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KARMA is ENERGY.

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"Action" is kinetic-energy; and "inaction" is potential-energy.
Both can be either "good" or "bad" energy.



the word "Karma" means "Action"

There are three BASIC types

PHYSICAL action

VERBAL action

and

MENTAL action.

Every action leaves an imprint

Physical actions may produce tangible residue

whereas

verbal and mental karma create intangible imprints.


Analyze the trail of any karma
and one may be surprised
how it may wane
but
never gets destroyed completely.
It is the residue of each karma that conditions one




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Karma is a manifestation of Life-Energy. How it is applied or not applied causes various types of consequences. In addition, "good" Energy causes "good" consequences, and "bad" Energy causes "bad" consequences-- not to be confused with the terms "positive" and "negative", which correspond instead to "action" and "inaction", and "kinetic" and "potential". So, one "has" Karma whether committing an action or not. To live, is to have Karma. And one's Karma is affected by the nature of one's actions and inactions. The principle of Cause and Effect definitely applies. What you do and don't do with it is what counts. As in Epidemics, Book 1, of the Hippocratic school: "Practice two things in your dealings with disease: either help or do not harm the patient." Thomas Inman phrased it this way: "Primum non nocere"--"First do no harm".

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Karma is the life- Energy of action and inaction.
How that Energy manifests, causes various types of consequences.


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In addition, "good" Energy causes "good" consequences, and "bad" Energy causes "bad" consequences

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-- not to be confused with the terms "positive" and "negative"

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which correspond instead to "action" and "inaction", and "kinetic" and "potential".
So, one "has" karma whether committing an action or not.



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To live, is to have karma.
And one's karma is affected by one's actions and inactions.
The principle of Cause and Effect definitely applies.



KARMA = ACTION


ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES


PHYSICAL action has consequences
VERBAL action has consequences
MENTAL action has consequences

all actions have consequences


for example
the consequence of a mental action such as a thought
may lead to a verbal action and/or a physical action


'.....My actions are my only true belongings.
I cannot escape the consequences of my actions.
My actions are the ground upon which I stand.....' Thich Nhat hHanh


“Decision-making would be so much easier if it weren't for the consequences” -anonymous


It may be easy to dodge our responsibilities
but it is impossible to dodge the consequences of dodging our responsibilities - Josiah Stamp
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Karma is a manifestation of Life-Energy. When applied, it's an action. When not applied, it's an inaction. "First do no harm" relates to the latter. Best to do nothing than to do the wrong thing--it's the results that count. Good actions and inactions have good consequences; and conversely, bad actions and bad inactions have bad consequences. APPLIED Karma means "Action".

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Karma is life-Energy.

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When applied, it's an action.
When not applied, it's an inaction.
"First do no harm" relates to the latter.




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Best to do nothing than to do the wrong thing.
It's the results that count.

Action has intention

however
results
aka consequences
are not unusually unforeseeable and therefore often unintended
hence advisability of "good intention"
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Good actions and inactions have good consequences;
and conversely, bad actions and bad inactions have bad consequences. APPLIED Karma means "Action".

“moral silence” = failing to speak up about issues that are known to be wrong
“moral deafness” = failure to hear or attend to moral concerns raised by others
“moral blindness” = failure to recognise the moral implications of actions (Bird 2002)



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"Karma" is a word that means action



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As a vital manifestation of Life-Energy, Karma means "Action" when it's applied; and "Inaction" when not applied. Both versions have Consequences, so one cannot escape one's Karma by doing nothing. One's Karma is the aggregate effect of one's actions and inactions.

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As a vital manifestation of Life-Energy, Karma means "Action" when it's applied;
and "Inaction" when not applied.
Both versions have Consequences, so one cannot escape one's Karma by doing nothing.
One's Karma is the aggregate effect of one's actions and inactions.

Karma is a sanskrit word meaning action



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Choosing (deciding) to act is not in itself an "action".
One can choose NOT to act, in which case no "action" is taken.
f one decides to act and doesn't follow through on that decision, no "action" is taken.
The result in both cases is "inaction"--no act committed.
Yet, "inaction" like "action" has consequences.
Acting and/or not acting can even occur without a decision or choice involved.
(Unless you're a Virgo!
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For example









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like a broken bloody record *skip* *skip*


perhaps for the purposes of this thread, we can temporarily substitute "action" with "event"

*discretisation* is an event. therefore, choosing is an action. to choose not to act is a discretisation. it is an action, although it implies an inaction. there is still a processing, or a parsing *action*


it takes a rigorous application of the *fundamental meaning of terms and not the vernacular sense* to participate in a technical discussion

eg.

in computer programming, any "statement" ie.

let a = a + b

which can also be written in many other ways eg.

a = a + b;

or my favourite,

a += b;

is an *argument*


this does not mean the terms are shouting at each other, or disagree,

the most fundamental meaning of "argument" is applied in the sense of programmatic procedure.

and in the same way, in philosophy, in the matter of english speakers discussing karma, an "action" describes anything chartable, anything which may be discretised, even if it is beyond our scope of observation.

"energy" may be more comfortable for your interpretation, but entire generations of indians who also speak english have translated "karma" as "action".

in the same way that an entire generation of programmers have termed computer statements "arguments".


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in the west, we are encouraged to believe in a materialist doctrine, where our thoughts are perhaps physioloogical, neurochemical or otherwise, events. "actions" but actions of cells, not of entire persons. "energies" certainly. programmers would even feel comfortable calling them "arguments" of physical forces/substantiation.

in jain culture, for example, as in various western considerations, thoughts are considered to have an objective existence, ...ie. teilhard de chardin's "noosphere".

jains believe that what you think *does* affect the world, not just through your resulting "physical actions" but that there is an objective, wholistic, integrated effect. people who have spent a lifetime being encouraged not to appreciate such things certainy aren't going to begin to because they read a paragraph in a book or on the internet.

but certainly, *if* one were accustomed to appreciating that what one thinks does immediately have presence in the "objective" world, then it would be more appreciable to consider thoughts as actions.

until this, i suggest using the term "event" to bring harmony between this cyclic posting between the two of you

...because if we cannot get past that, how are we supposed to inculcate deeper appreciations eg. the relativity of "good" and "bad" ??? *shrug* let's move beyond the dichotomies, quickly..!
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This is why the concept of Heaven and Hell exists. And Reincarnation also. Consequences in "this life" often seem unfair.
What about people who do not believe in those places, either?
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Karma is a sanskrit word meaning action



A WESTERN interpretation of a Sanskrit word, which doesn't encompass its full meaning.
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What about people who do not believe in those places, either?
For them, this world could use a LOT of improvement.
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For them, this world could use a LOT of improvement.
Well yes. To believe that some kind of divine justice or order to the world is being meted out while we're not looking seems horrifically irresponsible.

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Noraleader, repeating the same thing over and over makes it True.
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Well yes. To believe that some kind of divine justice or order to the world is being meted out while we're not looking seems horrifically irresponsible.
Yes, our collective Karma is not good.
Karma is both action and inaction.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"-{origin uncertain, possibly Edmund Burke}

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What kind of karma is there for farting in an elevator full of people?

Is that bad karma for me? Even though it was healthy to release said fart?
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What kind of karma is there for farting in an elevator full of people?

Is that bad karma for me? Even though it was healthy to release said fart?
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where does perception come into action and karma and reaction?

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What kind of karma is there for farting in an elevator full of people?

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Is that bad karma for me?
Even though it was healthy to release said fart?

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Noraleader, repeating the same thing over and over makes it True.
note the repetition.....

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Well yes.
To believe that some kind of divine justice
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Quite ...


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What kind of karma is there for farting in an elevator full of people?

Is that bad karma for me? Even though it was healthy to release said fart?
To fart or not to fart, that is the question.
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