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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

Actually the true and original symbol for Aquarius is a Angel... and the Angel is pouring down 'succor' from Heaven.
If you'll read my "Runic Explanation of the Zodiac" in the 'Other Astrology' forum,
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=13700
you'll find out why the sign is called 'the Water Bearer", as I give an explanation for this.
Birds are much represented by the 360 degrees of the Zodiac in the Sabian Symbols. Dane Rudhyar says that in symbolism birds represent spiritual forces [sometimes entities] and the Magpie is most special in symbolism.
The distinctive combination of its' colouring of black and white represents a true 'Magi', a true sorcerer [...hmmmm..., 'Magipie'?] that can walk the 'Razors Edge'..that fine line of distinction between the 'Black' and the 'White';
...btw, the other members mention of Scorpio also being the symbol of an Eagle is quite correct as to every thing I have ever read about the Sign.
The Eagle represents the 'Spiritually evolved' Scorpio. One that has mastered their desires [Scorpios' key phrase is: 'I Desire".]

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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

Well, there is actually..
And even more visible then all other signs.

Check this link:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1220195632.htm
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

...and even yet...is this late breaking development...WOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

scorpio is alone among the signs in that it has three symbol,indicative of the scorpionic evolution.
the base scorp is symbolized by the scorpion,
the fulfilled scorp is symbolized by the eagle
the evolved scorp is symbolized by the dove/angel

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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

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scorpio is alone among the signs in that it has three symbol,indicative of the scorpionic evolution.
the base scorp is symbolized by the scorpion,
the fulfilled scorp is symbolized by the eagle
the evolved scorp is symbolized by the dove/angel

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May I ask what source for the Dove/Angel ?
As I have a Scorp. Asc. I am most curious
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

isabel hickey's astrology the cosmic science

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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

The eagle is associated with Scorpio. And the sign Libra is scales representing the Egyptian goddess Maat who wears a feather, which she puts on one side of the scales to weigh the heart.
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

what would be Hummingbirds. gemini possibly

quick, fast, they travel a LONG ways, like butterflies.
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Check out the little birdy back there. Ibis is supposed to be associated with Mercury/Hermes; from the Egyptian god Thoth.
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

Yeah I relate birds to air signs for obvious reasons and eagle to the second stage of scorpio.. dove to the third.
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The sabian symbols divide the zodiac into incriments of one symbol for each of the 360 degrees. there are lots of symbols dealing with birds.

Here are some that come to mind. (Shortened versions from Dane Rudhyar's "An Astrological Mandala")

Gemini 23:

"THREE FLEDGLINGS IN A NEST HIGH IN A TREE.

KEYNOTE: The growth of spiritually creative processes in an at least relatively integrated mind."

Cancer 18:

"A HEN SCRATCHING THE GROUND TO FIND NOURISHMENT FOR HER PROGENY.

KEYNOTE: The practical concern with everyday nourishment necessary to sustain one's outreaching activities."

Leo 21:

"INTOXICATED CHICKENS DIZZILY FLAP THEIR WINGS TRYING TO FLY.

KEYNOTE: The often-negative and at times ludicrous first experience with spiritual teachings."

Leo 22:

"A CARRIER PIGEON FULFILLING ITS MISSION.

KEYNOTE: Spirituality, in terms of training for service to mankind."

Libra 26:

"AN EAGLE AND A LARGE WHITE DOVE CHANGE TO EACH OTHER.

EYNOTE: The interaction of the spiritual Will and of the Love principle when critical needs arise."

Sag 12:

"A FLAG TURNS INTO AN EAGLE; THE EAGLE INTO A CHANTICLEER SALUTING THE DAWN.

KEYNOTE: The spiritualization and promotion of great symbols of a New Age by minds sensitive to its precursory manifestations."

Sag 24:

"A BLUEBIRD PERCHED ON THE GATE OF A COTTAGE.

KEYNOTE: The reward which meets every effort at integrating into a social environment for those who remain true to their own selves."

Capricorn 10:

"AN ALBATROSS FEEDING FROM THE HAND OF A SAILOR.

KEYNOTE: The overcoming of fear and its rewards."

Aqua 20:

"A LARGE WHITE DOVE BEARING A MESSAGE.

KEYNOTE: The answer of spiritual agencies to thorough, sustained and victorious individual efforts."

There are plenty of other animals in the set of symbols as well, for instance virgo 16 has an orangutang and scorpio 23 has a rabbit.. etc.

to read the symbols in full go here: http://www.mindfire.ca/An%20Astrolog...20Contents.htm

Because the symbols read from 1-30 rather than 0-29, make sure to read the symbol for the next degree up. for instance a planet at 0.23 aries should be read as 1 aries, 1.07 as 2 aries, etc.

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scorpio is alone among the signs in that it has three symbol,indicative of the scorpionic evolution.
the base scorp is symbolized by the scorpion,
the fulfilled scorp is symbolized by the eagle
the evolved scorp is symbolized by the dove/angel

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The way i always knew it to be was:

1. The material bound scorpio- scorpion (close to the ground and responds with fear... stinger)
2. The spiritually driven scorpio - phoenix (rebirth, renewal of spirit.. cleansing & rising above the ashes of past karma)
3. The spiritually sustained scorpio - eagle (soaring above everyday existence)
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The way i always knew it to be was:

1. The material bound scorpio- scorpion (close to the ground and responds with fear... stinger)
2. The spiritually driven scorpio - phoenix (rebirth, renewal of spirit.. cleansing & rising above the ashes of past karma)
3. The spiritually sustained scorpio - eagle (soaring above everyday existence)
Phoenix would be the last stage
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

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I have been wondering why none of the twelve zodiac signs are birds? There are water creatures, mammals, humans and dead objects but no birds? i don't get it, it's like a very important symbolic part of the world has been left out. i know that the Scorpio also is referred to as the Eagle if it's a highly developed scorpio, but still...Why do you think no birds are represented?
I really don't think it matters. Different cultures used different animals in order to describe the primal energy used to represent these signs. So one culture might used a crab to represent cancer, but another culture might actually prefer a hermit. Maybe in other cultures they do have birds. All the animals in the zodiac represents primal energy that a normal human being can not readily achieve. Aquarius, Virgo and I think Gemini represent humanity specifically. Libra is an inanimate object meaning that it is a sign that reflects society or it's environment. Pisces can relate to humans and animals
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

Well, I think it's because people would complain that the universe was "giving them the bird" if they had one in the signs. xD

Or, maybe they just thought bird signs were "for the birds." Hehe.
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?



Better look again, for Birds were in the zodiac long ago!

http://www.keyofsolomon.org/The%20Lo...an%20Brown.php




http://www.byzant.com/Mystical/Astrology/Eagle.aspx

http://thezodiac.com/eagle2.htm



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Phoenix would be the last stage
Hmm... i wonder why you say so.

whereas phoenix is the rebirth, eagle is more like the result after the process of rebirth.
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

Hey check out http://www.primalastrology.com/ find your true self! It is a mix of your sun sign and your Chinese sign, so I am virgo/snake which makes me a jellyfish! But there are hundreds of combinations and many include birds!
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

Yeah, Ezekiel and the fixed cross of matter, I guess the only bird would be the eagle.

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Hmm... i wonder why you say so.

whereas phoenix is the rebirth, eagle is more like the result after the process of rebirth.
Scorpio stage is for those who follow their desires no matter the consequences and revenge is their greatest motive, the Eagle is spiritual and it has risen above the desires but they still prey on small animals to feed, while Phoenix represents a metaphysically transformed higher spiritual being that doesn't need to harm anyone to continue it's existence, and is the ultimate symbol of alchemy as it sums up the phrase that is very Plutonian in nature One's beginning is in their ending. Both birds symbolize divine knowledge and epiphany and honor in many cultures throughout Europe
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

SYMBOL DICTIONARY STATES:

The Eagle is the universal emblem of the gods of the sky.


The cosmic eagle is a symbol of the highest aspirations of the spirit, and its triumph over the carnal nature.

This is why the eagle is so often depicted in combat with serpents or bulls
creatures who symbolize earthly desire (bull)
or evil (serpents).

It is most often a solar symbol, but sometimes it is thunder or lightning

The divine eagle is often a hybrid or transformed man, often a king or hero of great virtue.


Astrologically, the eagle is the highest aspect of the sign Scorpio

its lower aspect is a serpent.








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EAGLE SYMBOLISM WORLDWIDE
- source: symbol dictionary

The Aztec sun-god Hiutzilopochtli took the form of an eagle (cuauhtli) in a well-known prophecy of the settlement of Mexico.
As the legend goes, the god told

the wandering Aztec tribes to search until they found an eagle perched upon a nopal (prickly pear) cactus.
Whether or not that eagle was clutching a snake has been a matter of some debate,
but the familiar symbolism struck a chord with Mexicos European settlers,
and the iconic image of a serpent-swallowing eagle was adopted as the coat of arms of Mexico


The lion-headed Imdugud (the largest and best known of the giant Anzu birds)
was closely associated with the god Ningirsu, and his temple in the Sumerian city of Lagash.
Imdugud is the personification of storms.

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SYMBOL DICTIONARY STATES:

The Eagle is the universal emblem of the gods of the sky.


The cosmic eagle is a symbol of the highest aspirations of the spirit, and its triumph over the carnal nature.

This is why the eagle is so often depicted in combat with serpents or bulls
creatures who symbolize earthly desire (bull)
or evil (serpents).

It is most often a solar symbol, but sometimes it is thunder or lightning

The divine eagle is often a hybrid or transformed man, often a king or hero of great virtue.


Astrologically, the eagle is the highest aspect of the sign Scorpio

its lower aspect is a serpent.








The symbol for sag 12 , from Dane Rudhyar's "An Astrological Mandala:

"A FLAG TURNS INTO AN EAGLE; THE EAGLE INTO A CHANTICLEER SALUTING THE DAWN.

KEYNOTE: The spiritualization and promotion of great symbols of a New Age by minds sensitive to its precursory manifestations.


In the background of this strange allegory we can recognize the deep-seated belief that the American nation and its basic democratic institutions were constituted to be the cradle for a new step in human evolution. The "flag" is the abstract symbol of the nation; it becomes an "eagle" another U.S. symbol when the concept is made alive by bold and transcendent action. The eagle symbolizes spiritual will and the power to rise to the highest possible altitude of consciousness and purpose. Flying at such an altitude, the eagle is the first living creature to perceive the rising sun. Having perceived it, it heralds it and by so doing is identified with the crowing chanticleer, who had convinced himself that his resonant cry was responsible for the rise of the sun and the coming of a new day.

This second stage symbol contrasts with the first in that it is completely future-oriented. It speaks of "peak experiences" instead of the wisdom found in the organismic depth of the body-consciousness. It urges us to bring our noblest ideals to actual life through the power of the spiritual will. A Keyword might be ANNUNCIATION."
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

Christian countries have traditionally use eagles on flags and heraldry symbols a lot.

Some people consider lizard a type of Scorpio.

I believe that I have found a way to tell what type they are right away. From my personal experience, nothing drives a Scorpio type more than pursuing an opportunity of revenge, while an Eagle type Scorpio lets the Universe deal with the bad guys for them. And the Phoenix type wouldn't even look back in anger or wish for the Universe to punish the guilty.
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Wonderful posts, JA. People should not confuse the literal meanings and symbolic.
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Of all the non-zodiac (or parazodiac) constellations, Aquila (the Eagle) represents the United States of America, after all our national bird is the bald eagle. Just above Sagittarius (the US' natal chart ascendant) and Capricorn, Aquila's brightest star Altair is of astrological significance when a planet plus the Sun or Moon is below it on the ecliptic.

Scorpio has an "eagle" portion, as well a "lizard" or "snake" and "phoenix". Each portion will be different in personality, character and life experiences. My own sign Aquarius would vary, like the 0-9 degrees aren't the same like my 20-29 degrees (my sun at 26, Moon at 20). What's interesting is my Uranus is in Scorpio (25 deg), located near it's stinger or tail.
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