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Do first house planets affect every area of life? Personal experiences, please!

A remark I saw in another thread brought up this question for me: if there's a planet in the first house, does it have a say over all areas of life, even if it's not the chart ruler?

Someone mentioned that Saturn in their first seemed to delay everything: their education, their career, entering a relationship, etc. I've tended to think of it as, the planet that rules the relevant house or is placed in it would have the most say, and planets not in or ruling a certain house (ninth for higher education, seventh for partnership, etc.) are going to be little evident if at all in that area of life. (That doesn't mean Venus has nothing to say about relationships if it's not involved in the seventh, and Sun isn't involved in some of everything, just that they won't have as strong an impact in the areas of life they're not directly involved in.)

But first house is self, and logically, would color every area of life. I don't have any first house planets myself, so I can't speak from experience on that.

For those of you who do have at least one planet in the first, do you see it coloring every area of life? Kind of as if it were ruling every house?

Edited to add: If you do not have any planets in your first house, you can't answer this question personally. Please do not post in this thread unless it's to share something you've learned from other people's personal experience with their first house planets: for example, a thread on this site about it, or your clients if you're a practicing astrologer and you've seen enough charts with first house planets to have a sense of how they play out in the clients' lives. Assertions about first house planets that are not backed up with personal experience are off topic for this thread.

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Not really, many people don't have a planet in their first house, I have to say the chart house sign's ruler planet (in my case, Cancer rising with the ruler, the Moon conjunct my sun in Aquarius) or the ascendant sign itself would have the biggest influence on our natal charts and in forecasting our daily horoscopes.
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Not really, many people don't have a planet in their first house, I have to say the chart house sign's ruler planet (in my case, Cancer rising with the ruler, the Moon conjunct my sun in Aquarius) or the ascendant sign itself would have the biggest influence on our natal charts and in forecasting our daily horoscopes.
That's not addressing the question I asked. I specifically asked about planets in the first house, NOT other placements that might be equivalent, and I'm asking specifically for answers based on personal experience. Only people who have at least one planet in their first house are qualified to answer. If you have any planets in your first house, please share your experience with that.
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TRADITIONALLY POSITION IS STRONGER THAN RULERSHIP
Again, I'm asking about personal experiences with first house planets. If you have any planets in your first house, please share your experience with that. If not, you can't give the kind of answer I'm looking for.
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I don't know how clearcut an answer I could possibly give, because depending on which of the most common methods of reading a chart one can use, I have anywhere from 2 to 5 planets in the 1st house.

Are you looking for a specific style of interpretation? I could give a more focused answer then.
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Are you looking for a specific style of interpretation? I could give a more focused answer then.
Whatever style of interpretation works for you, as long as it has some basis in personal experience. Which of those planets do you consider to be in your first house? Do you feel they affect every area of your life? Or not? Or unsure?

If you interpret them different ways as it catches your fancy, feel free to share that, too.
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Whatever style of interpretation works for you, as long as it has some basis in personal experience. Which of those planets do you consider to be in your first house? Do you feel they affect every area of your life? Or not? Or unsure?

If you interpret them different ways as it catches your fancy, feel free to share that, too.
I guess it's not a coincidence that I am currently experiencing a 1st house LR (as of a few hours ago)

I'm fine with the various interpretive styles. I'll just shorthand some of the styles and just do a general share of how I percieve the planetary action working in my life.

Whole sign/trad7 - Sun, Mars, Merc, Jup
Whole sign/mod10 - Sun, Mars, Merc, Jup, Plu
Placidus/trad7/5° rule - Jup, Mars, Ven
Placidus/mod10/no 5°rule - Mars, Ven, Nep

To keep it simple, I'll just focus on those planets that are close to the ascendant within 5° - Mars, Jupiter, and Venus.

I would say that yes the 1st house planets do have a general effect on the life, since they have direct bearing on the common denominator that's in all my experience i.e. myself. I would say that I bring to every aspect of my life a competitive & ambitious spirit, an interest in the "sociological" aspects of various groups/people I encounter (ongoing internal cultural/social commentary), a desire for understanding/knowledge, open-mindedness, and a can-do spirit. The combo of Venus/Mars + Jupiter (1st house ruler) makes it so that I am rarely conflicted when it comes to what I desire, and the path to achieving what I want seems to be less complicated than the norm - I know how to get out of my own way, and I have a decent ability to make my actions count. This ease between desire and action is taken into all spheres of life. A sense of autonomy and "personal power" is consistent, and isn't contingent on environmental factors. I also utilise the force of will, especially when the circumstances present more challenges and setbacks. In these various descriptions one could see the relevance of Jupiter, Mars or Venus, or a combination of those energies.
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CT, thanks for sharing!

I find it very interesting that not only do you feel your first house planets affect every area of your life, you attribute that entirely to what you do with those planets. Not to the planets acting on you, outside your control. A first house thing, too, perhaps?

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I have 5 planets in my first house so answering this question is very difficult. Sun, Mercury, Venus, Uranus, and Neptune With Neptune and Venus conjunct my ascendent and the south node.
I feel the presence of all of these forces in my life and who I am. I would say each planet brings another talent or touch. Some misfortunes as well, like Neptune.
Previous comment mentioned a sense of personal power, and I agree with this. I’ve always had a strong sense of inner strength, and I find power through each planet. It has been hard to pinpoint my identity.
If you have any questions about how this has impacted my life feel free to ask (:

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I have Neptune in Libra in the first house in most quadrant house systems (late degree of Virgo rising.)

I don't think it affects every aspect of my life.

With the example you gave of someone feeling Saturn affected most things in her life, I wonder how Saturn is aspected, or what Saturn rules as house cusp lord. There's probably more going on.

With people with a first house stellium, this effect would be even more so: the lords of many house cusps would refer back to the first house.

I think Neptune in the first house can confer a fruitless lifelong identity quest. Not necessarily a severe crisis, just the feeling that-- because you can't tell how others perceive you-- you aren't sure who you are, yourself.

Consequently, in person, I am often a people-pleaser, trying to put on the persona I think the people I encounter want to see. You wouldn't know it from my posts on this forum, however, because the first house doesn't show up clearly when on-line.

Neptune in the first house has an illusory quality. Sometimes in a big gathering where I didn't know many people, I would feel like the invisible disappearing woman. I've been told I am really nice. At other times, I've been told I am "pushy" or even "threatening" to men. Well, which am I?

Ca. 1990, I entered a Dark Night of the Soul, which led to a long identity quest through astrology. I never did learn why I was on the planet, but in the process of trying to find out, I learned a lot of astrology, which subsequently became helpful in reading charts for other people. One day it occurred to me, that with Neptune in the first house, I was probably never going to find out who I am. Just when I think I've got something solid, Neptune dissolves it or moves the goal posts.

Neptune's mantra is "Not that! Not that!"

Neptune is not badly aspected in my chart, thankfully; so I think it can contribute to a rich imagination.

I still don't know how I am, but am no longer so much concerned with it.
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My first house was empty until my progressed Uranus decided to take up residence there.

Would I say it's running the show now? No. Does it have an obvious hand in the way I approach people and things, and has it affected other areas of my life now? Absolutely!

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With the example you gave of someone feeling Saturn affected most things in her life, I wonder how Saturn is aspected, or what Saturn rules as house cusp lord. There's probably more going on.
In that case, Saturn did not rule the seventh, ninth, or tenth house, and did not have the kind of aspects that would make me expect delay in all those areas. Maybe an aspect to one or two of the planets I would expect to be involved (rulers for those houses, Venus, Jupiter, etc.), but not to all of them, which was why I was surprised there was so much delay.

I wonder if your Neptune experience, or lack of it, has to do with Neptune not being in your first house whole sign, and/or not being that close to the ascendant. Do you think it has much effect on second house things for you? Or can you tell? (Never can tell with elusive, shadowy Neptune, really!)
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My first house was empty until my progressed Uranus decided to take up residence there.

Would I say it's running the show now? No. Does it have an obvious hand in the way I approach people and things, and has it affected other areas of my life now? Absolutely!
Do you mean secondary progression or solar arc progression?

If you're talking about secondary progressed Uranus, the only way it could have entered your first house during your lifetime is if it's at your ascendant in your natal chart. That arguably makes it a first house planet to begin with, even if it's on the twelfth house side.
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I have 5 planets in my first house so answering this question is very difficult. Sun, Mercury, Venus, Uranus, and Neptune With Neptune and Venus conjunct my ascendent and the south node.
I feel the presence of all of these forces in my life and who I am. I would say each planet brings another talent or touch. Some misfortunes as well, like Neptune.
Previous comment mentioned a sense of personal power, and I agree with this. I’ve always had a strong sense of inner strength, and I find power through each planet. It has been hard to pinpoint my identity.
If you have any questions about how this has impacted my life feel free to ask (:
Obviously, these planets are at play in your first house topics! Do you feel they also have a strong affect on other areas of your life--relationships, career, home, education, etc--even if they don't rule the pertinent houses?
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In that case, Saturn did not rule the seventh, ninth, or tenth house, and did not have the kind of aspects that would make me expect delay in all those areas. Maybe an aspect to one or two of the planets I would expect to be involved (rulers for those houses, Venus, Jupiter, etc.), but not to all of them, which was why I was surprised there was so much delay.

I wonder if your Neptune experience, or lack of it, has to do with Neptune not being in your first house whole sign, and/or not being that close to the ascendant. Do you think it has much effect on second house things for you? Or can you tell? (Never can tell with elusive, shadowy Neptune, really!)
I'm not sure Saturn would be the only indicator of delay. By transit, sure; but I think it would play out differently in the natal.

I sometimes use whole signs, as I think they have interpretive value, but normally Placidus seems like a good fit.

Generally in life, my money and "stuff" have worked out reasonably well (knock on wood.) I would anticipate more problems with money if Neptune were in the second, as it squares Jupiter (5 degree orb) and this is an aspect of "biting off more than one can chew," or "if a little is good, a lot is better." I would probably do more over-spending with the optimistic belief that "something will turn up." With Neptune in the first, during my working life I definitely tried to take on too much, sometimes imagining that my skill set and experience was greater than it was.

Regardless, a second house Libra cusp would put me in a Venus loop, and my Aquarian Venus makes a wide trine to Neptune (7 degrees.)

I think looking at aspects would be important if a first house planet seems to dominate someone's life to a major extent.

Some astrologers believe that the hardest, closest aspect in a chart is the major theme in a person's life. In my case that would be Saturn and Pluto opposite sun. They're both wide, but the opposite midpoint is pretty close to exact. They've been much more to deal with than Neptune, in my experience.
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Whether or not this actually answers your question, I must say that the ASC sign and the planets in the first house ''affect'' for lack of a better word, one's ''personality'' as all the angular houses represent both identity and personality in some way.

So you will project your entire first house (the ASC and planets close to the ASC) thru your personality. Indefinitely.

However: two things: actually three things.....first: the progressed Moon will at one time or another enter your first house....after conjuncting your ASC. It will make a lot of aspects as it progresses this house. Next: Transits....the heavier the planet, the longer it lasts in the first house, the more it ''modifies'' the personality and all first house subjects. Three: the ASC itself progresses.....so THIS will eventually change or
''modify'' one's personality and therefore the way you perceive the world and the way the world sees you.

Change is always happening. So the answer is both YES and NO....it is always your ASC and a planet near it will always be part of who you are (identity) and the way you naturally interact with the world....and NO....because it is always modifying as you grow older and hopefully wiser and more conscious.

The ASC is the ''mirror''. When you can see yourself clearly you will understand how you interact with the outside world. But that doesn't mean you can ''consciously'' change your instinctive reactions! Ironic, huh?

More ironic is that your authentic ''self'' and your ASC personality identity may or may not be, in themselves, compatible!!

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Whether or not this actually answers your question, I must say that the ASC sign and the planets in the first house ''affect'' for lack of a better word, one's ''personality'' as all the angular houses represent both identity and personality in some way.

So you will project your entire first house (the ASC and planets close to the ASC) thru your personality. Indefinitely.

However: two things: actually three things.....first: the progressed Moon will at one time or another enter your first house....after conjuncting your ASC. It will make a lot of aspects as it progresses this house. Next: Transits....the heavier the planet, the longer it lasts in the first house, the more it ''modifies'' the personality and all first house subjects. Three: the ASC itself progresses.....so THIS will eventually change or
''modify'' one's personality and therefore the way you perceive the world and the way the world sees you.

Change is always happening. So the answer is both YES and NO....it is always your ASC and a planet near it will always be part of who you are (identity) and the way you naturally interact with the world....and NO....because it is always modifying as you grow older and hopefully wiser and more conscious.

The ASC is the ''mirror''. When you can see yourself clearly you will understand how you interact with the outside world. But that doesn't mean you can ''consciously'' change your instinctive reactions! Ironic, huh?

More ironic is that your authentic ''self'' and your ASC personality identity may or may not be, in themselves, compatible!!

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I can see where having my Merc/Mars Conjunction in Placidus H12 described my first 21 years. But, upon the death of my very protective father, that no longer worked for me. I now can only describe my personality using Whole-sign Houses, which moves them into H1, apropos to my having had to take personal charge of my own life. It was a very rough transition, and took about a year to complete.

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Osamenor, I just recalled that in whole signs houses, my Libra Neptune would move to the second house, but then my Virgo Saturn would move from the 12th into the first house.

It would be interesting to learn, with your project, whether the house system makes a difference in how a first house planet operates.

My Placidus and whole signs charts are very different, due to a late degree of Virgo rising. For one thing, my Aquarian sun, Mercury, and Venus move from the 5th to the 6th house.

If I play it the whole signs way, Saturn has affected my physical appearance. As you know, Saturn rules the hard tissues of the body, like bones and teeth. As a kid, every adult tooth in my mouth came in crooked, so I wore serious orthodontics for about 6 years. Then all four wisdom teeth were impacted.

I've had round shoulders and poor posture most of my life. Somehow standing up strait, shoulders back, &c, just never seemed natural. (I think this ran in my family, however, as my dad and brother were the same way; but not my mother or sister.)

I've had osteoarthritis for many years.

I think many aspects of my personality are Saturnine; but this might also be due to Saturn opposite my Aqua sun and Pisces Mars. Natally Saturn opposite sun is wide (10 degrees) and out-of-sign, but a sun opposite Saturn is always retrograde. By progression, Saturn is now in late Leo, so definitely opposite sun at this stage of life.

Due to my age (71) and concern over whether I've really contributed enough to other people during my life, Saturn has become more of a constant nagging voice in the back of my head. ("Do more for others! Do it better!") As the 6th house symbolizes the principle of service, this might be an argument for whole signs.

Maybe there's a stronger case to be made for Saturn as a first house planet running many aspects of my life. But I view Saturn as my wisest teacher.

I read somewhere that Saturn tends to reward his pupils later in life. All things considered, I think that's true.
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Do you mean secondary progression or solar arc progression?

If you're talking about secondary progressed Uranus, the only way it could have entered your first house during your lifetime is if it's at your ascendant in your natal chart. That arguably makes it a first house planet to begin with, even if it's on the twelfth house side.
Secondary. Uranus is in my first house now and my third house in my natal chart unless I use the whole house system or perhaps some other house system that moves it into another house. (Not that you asked, but I've been using Placidus to study charts.)

How did you come to that conclusion about Uranus being in my 12th or close to my ascendant?
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A remark I saw in another thread brought up this question for me: if there's a planet in the first house, does it have a say over all areas of life, even if it's not the chart ruler?

Someone mentioned that Saturn in their first seemed to delay everything: their education, their career, entering a relationship, etc. I've tended to think of it as, the planet that rules the relevant house or is placed in it would have the most say, and planets not in or ruling a certain house (ninth for higher education, seventh for partnership, etc.) are going to be little evident if at all in that area of life. (That doesn't mean Venus has nothing to say about relationships if it's not involved in the seventh, and Sun isn't involved in some of everything, just that they won't have as strong an impact in the areas of life they're not directly involved in.)

But first house is self, and logically, would color every area of life. I don't have any first house planets myself, so I can't speak from experience on that.

For those of you who do have at least one planet in the first, do you see it coloring every area of life? Kind of as if it were ruling every house?

Edited to add: If you do not have any planets in your first house, you can't answer this question personally. Please do not post in this thread unless it's to share something you've learned from other people's personal experience with their first house planets: for example, a thread on this site about it, or your clients if you're a practicing astrologer and you've seen enough charts with first house planets to have a sense of how they play out in the clients' lives. Assertions about first house planets that are not backed up with personal experience are off topic for this thread.

Interesting topic, Osamenor! I have Virgo rising with Saturn conjunct South Node in the first house. My inclination is to answer in this way - I think the South Node has been an overwhelmingly big influence and because Saturn is conjunct it, it too, has been a huge influence. However, many people would say that about SN no matter what sign or house it is in. I do not feel that Saturn has delayed everything. I went to college right out of high school. I got a degree and went to work immediately. I knew early in life what I was interested in and went for it. I have not felt that Saturn in the first has "delayed everything" like the person you referred to. Relationships are another story, but I'm an independent Aries and I don't think my first house planet has much to do with my preferring to be alone a lot. Saturn probably contributes, but there are most certainly other influences.

For me, Saturn in the first house has felt like an inhibitor of physical activity. Virgo is a very mental sign, ruled by Mercury - and I have other things like a Sag Moon in an inward house (conjunct IC) that makes me a thinker - so I attribute Saturn as contributing to making me less inclined to be physically active. I'd rather sit and play piano, read or write, or do astrology. I was an active kid, but I lost the desire to be active as I matured. I have a lot of fire planets in inward houses and as I sit, I feel greatly energized - as if I'm being active. If Saturn didn't help inhibit physical activity, I wouldn't be able to meditate for 12 hours. I can sit and feel energized all day.

I feel my Sun, Moon and ASC fairly equally. I'm aware of how I do each. I have identified myself from an early age (teen) as a metaphysician with Sun, Mars and Mercury in Aries in the 8th and Moon in philosopher Sag in 4th. I do a lot of analyzing to understand with the Virgo rising and I do enjoy helping and teaching. So in my case, these planets did form the core of who I am.

I feel like the South Node/Saturn has been something that has needed evolving. I've needed to work on the negative Virgo stuff and turn it into positive Virgo in order to progress in life. Over time, I succeeded. It did take a long time - and maybe that is part of Saturn's role there in the first, conjunct SN. Maybe it helped me mature Virgo. Saturn put a focus there and focus on it I did. But I have been far more identified with the Sun/Mars/Mercury and Moon. I do identify with Virgo and it is definitely a part of me, but the South Node wounds - I never felt were the real me. They felt like wounds that were meant to be healed and that's how I saw them, even before astrology gave me a language to talk about it

My opinion - I don't think we can GENERALLY say that a first house planet will have an overwhelming presence and power over the whole life or chart. I can see it in some cases - especially when Sun, Moon or the ruler of the chart are there in the first. I think it's probably a case by case thing. In my opinion, lots of people seem to blame a planet for how they feel probably because they want to blame something for it. It's a thing these days for people to blame a planet.

I've been on a thread in another group where a woman blames her Mercury R on everything. It is in close conjunction to her Gemini ASC and is at a powerful 29 degrees 47 minutes of arc, and the ruler of her chart. Mercury stationed the day before she was born. She has ADD and a learning disability similar to dyslexia. Well, yes, that's one powerful Mercury. But it isn't just Mercury she could blame. Sun, Moon and Jupiter are in Gemini in the 12th for instance, and Jupiter is 7 degrees from the ASC. Uranus trines her Mercury from Aquarius 8th house - and in my opinion, is a big player in her ADD. There are plenty of people with ADD whose Mercury is aspected by Uranus in other signs and houses. That it is on her ASC probably makes it more painful to her - as she would be more aware of how it affects her in the social world. It's in her face. It's also so close to Cancer that it probably makes her ultra-sensitive. Cancer must be considered the co-ASC.

Anyway, case by case. The whole chart is Self. First house is more about the physical self - and where the self meets the world at birth. It is the battleground, so to speak - how we navigate the social world, where most of us suffer in one way or the other.
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Secondary. Uranus is in my first house now and my third house in my natal chart unless I use the whole house system or perhaps some other house system that moves it into another house. (Not that you asked, but I've been using Placidus to study charts.)
If your natal Uranus is in the third house, it's impossible for your progressed Uranus to be in the first, because....
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How did you come to that conclusion about Uranus being in my 12th or close to my ascendant?
By secondary progression, Uranus cannot move more than a few degrees in a person's lifetime, even a very long one. Progressed Uranus is always very close to natal Uranus. The only way it can change houses during the native's life is if it's very close to the cusp to begin with.
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It would be interesting to learn, with your project, whether the house system makes a difference in how a first house planet operates.
Or the sign placement, at any rate. If it's in the same sign as the ascendant, is that different from first house but different sign? Would the difference disappear if, say, the ascendant is at 29 degrees of its sign and the first house planet is at degree 0 of the next--conjunct the ascendant but out of sign?

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If I play it the whole signs way, Saturn has affected my physical appearance. As you know, Saturn rules the hard tissues of the body, like bones and teeth. As a kid, every adult tooth in my mouth came in crooked, so I wore serious orthodontics for about 6 years. Then all four wisdom teeth were impacted.

I've had round shoulders and poor posture most of my life. Somehow standing up strait, shoulders back, &c, just never seemed natural. (I think this ran in my family, however, as my dad and brother were the same way; but not my mother or sister.)

I've had osteoarthritis for many years.
If that's a Saturn in the first effect, it must be even stronger than Saturn as ascendant ruler! I have Capricorn rising, and I've never had any of those problems except impacted wisdom teeth. As a child, I had some inability to stand up straight, but that was due to dyspraxia, not bones. I don't have Saturn in the first, though.

And if you've got Saturn in the 12th house Placidus, that's its house of joy. Strengthening factor.
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I can see where having my Merc/Mars Conjunction in Placidus H12 described my first 21 years. But, upon the death of my very protective father, that no longer worked for me. I now can only describe my personality using Whole-sign Houses, which moves them into H1, apropos to my having had to take personal charge of my own life. It was a very rough transition, and took about a year to complete.
It seems to me that if a planet is in the twelfth house but the same sign as the ascendant, it's something to bring into consciousness and into the real world over the course of a lifetime. Was this conjunction operating out of sight until you were 21, and then became much more tangible for you?

I once read for someone who had a twelfth house stellium in the same sign as her ascendant, and she felt her life was very much about bringing the unknown to light.
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It seems to me that if a planet is in the twelfth house but the same sign as the ascendant, it's something to bring into consciousness and into the real world over the course of a lifetime. Was this conjunction operating out of sight until you were 21, and then became much more tangible for you?

I once read for someone who had a twelfth house stellium in the same sign as her ascendant, and she felt her life was very much about bringing the unknown to light.
Good chance to ask your view concerning Yods. My Mercury/Mars Conjunction in Pisces rising above my Piscean Asc is 2 degrees apart, with a Yod base at Neptune and Pluto 1 degree difference, pointing right at the center of the Merc/Mars conj.
This might have focused my attention on the Conjunction. But I was definitely more twelfth house before I was 21, in addition to a Moon/Venus conj in Aqua, which stays in H12 regardless of house system.
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