sensual (Moon and Mars, for example) and that which comes . I am interested to hear what people speculate and theorize with any coming Venusian impact on this planet and how the changing sexual climate represents this.
I also have issues with Greene's (and traditional astrology as a whole) take on homosexuality. She frequently reduces it to a pathology, a problem with one's Mars (if a woman) or one's Venus (if a man.) The same old Venus square Uranus shows up, along with the boring and redudant indictments of Libra and Pisces in a man's chart, and Virgo and Aries in a woman's chart. PLEASE people let us consider the soul beyond the physical and let us look past the tradition readings of the planets/signs/houses/etc to find the zen riddle lurking with a more compassionate, responsive, spiritual answer. And of course, to look for sexuality in a chart is a problem to begin with, as it again assumes the heterosexuality is normal, since who would begin the quest to see if one was heterosexual in a chart?!
I don't mean to single out Liz Greene but I know people use her a lot and use her positively and I just wanted to bring to the fore some negative consequences of her work.
Any thoughts?
I have read much of her work about Saturn and Venus (I myself have a square between the two) and have been displeased with her strict adherence to gender/sexuality norms. For example, she attributes this square to "problems with my feminity." Now, being a Sun Square Pluto I of course immediately question the power structures in place that require us to see certain sexualities and gender performance as normal, and what makes us think the sexed body should immediately dictate how one behaves as either masculine or feminine, and what one should sexually desire.
The rather archiac relationship of Venus to one's feminity seems to me a sign of lax scholarship on Greene's part, and a reliance on ignorant sexist traditions pronounced by ptolemic philosophers who went unquestioned due to the role they played within the social scene- not an actual truth divined from a higher Spiritual Unity. (If anything I've taken to believing spiritual messages are often in the forms of mixed riddles, backwards to what someone might want the spiritual message mean) Let us not look at Venus as merely the sign of one's "feminity and love nature," but the point in our chart which represents our capacity to self heal and to receive love beyond the mere sensual (Moon and Mars, for example) and that which comes . I am interested to hear what people speculate and theorize with any coming Venusian impact on this planet and how the changing sexual climate represents this.
I also have issues with Greene's (and traditional astrology as a whole) take on homosexuality. She frequently reduces it to a pathology, a problem with one's Mars (if a woman) or one's Venus (if a man.) The same old Venus square Uranus shows up, along with the boring and redudant indictments of Libra and Pisces in a man's chart, and Virgo and Aries in a woman's chart. PLEASE people let us consider the soul beyond the physical and let us look past the tradition readings of the planets/signs/houses/etc to find the zen riddle lurking with a more compassionate, responsive, spiritual answer. And of course, to look for sexuality in a chart is a problem to begin with, as it again assumes the heterosexuality is normal, since who would begin the quest to see if one was heterosexual in a chart?!
I don't mean to single out Liz Greene but I know people use her a lot and use her positively and I just wanted to bring to the fore some negative consequences of her work.
Any thoughts?