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Re: Fear

Disclaimer:
My native language is NOT English, so I apologize if I appear rude or politically incorrect. It`s just my different cultural background. I`m doing my best, but I`ve never studied English language and I`m mostly self-taught.
I`m not familiar with American/British etiquette to the degree I`m familiar with the use of English language itself.
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QUOTE=conspiracy theorist;1000232]Check what Saturn, Moon, Venus and ASC ruler are doing in this chart for starters.[/QUOTE]


So, let`s define what FEAR is:
Are we speaking of FEAR, an emotion that triggers flight of fight reaction? Nothing is possible, because fear is an instinctual reaction which is controlled by Amygdala ( if I`m not mistaken), a tiny midbrain structure which is common for both humans and reptiles.

"Instinctive" means inborn and irrational, beyond the control of the willpower, or grey matter/ neocortex / evolutionary younger parts of the brain, if you will.

Amygdala doesn`t care what one wants or needs. It only triggers responses : emotional, mental and then physical ( Adrenaline release and, if the fear is chronic, Cortisol overproduction with all its physical consequences), producing an endless loop of trigger-response-trigger or a vicious cycle.


One can`t control fear - the only two possible reactions to it are either fighting or trying to escape/avoid the trigger. There can be no other reaction. We just weren`t "programmed" to react in any different way.

Fearful people don`t share personal details with strangers. They hide and/or withdraw. Inside their homes or inside themselves. Or both. Fear keeps them locked inside, paralyzed and unable to do anything about it.

The movie "6th sense" is a perfect example of somebody who is fearful (the boy).
It takes great courage to face one`s fears.


Both Mars in Cap and Moon in Aries seem to be rather signs of courage than fear?


What is a sign of fear in this particular chart then? I can`t see it in chart, so please tell me.

But, aside astrology, the amount of started threads alone suggests rather extroversion and courage?


Of course, I can be wrong - I`m only human

I just keep in mind the sentence "viewer discretion is advised".

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I see this chart as "damsel in distress". I'll indicate what I'm looking at.

Saturn sq. asc exactly - Saturn's angularity makes it a strong force in the life - in the 4th could be oppression from family influences. Virgo is also a reticent and retiring sign, and the added stress from Saturn may make one even more inhibited, second-guessing and pessimistic. Painful shyness comes to mind.

Libran Mercury sq. Neptune - Sensitivity, the balancing act of the mind may lead to vacillation, may find it hard to be decisive, Neptune confuses, dissolves, infuses fantasy, Neptune encourages imagination and decreases will.

Moon in 8th sq. Mars - Anxiety, over-reactivity of the adrenal system, fight-or-flight easily excited, quick to take offense, can be defensive.

Venus conj. Pluto in Scorpio - Stakes are high in any relationship, find it hard to be casual about relating, may be prone to feelings of abandonment. Self-defensive, suspicious, people need to be vetted before they "pass".

Pisces Jupiter in 7th - see thread. Lots of people trying to save him.

See where I'm coming from? This is how it seems to be manifesting in his situation. This is not to say that this is the only way that these placements *can* manifest.

Nothing can be done if its not the querent's true desire to change his behaviour.
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Pisces Jupiter in 7th - see thread. Lots of people trying to save him.
Yes, it`s really hard not to notice it. All efforts are futile. However, positive entropy of the thread starter is truly impressive.

So, is getting such a big support actually a proof of hatred and rejection???

Well, I`ve always thought it was rather the opposite - love and acceptance.

What If Jupiter was in 12th house, Leo?

Would he then make powerful enemies (instead of allies) , working behind the scenes to undermine, discredit and hurt or destroy him? Pretending to be friends/partners to mislead him and win his trust in order to make him suffer even more?
Do you think he would have other people help him commit suicide or something worse? With the same chart, Jupiter in 12th.
I`m just wondering, what difference it would make (if any), if it was possible.

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See where I'm coming from? This is how it seems to be manifesting in his situation. This is not to say that this is the only way that these placements *can* manifest.

Nothing can be done if its not the querent's true desire to change his behaviour.
EXACTLY. NO advice can help. There is no desire or motivation for change, if the situation is too comfortable to change it. Or is uncomfortable, but there`s a lot of attention and support because of the reported misery.
Support and attention without much effort feels really good and is probably profitable in other ways.
No struggle = no supporters ?

Or am I wrong?

IMO, He seems to be doing very well - he has interests like F1, owns a car, bike, has a job, friends, lives on his own, supports himself and is financially independent .
His family isn`t sick and/or dying one by one before his eyes [ and if so, he doesn`t share anything about it here for some reasons].

It doesn`t look like hell and misery to me. And like struggle in every possible area
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Re: Fear

Jupiter in the 12th wouldn't necessarily equate to negative 12th house outcomes, since it's also been connected to secret benefactors (guardian angels). Successful professional outcomes have also been correlated to the Gauquelin sectors of the chart, which happen to fall just behind the angles (in the cadent houses, 12th and 9th in particular)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_effect
http://www.astrology-and-science.com/g-hist2.htm
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Do you have a clear idea or goal you want to accomplish by creating these threads, Nightfall? What are they?
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Re: Fear

Nightfall's Sun (and my Sun) are currently opposed by the transit of Neptune.
No idea appears clear now.
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Jupiter in the 12th wouldn't necessarily equate to negative 12th house outcomes, since it's also been connected to secret benefactors (guardian angels).


Thank you for your reply and links, CT

OK, so Jupiter`s beneficial influence is more "visible" and expressed openly if it`s in 7th house.
I can see a good example of it here.

In 12th house it remains unexpressed, hidden, secretive, YET still beneficial?
Like what? Getting helpful PM`s instead of answers to one`s threads ?

Piesces corresponds to mundane 12th house and Jupiter rules Pisces, so he is at home in Piesces like a king in his castle.

In both cases Jupiter combines energies of 7th and 12th houses. Interesting. I need to explore this subject.






Do we consider SECT of the chart when we interpret certain chart aspects, e.g.:


If Nightfall`s chart was a day chart, would those abovementioned configurations (Mercury sextile Saturn, Venus conjunct Pluto and Moon square Mars, Saturn square AC, Jupiter conjunct DC) manifest differently?


And I can only read transits and I`m relatively inexperienced. But I can`t read natal charts. I can read and interpret only verbal information and paralingual cues plus emoticons. And these make rather "martian" than "saturnine" impression on me.
So I`m really confused with all this.

I`m trying to figure out, which aspects should be considered the most important.

Those involving planets in angular houses and/or chart angles?

If Chart ruler Mercury was in a different aspect to Saturn? Or Mars to Moon?


Would it make any difference?

I apologize for asking so many detailed questions, but I`m trying to understand certain nuances of Nightfall`s chart.
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Re: Fear

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I'm not attention seeker,nor i deny everyones advice,i just feel i can't help my self alone so far and repeating same things in same threads hoping reading a positive vibrate.



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You have Saturn on the base of your chart, exact on your angles.Shyness comes from fear and insecurity.Fear of being rejected, looking stupid, feeling so small you want to disappear, etc.
It gets easier when you start to feel more comfortable with yourself. It may not go away completely -- it's super hard to deal with.

The above reading is right or false?
I have exactly the same question


As far as I know, Saturn in the 1st house manifests just like the abovementioned delineation, because 1st house is the house of self. And nothing in this house can remain hidden, just like in 10th house.


In fourth house suggests Saturnine family or home to me. 4th house is family, home, roots, past, inner life etc. Inner life by definition is internal and rather hidden, than visible.



Doesn`t it make any difference to have Saturn conjunct AC or square AC from 4th house?

Because ANY delineation of Saturn in 4th house I ever read is different than the abovementioned

Please, explain it to me
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I have deleted the non-astrological posts with the exception of the OP's posts. If you feel you have reached the limit of your ability to give astrological advice to this person or are becoming frustrated with them for some reason do NOT post. When a person constantly posts astrological requests, it's normal to run out of astrological things to say and to want to try other means of motivation. When that happens, simply avoid this person's posts going forward and post astrological things somewhere ELSE. You can also put this person on "Ignore" so you aren't tempted to post your frustrations.

Back to astrology,

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Re: Fear

Nightfall,



if there's one thing that stands out in your chart, I would say that's it's your North Node (Rahu)-Moon being in the 8th house.


The Moon is our emotional mind, our sense of emotional well-being. It helps us to feel psychologically secure on an emotional level.


When the North-Node (Rahu) is in the same house as the Moon, it throws off our emotional grounding. With the placement, people can feel psychologically and emotionally stressed out to the extreme. Fears and self-doubt are amplified. Added to the fact that the Moon is in the 8th house, this causes further stress.


Here's my advice - look into Rahu-Moon effects through Vedic astrology. This will shed further light on this placement. There are also Moon and Rahu remedies as well. This can all be researched online.
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Re: Fear

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Will self doubts and insecurites fade away,go away at some point?
It really depends on your actions. First and foremost, I don't believe we're slaves to fate. Your chart shows natural hardship, but it can be significantly eased.



What I would do if I were in you're position is multi-faceted:


1 - I would avoid any kind of stimulants, or intoxicants (alcohol, coffee, tea etc.) Coffee can especially make people anxious if their moon is weak. It speeds up peoples' minds.



2 - You should develop a mindfulness practice. This can be meditation, yoga, deep breathing practices. When our minds are fast, and reckless, we develop fearful thoughts, self-doubts, etc. This is an example of the Moon being hurt by Rahu. Meditation, and other mindfulness practices counter excessive thought, fear, etc. Strengthen your moon by meditating.


3 - To help your nerves, I would recommend medicinal plants like Skullcap, Wood Betony, or Ashwagandha. You can buy these herbs/roots dried at various apothecaries. Also, you can consume omega-3 pills, coconut water, milk. All of these plants/herbs will help your stressed out mind (moon).


4 - As I wrote up above, Rahu and Moon mantras are very helpful for reducing difficult karma given by the planets. Youtube has plenty of videos on mantras.



These are the actions I would take if I were in your position. The key is to act. Remedies are key to reducing the problems.
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Some people seem to not sympathize me a lot and choose personal attacks,ironic posts or to say i have personality disorder.Thanx to Mod for cleaning these posts.

As you said: you experience "hate" everywhere and nobody "likes you", unless you meant something else

Your communication seems to be definitely ambiguous, to say the least.
I would suggest NOT utilizing those bing/google/Microsoft etc. "translation" services.
They create problems and distort the original meaning of a statement at the best of times.


Mercury, the trickster, square Neptune, the ambiguity

[took out personal attacks - Moderator]

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Re: Fear

The word "mediocre" belongs to C2 level vocabulary

C2 level means "fluent to native"


AND as a reminder - a citation from Forum rules:

"No () passive aggressively drawing people out to respond negatively.

Flaming, spamming, or trolling is basis for immediate banning from the forum. Please do not post angry messages (flaming), post the same message over and over across the forum or post non-astrological advertising (spamming), and do not post messages for the sole purpose of angering other people in the forum (trolling). "




I guess these rules somehow seem not to apply to you, Nightfall, since:

1. you`re so paralyzed by fear and struggling in every area
[except, I suppose, reading people`s minds]

2. your English is "mediocre".

so you`re allowed to break the rules because you apparently can neither fully understand what you read nor formulate your thoughts in English without being passive aggressive
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