The Crisis with Iran

This thread was hatched by discussion with Sandstone on another thread, rather than writing it out again, i will leave a link, but please write comments on the right thread either Syria or Iran:-

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43192

Hi Sandstone,

It is a pain in the butt, working out alignments for just one location, i have fear that Israel will strike at important area's of Iran, if we don't resolve problems over Nuclear Reactors.

So soon i will give dates, but they are approx. as they are from Tehran, and unlike Iraq they are spread out reactors etc. in Iran, link below:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11927720

Therefore the dates for Iran do have a margin for the day before or after, it is the best i can do for future combinations.....i can't see our present difficulties lasting for more than five years, without something hitting the fan.

However it does give structure, in truth with double alignments etc. it is the same for any location in our era to get approx. 21 days a year when Sirius or Alnilam are on the angles, not many days out of 365, is it, for odds of chance?

Perhaps Sandstone, you can find other ways to hone in on dates better, on next thread section.

Monk, I notice that the EU decided this week to embargo Iranian crude beginning 1 July 2012 and that Iran's counter threat is to cut off shipments of crude oil to Europe before that date.

QUOTE from Newsroom America:
"Why should we not stop oil exports to European states immediately and replace them with other numerous customers who are ready to buy Iran’s oil" said an editorial in the Kayhan newspaper, whose editor is appointed by Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, FT reported.

In 2011, the EU bought about 600,000 barrels of crude a day from Iran, the report said, or about a quarter of all Mideast oil exports. China, meanwhile, is Iran's largest customer, purchasing 500,000 barrels per day, FT reported. © 2012 Newsroom America.

Sirius rising with Sun.....29th July.
Sun rises, Sirius M.C......3rd Oct.
Sun rises, Sirius sets......6th Dec.
Sun rises, Sirius I.C.........7th April, please note this is a double alignment.

Sun sets, Sirius sets........4th June.
Sun sets, Sirius I.C.........10th Oct.
Sun sets, Sirius rises.......26th Jan.
Sun sets, Sirius M.C.........29th March.

Midnight, Sirius rises.........16th Oct.
Midnight, Sirius M.C..........3rd Jan. please note this is a double alignment.
Midnight, Sirius sets.........7th April, please note this is a double alignment.
Midnight, Sirius I.C...........20th 20th July.

Alnilam doesn't rise at midnight, it is caught between change of Summer Time.
Midnight, Alnilam M.C.........17th Dec.
Midnight, Alnilam sets........1st April.
Midnight, Alnilam I.C..........2nd July.

Sun rises, Alnilam rises.......4th July, doubt U.S. independence day would be used!
Sun rises, Alnilam M.C.........18th Sept.
Sun rises, Alnilam sets........1st Dec.
Sun rises, Alnilam I.C..........11th Mar.

Sun sets, Alnilam rises.........3rd Jan. please note double alignment.
Sun sets, Alnilam M.C..........15th Mar.
Sun sets, Alnilam I.C...........13th Sept.
Sun sets, Alnilam sets.........29th Mar.

All dates are from Tehran, Iran during our era, i would give it a five year margin, i can't see it going beyond that!
Roughly 21 days, by excluding double alignments etc.

I note that four of the dates you provided are days that feature a 'double alignment' - this seems highly significant

Hi JupiterAsc,

We see first connection on 1 July 2012 in Tehran, midnight alignment, slightly out of 1 degree or four minutes of time, Alnilam on Nadir, 4 mins 4 secs!

One wonders when Iran intends to block oil supplies to EU? Double Alignment on 7 April co-incidence?

hi monk!

before i comment on the chart(s), i am going to give you the charts that i am working with... i think there are primarily 2 of them.. one for april 1 1979 and the other for feb 1 1979 both tehran as location...i like the one for feb better based on my experience.. the one for feb 1 1979 is timed to the landing of the plane at 933am, which was originally thought to be 950am.. the april 1st is for 3pm... the data comes from nic campions book of world horoscopes - latest edition 2004 or thereabouts...

let me get back to this with comments hopefully tomorrow.. thanks!

Hi Sandstone,
I don't think the landing of the Plane on 1st Feb. 1979 was electional astrology, but as you know i have starlight, and Brady is probably our best fixed star specialist....thus i show her MUNDANE PARANS, i think you will find them interesting.

I'll show the same for 1st April 1979 tomorrow, i'm very tired now!

Mundane Parans for 1st Feb 1979 on attachment.

well, turns out copy and paste doesn't seem to work in this new forum system, but ctrl v does... i will remember this for next time.........

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hi monk,

i think the crisis with iran has as much to do with the crisis of western society - the usa in particular for having become an industrial military complex a long time ago, which dovetails very nicely with the almighty $ that seems to define so much of why certain actions are taken more agressively then others... war=money.. oil= money too, but it is harder to print up the same way the federal reserve does... if it is a war for dominance on a monetary front, at this point the federal reserve along with the boe are winning... funny thing i had heard a few years ago how iraq and iran and a few of the other oil producing arab countries had wanted to get oil paid in euros, instead of us$... it seems that didn't happen quick enough and now we see the us forcing europe to stop importing oil from iran... if you look into the history of usa sanctions forced through on iraq and the number of dead children a direct result of these sanctions, you start to get a small picture into how ugly war, or for that matter - sanctions are...

what for? some are telling us it's okay for one country in the middle east to have nuclear arms, while not being a signatory to the nuclear arms proliferation treaty while it is not okay for others to have them.. most folks call that hypocrisy.. well, according to the propaganda so readily available and regularly dispensed, all the other countries that want them are run by evil dictatorships...i will leave others to decide who the real evil dictatorships are at present.. in a real twist of irony the usa worked so hard to maintain these same dictatorships over the rule of democracy... read the history of iran circa 1953 for a clear window into the usa's agenda in this part of the world....

it is with this as a backdrop that we can say 'the crisis with iran' is much more the crisis in morality of the western world led by the usa, or more specifically the federal reserve in cahoots with the boe to bring war on the world in the middle east, or anywhere else if the resources look attractive enough.. the 2 charts i have for the federal reserve are both for washington dc dec 23rd 1913.. one for noon time 12:07:17pm, the other for 6:02pm.. for the boe i have 27 july 1694 westminister 10am.. finally, i would like to offer 1 of 3 charts for israel for consideration as israel has a unique role in all of this as well.. isaac starkman of tel aviv has a rectified time of 4:15:08 pm off the same date for all 3 charts - may 14 1948 tel aviv..the other 2 times are 4pm and 437pm.. i liked using the 4pm time, but haven't worked with the other 2 times as much..

now i can comment on irans chart having given some of my background views on this present focus we see on iran..

you are right monk - the feb 1 1979 chart is not electional astrology.. it is a time that is in use by other astrologers for iran though.. if we had exact birth times for the leaders of iran, that would be helpful too...

first a comment on the data i am providing here.. primary directions are something i am trying to integrate into my work, but not something i have done a lot of work with.. my focus has primarily been working with solar arc directions and transits.. i do look at minor progressions and teritiary progressions, but generally don't look at secondary progressions, solar or lunar returns, profections. recently i have been looking at ascendant arc directions as well...

one will note the more data one looks at the more complex it all becomes.. this is the beauty of working with less aspects, and less points on a chart.. it simplifies the work involved in narrowing down a time area that seems to have all the different predictive tools one can use into a cohesion of relatedness.. perhaps with this data you will be able to look more closely at a specific time spot.. that is the hope of an astrologer trying to make a prediction into the future with all this data... primary directions are nice in that there is less data! solar arc directions have much more, especially if you use too many aspects and points... transits are the most fleeting of data, but help bring the rest of it all together hopefully.. it is like lining up a set of tumblers to unlock a door.. the key has to fit through them all!!!

primary directions for iran in the next couple of years are
jupiter directed to i.c. jan 7 2012
mercury d sqaure moon nov 20th 2012
venus d square jupiter nov 27 2013
sun d sextile uranus march 6 2014
saturn d to jupiter dec 26 2014
venus d to uranus jan 15 2015
mars d square moon aug 9 2015

i am using placidus semiarc mundane positions with naibod key..

solar arc directions for the next few years are
sa midheaven @ mercury jan 27 2012
sa uranus 45 mars jan 28 2012
sa moon 135 venus march 23 2012
sa mars opp saturn may 30 2012
because i get a lot more data off solar arc directions i am going to simplify the rest of the list for the next couple of years now
sa ascendant square mars nov 30 2012
sa midheaven sextile moon dec 26 2012
sa moon square sun july 9 2013
sa midheaven conj mars dec 24 2014
sa sun 135 jupiter jan 16 2015
sa saturn conj pluto april 27 2015

i am using sa in right ascension for the angle movement.

next comes the transit data
the outer planets pluto and uranus continue to hover near the angles to this 933am chart for iran... these are the 'big change' duo which when on the angles imply 'big change'... i would say they are a little over half past them, but this is a rough sketch on it.. t uranus is at 1 aries 35 - exact square midheaven feb 23 2012.. then onto exact conjunction to ascendant about april 1st - no april fools jokes folks... oh, by the way when i say angles i mean - the ascendant and midheaven axis... these are the most important consideration when looking at any chart.. the equivalent in star paran data is watching when a planet is rising same time as sunrise, or culminating... the other point worth strong consideration is natal moon in irans chart at 7 aries 02 which has both uranus and pluto making hard aspect to this as well.. moon represents the people in a mundane chart.. these 2 outers hover around the moon very closely most of the summer so i am not listing the specific dates for these down below.. finally - examine the stations of the large planets from saturn out and see if any station falls closely to an important point, as this can also indicate a critical moment ... lots to factor into any predictive work!

t mars retro conj saturn march 6
t jupiter square mars march 11
mercury station march 12 at ascendant moon conj.
t jupiter square sun march 24
t mars direct conj saturn may 26
t mars conj descendant july 12

i don't have the heart to list the stationary dates of the planets at this point!!! it is available... i will look at all this data in retrospect later... cheers! james

Hi Sandstone,

Thank you for your analysis, no doubt a lot of work, i'm investigating, but will take time!
At the moment i'm fascinated by how scientists love to get Isis or Osiris into the mix, an example would be "Institute for Science and International Security....ISIS"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Science_and_International_Security

This was activated by its first publication in Washington D.C., called "Building a Corporate Non-Proliferation Ethic, by David Albright and Peter Gray". Link below:-

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/building-a-corporate-nonproliferation-ethic/

This was dated 1st June 1993, ancient Greek day marker applied, at sunset on 31st May 1993 in Washington D.C., Sun sets with Sirius, i can't accept this is by chance, as Sirius is the star of Isis!

Graph on attachment.

Indeed, the above report covers Iraq, that Israel attacked on 7th June 1981, again ancient Greek daymarker applied at sunset of previous day, Sirius sets with Sun, and they attacked a reactor called Osiris/Osirak!

At sunset on 6th June 1981, the Sun set with Sirius in Baghdad by paran, which was called Operation Opera!

The Reactor that was hit in Baghdad came from Saclay, in suburbs of Paris, France.

http://den-dans.extra.cea.fr/en/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast_visu.php?id_ast=68

The date of the Osiris reactor is 8th September 1966, ancient Greek daymarker applied, sunset of previous day at location, as Sun set, Alnilam was on nadir, as Alnilam is the star of Osiris, i can't think this happened by chance, graph on attachment!

All details about Operation Opera and alignments are given on the Syria thread, thread section #9, however please keep Syria and Iran separate threads!

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43192

Science does seem to have Hermetic structure, hell don't we have enough religions operating in this mess? Another of many is below:-

http://www.hssonline.org/publications/publications_isis_osiris.html

you may think there is more to the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran and it's emblem of sacred geometry being the Visica Piscis, don't ask me who the good guys are...it is highly complicated with greed and hermetic creed!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Energy_Organization_of_Iran

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesica_piscis

Hi Monk - thought you may be interested - here's my recent post on a parallel thread re: the Iran situation

JUPITERASC said:

IMO it is common knowledge that because of financial sanctions that have already been imposed on Iran by the united states, the Iranians have been cut off from much of the worlds trade and its very difficult for them to actually trade using dollars and other currency. The question I have noticed being repeated on news media is this: "Despite the fact that sanctions are imposing a significant cost on the Iranians, what shall this pain translate into? Shall it translate into an Iranian capitulation on the nuclear issue or shall it translate into an Iranian counter escalation all the way into a direct military confrontation?" Some news media analysts are of the opinion that - as they see it right now - the likelihood of a confrontation is higher than the likelihood of a capitulation.

So, what are the clues? I mean there are some fairly big clues in the form of an American aircraft carrier.

But the news media are saying that its not necessarily just that there's a military build up in the region, its the fact that frankly at some point one has to ask the obvious question: "Where does one draw the line between where sanctions end and military conflict begins? It seems "a very blurry line"... some news analysts think the US/Europe have already passed over "the blurry line". Why? Because the santioning of a country's Central Bank is viewed by some as a declaration of war in and of itself because essentially Central Banks enjoy sovereign immunity

IMO Iran trades mainly with Russia, China and the East so attacking Iran is a way of attacking Russian, Chinese and Eastern oil supplies - US, Russia, China et al are frequently in conflict

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I have no idea if there will be a war with Iran, however mentioning no names, there is probably a country at the moment assassinating Nuclear Scientists in Iran, if they assassinate enough scientists then the problem goes away....not sure how i feel about that having morals!!!

http://thebulletin.org/print/web-edition/features/nuclear-scientists-assassination-targets

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostafa_Ahmadi-Roshan

Please click on "Also See".

As these are civilians i can only see this as "Black Operations".

Hi JupiterAsc,
I like films, as you know, another of my favourite films is "Three Days of the Condor", link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Days_of_the_Condor

The term for all these revolutionary movements operating in the Islamic world are Spring Islamic Movements.....we can look at them all, obviously by the two threads i have mentioned some of these.....Not TUNISIA YET!

Capital= Tunis!

Tunisia gained independence from France on 20th March 1956, at midnight in Tunis, Alnilam setting in West by paran, links and attachment below!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisian_independence

Libya is more complex but i will show tomorrow...it will be interesting!

hi monk ,

that is just data.. i haven't got round to processing it yet! i looked at the solar return and aries ingress to tehran for this year as well and my impression off these 2 charts is less likelihood of war this year..

meanwhile as you note the iranian nuclear scientists continue to be knocked off my some secret service of a foreign country, which shall remain unknown for the time being, but i am sure i can imagine what iran is thinking on this.. you may also know about this story out a couple of weeks ago as well..

when i get time, i will process that info in the post i made a few days ago..

Hi Sandstone,

As i said, i'm doing a little groundwork on the Arab Spring protests and revolutions, 1'll leave Libya to a little later, so i'll carry on with Algeria.

Algeria gained independence on 5th July 1962, Capital is Algiers, Sunrise day marker used, Alnilam rises with Sun at location on date, graph on attachment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria

The Arab Spring protests started on 28th December 2010, i have a graph on attachment from the Capital Algiers, where it looks like that midnight day marker was used, both Jupiter and Uranus conjunct the Desc. within a degree, and as some of the symbolism for Uranus is revolutions, i think you will get the idea, obviously at midnight day marker, Alnilam is culminating on M.C.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–2012_Algerian_protests

The 2011 Arab Spring Protests started in Oman on 17th January 2011 in Sohar, links below:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Omani_protests

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sohar

Although the margin or orb is a few seconds over 4 minutes of time or 1* degree, it looks like ancient Greek day marker was used, being sunset on 16th January 2011, for as the Sun sets, Sirius rises by paran, graph on attachment. The alignment will also work for the Capital.

I can't find a connection to the Bahrain uprising, that started on 14th Feb. 2011, link below:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Bahraini_uprising

However it did create an interesting knee-jerk reaction from the King of Bahrain who set up "The Bahrain Independent Commission of Inquiry on 29th June 2011 in the Capital, Manama, to look into the period of unrest during in February and March".

It would seem he was using hermetic electional astrology with Sirius and Alnilam, at sunrise, Alnilam was rising, at midnight Sirius was on Nadir, graph on attachment, link below:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_Independent_Commission_of_Inquiry

Double alignment below:-

Obviously Morocco has had Arab Spring protests, however here i would like to go back in history, there was a time when Morocco had split colonial powers involved being France and Spain, link below Spanish Protectorate:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Morocco

You will note that the Spanish part of Morocco was independent on 7th April 1956, i'm using the Capital of Tetouan, using sunrise day marker, Sirius is on Nadir, graph on attachment.

However the Treaty of Fez or fes, shows how Morocco was split up in colonial times between Spain and France, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Fez

This was signed in Fez/Fes on 30th March 1912, ancient Greek day marker applied at sunset on 29th March 1912 at location, as Sun sets, Sirius is culminating on M.C........we wonder if a great deal of history has been elected to correspond to hermetic beliefs, thus structured, it brings up questions about free will regarding a secret religion that 99% of voters in a democracy don't follow, graph on attachment.