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Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

I have been wondering why none of the twelve zodiac signs are birds? There are water creatures, mammals, humans and dead objects but no birds? i don't get it, it's like a very important symbolic part of the world has been left out. i know that the Scorpio also is referred to as the Eagle if it's a highly developed scorpio, but still...Why do you think no birds are represented?

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I don't get this forum either. Why doesn't this thread show?
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Beats me. Aquarius should be a bird, since we like to fly high! All we have instead is a skinny dude carrying water. So lame
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Beats me. Aquarius should be a bird, since we like to fly high! All we have instead is a skinny dude carrying water. So lame
Yes, but that is so apt for aquarians. You bring the primordial soup, the science that keeps us moving forward.
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LOL - Littereraly, for once!

But seriously, what's the lamest symbol? Cancer have really dense eyes. Looking kinda stupid.
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I have been wondering why none of the twelve zodiac signs are birds? There are water creatures, mammals, humans and dead objects but no birds? i don't get it, it's like a very important symbolic part of the world has been left out. i know that the Scorpio also is referred to as the Eagle ig it's a highly developed scorpio, but still...Why do you think no birds are represented?
Because they flew away
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Because they flew away
I really think it's weird though..Astrology being so influenced by symbols and all, I just don't get it. There's such a flaw to the circle of symbols. Maybe it's my Virgo rising that's making me feel at so unease about this, but it drives me nuts that there's not a frigging BIRD in the zodiac!
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Because all the birds were saved for the higher-up constellations like Aquila and Cygnus, which don't cross the ecliptic. That's just a guess, by the way.
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

Ancient and medieval astrological (and related alchemical) symbolism often used an Eagle to represent Scorpio.
Chinese astrology has a bird (Rooster) sign. Also there is a little known (but really important) methodology in Vedic astrology (especially in South India) which is called "Panchapaksi", meaning "the 5 birds", where these birds symbolize important "energy current flows" (ie, the tantric 5 elements) which play a significant role in prediction (the "paksi's" are: crow, rooster, vulture, peacock, owl)

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Ancient and medieval astrological (and related alchemical) symbolism often used an Eagle to represent Scorpio.
Chinese astrology has a bird (Rooster) sign. Also there is a little known (but really important) methodology in Vedic astrology (especially in South India) which is called "Panchapaksi", meaning "the 5 birds", where these birds symbolize important "energy current flows" (ie, the tantric 5 elements) which play a significant role in prediction (the "paksi's" are: crow, rooster, vulture, peacock, owl)
'Garuda' - a mythical bird ruling those born on any Sunday - is a Myanmar Burmese Zodiac Symbol as well as a Hindu and/or Buddhist bird deity
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What are you saying about the cancer symbol willis?!!!!!!!! Dense eyes? :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: What do you mean?! I agree though, the crab is lame I have no affinity to a crab I would rather be a griffin or magical unicorn something. Crabs are like anti emotional, dolphin maybe they seem emotional. They are capable of empathy.
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

Actually, if you've got Virgo rising.... look at some of the pictures of the constellations drawn during the Renaissance. Virgo is usually depected as a winged woman. She is one of the "bicorporeal" signs. Virgo in general rules birds although specific species or classes of birds may have different rulers.

Ancient astrologers who worked with constellations or fixed stars included those off the ecliptic, such as Cygnus (the swan) and Aquila (the eagle).

Also in ancient times, Cancer was sometimes depicted as the asterism Praesepe (the manger) with two burros on either side. To the Egyptians, Cancer was the scarab beetle, a symbol of eternal life.

A good book on this sort of thing is J. H. Allen, Star names: Their Lore and Meaning.
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Actually, if you've got Virgo rising.... look at some of the pictures of the constellations drawn during the Renaissance. Virgo is usually depected as a winged woman. She is one of the "bicorporeal" signs. Virgo in general rules birds although specific species or classes of birds may have different rulers.

Ancient astrologers who worked with constellations or fixed stars included those off the ecliptic, such as Cygnus (the swan) and Aquila (the eagle).

Also in ancient times, Cancer was sometimes depicted as the asterism Praesepe (the manger) with two burros on either side. To the Egyptians, Cancer was the scarab beetle, a symbol of eternal life.

A good book on this sort of thing is J. H. Allen, Star names: Their Lore and Meaning.
Wow, this sorts a lot out. Very interesting! To me this means birds actually were a part of the zodiac, which makes sense to me. The Virgo though, wouldn't you think it symbolizes an angel?


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What are you saying about the cancer symbol willis?!!!!!!!! Dense eyes? :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: What do you mean?! I agree though, the crab is lame I have no affinity to a crab I would rather be a griffin or magical unicorn something. Crabs are like anti emotional, dolphin maybe they seem emotional. They are capable of empathy.
Hahaha! No, I didn't mean cancerean girls, I meant the actual crab
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

Babylonian Zodiac.

Pisces -Shim mah "The Great Swallow."

Egyptian Planets.
Sun-Horus "Falcon"
Moon-"Ibis headed God.
Mercury-"Falcon with outstretched wings."
Venus- "Heron on Perch."
Mars- "Red Flamingo."
Jupiter/Saturn- "Falcons."

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I always associate the sign Libra with the Ostrich, which i consider it's animal equivalent seeing as it's the only sign not represented by an animal, unless you consider Aquarius an object and not a person (which I don't). Some might say Libra is the goddess Astraea, but I see her as Virgo the woman holding the scales, Libra.

Some people also associate Gemini with birds, talking ones especially.
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I associate Libra with Astraea. It really gets rid of the "Lazy Libra" thing. The Air triplicity is the only triplicity to have no animals in it.

Libra - Astraea/scales
Aquarius - Water-bearer
Gemini - Twins (human)

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Capricorn - Goat
Taurus - Bull
Virgo - Virgin (human)

Aries - Ram
Leo - Lion
Sagittarius - Centaur/human archer

Cancer - Crab
Scorpio - Scorpion (historically thought to be a mutilated crab)
Pisces - Fishes
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I associate Libra with Astraea. It really gets rid of the "Lazy Libra" thing. The Air triplicity is the only triplicity to have no animals in it.
Wrong, humans are animals and there are 3 depicted: Aquarius, usually a man and two young human twins in Gemini. I think the literal myth of Astraea was that she got so offended by human nature she went back to Heaven as the constellation Virgo holding her scales.

There are also not really any reptiles, though Scorpio can also be associated with the snake, and I've also heard a lizard. Astrotheme associates Libra with a lizard.
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Re: Why aren't there any birds among the signs?

Humans are animals, but they weren't to the people who invented the Zodiac.

Why would Libra be a lizard? Because they both start with L?

By the way, my Sun is conjunct Altair in Aquila. Scorpio would probably be the second most influential constellation (not sign) after Aquila unless Scorpio has more influence. The natures of the stars are too similar, never mind the symbolic depiction.

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what would be Hummingbirds. gemini possibly

quick, fast, they travel a LONG ways, like butterflies.
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Check out the little birdy back there. Ibis is supposed to be associated with Mercury/Hermes; from the Egyptian god Thoth.
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Yeah I relate birds to air signs for obvious reasons and eagle to the second stage of scorpio.. dove to the third.
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The sabian symbols divide the zodiac into incriments of one symbol for each of the 360 degrees. there are lots of symbols dealing with birds.

Here are some that come to mind. (Shortened versions from Dane Rudhyar's "An Astrological Mandala")

Gemini 23:

"THREE FLEDGLINGS IN A NEST HIGH IN A TREE.

KEYNOTE: The growth of spiritually creative processes in an at least relatively integrated mind."

Cancer 18:

"A HEN SCRATCHING THE GROUND TO FIND NOURISHMENT FOR HER PROGENY.

KEYNOTE: The practical concern with everyday nourishment necessary to sustain one's outreaching activities."

Leo 21:

"INTOXICATED CHICKENS DIZZILY FLAP THEIR WINGS TRYING TO FLY.

KEYNOTE: The often-negative and at times ludicrous first experience with spiritual teachings."

Leo 22:

"A CARRIER PIGEON FULFILLING ITS MISSION.

KEYNOTE: Spirituality, in terms of training for service to mankind."

Libra 26:

"AN EAGLE AND A LARGE WHITE DOVE CHANGE TO EACH OTHER.

EYNOTE: The interaction of the spiritual Will and of the Love principle when critical needs arise."

Sag 12:

"A FLAG TURNS INTO AN EAGLE; THE EAGLE INTO A CHANTICLEER SALUTING THE DAWN.

KEYNOTE: The spiritualization and promotion of great symbols of a New Age by minds sensitive to its precursory manifestations."

Sag 24:

"A BLUEBIRD PERCHED ON THE GATE OF A COTTAGE.

KEYNOTE: The reward which meets every effort at integrating into a social environment for those who remain true to their own selves."

Capricorn 10:

"AN ALBATROSS FEEDING FROM THE HAND OF A SAILOR.

KEYNOTE: The overcoming of fear and its rewards."

Aqua 20:

"A LARGE WHITE DOVE BEARING A MESSAGE.

KEYNOTE: The answer of spiritual agencies to thorough, sustained and victorious individual efforts."

There are plenty of other animals in the set of symbols as well, for instance virgo 16 has an orangutang and scorpio 23 has a rabbit.. etc.

to read the symbols in full go here: http://www.mindfire.ca/An%20Astrolog...20Contents.htm

Because the symbols read from 1-30 rather than 0-29, make sure to read the symbol for the next degree up. for instance a planet at 0.23 aries should be read as 1 aries, 1.07 as 2 aries, etc.

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I have been wondering why none of the twelve zodiac signs are birds? There are water creatures, mammals, humans and dead objects but no birds? i don't get it, it's like a very important symbolic part of the world has been left out. i know that the Scorpio also is referred to as the Eagle if it's a highly developed scorpio, but still...Why do you think no birds are represented?
I really don't think it matters. Different cultures used different animals in order to describe the primal energy used to represent these signs. So one culture might used a crab to represent cancer, but another culture might actually prefer a hermit. Maybe in other cultures they do have birds. All the animals in the zodiac represents primal energy that a normal human being can not readily achieve. Aquarius, Virgo and I think Gemini represent humanity specifically. Libra is an inanimate object meaning that it is a sign that reflects society or it's environment. Pisces can relate to humans and animals
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