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Does progressed Moon in 12th house deny success?

I`m wondering if the progressed Moon in 12th house (Leo) could significantly influence any success in the outer world?

I`m not sure, but it seems that 12th house pMoon can be good only for self undoing like drugs, depression, isolation, sleeping pills, self-harm, sickness, pain and a lack of any will to live.

Does 12th house pMoon make any efforts to change one`s status quo (=total isolation and depression) impossible to achieve?
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Re: Does progressed Moon in 12th house deny success?

I can say that based on experience, progressed Moon in the 12th has been one of the most industrious periods of my life. None of the things you've mentioned have been the dominant experience during this time, but it did begin with death of family members (Moon hit n.Pluto at 0 Sagittarius - one was literal death and the other was a cutting off) and exile. The progressed Moon is likely to add its flavour to other indications going on concurrently in the chart. Stated simply, it depends.
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Re: Does progressed Moon in 12th house deny success?

Thank you for your input You`re probably lucky enough not to have so many difficult experiences as far as 12th hs goes.

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The progressed Moon is likely to add its flavour to other indications going on concurrently in the chart. Stated simply, it depends.
Unfortunately, there are progressions and activated transits to 12th ruler. And it's not going to change anytime soon.
And there`s no death of the native on the horizon, either. And death would be the best case scenario right now, actually.
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To clarify, are you speaking about progressed Moon in the progressed 12th house, or progressed Moon in the natal 12th house?
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To clarify, are you speaking about progressed Moon in the progressed 12th house, or progressed Moon in the natal 12th house?
Progressed Moon in natal 12th house .
I`m not familiar with delineating progressed planets in progressed houses, so I can`t use them myself.
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Thank you for your input You`re probably lucky enough not to have so many difficult experiences as far as 12th hs goes.



Unfortunately, there are progressions and activated transits to 12th ruler. And it's not going to change anytime soon.
And there`s no death of the native on the horizon, either. And death would be the best case scenario right now, actually.
Well, if no will to live and self-harm are serious problems that the native is contending with, then death may very well be on the native's mental horizon.

My 12th house is ruled by a essentially and accidentally dignified Jupiter so I'm more likely to escape the more dire significations. Saying that though, there was a lot of hardship and difficulty with Saturn's massage through the 12th which resulted in a winnowing of everything that was on shaky ground - which means I was left with basically nothing to stand on after the "clearing" was completed. The 12th house p.Moon coincided with t.Saturn on ascendant - and so began my ascent from the bottom. There was also a lot of displacement and instability during the time.

It's been a challenging and difficult time, but it was met with a fighting spirit and a will-to-live. Which counts for a lot. I'm no longer under that progression personally.

Also, a very important progression going on during the time was p.Jupiter conjunct natal ascendant. Faith in self and a vision of the future that sustained me were elements that I had with me.
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there was a lot of hardship and difficulty with Saturn's massage through the 12th which resulted in a winnowing of everything that was on shaky ground - which means I was left with basically nothing to stand on after the "clearing" was completed. The 12th house p.Moon coincided with t.Saturn on ascendant - and so began my ascent from the bottom. There was also a lot of displacement and instability during the time.
It's been a challenging and difficult time, but it was met with a fighting spirit and a will-to-live. Which counts for a lot. I'm no longer under that progression personally.

Also, a very important progression going on during the time was p.Jupiter conjunct natal ascendant.
Right, Saturn is your 1st ruler, so the end effects of his transit in 12th were rather positive, since 1st hs lands in 3rd row of the transit grid.

However, the transit of Saturn in the 12th by itself isn`t exactly what brings people joy, generally.



Also, pJupiter to any natal point seems to be a major modifier, since outers make little progressions, if any.

I can`t see any mitigating factors in case of the native, so I`d rather not predict success to anything the native does while pMoon is in 12th. There`s no more time to wait or waste. No activity can bring desired change, so no activity should be undertaken, because it would lead to depletion of (already very limited) resources. Yet, no activity means more trouble and more solitary confinement, so it looks like a vicious cycle.

Leo only makes things worst, because Leo seems to be the opposite of 12th house

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Right, Saturn is your 1st ruler, so the end effects of his transit in 12th were rather positive, since 1st hs lands in 3rd row of the transit grid.
With placidus, my natal 12th house cusp is 0 Sagittarius. Ascendant is at 26 Sagittarius. The Saturn in 12th transit was not a joyful time, generally speaking. It was a time of threshing a la Saturn's role as exaltation of Libra. Regarding the positivity of Saturn in my chart, it's not that straightforward. Although Saturn is in sect, it's location in the 3rd house and afflicts the 3rd house ruler by square. This has resulted in Saturn "damaging" my siblings with one of them dying at childbirth due to undeveloped lungs (notice all the 3rd house sigs. piling up there) and another has a developmental disorder that has greatly restricted his speech.

Also, could you clarify what you meant by the bolded?

The 12th house progression was also a time of extremely restricted resources that called for a spartan lifestyle. During that time transiting Saturn was hovering around the ascendant. Even now I am currently still living with great frugality, and I don't see any change to that in the short term.

There is absolutely no options you have available that won't eat out your resources? What about options available on the internet?
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