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Trump chart sidereal analysis



Without Lot and degree setting according to Vettius Valens:

Leo ascendant, ruler Sun [Father] at X Taurus [Property/Financial gains] AND supported by detriment Virgo Jupiter at II [but rather powerful retrograde]. It's all from angular house. Jupiter might be retrograde BUT it's planet ruler [Gemini Mercury] is very direct movement at XI.

Conclusion: property/financial gain from the Father [Sun Taurus at X] in massive expansion [Virgo Jupiter retrograde at II] from Donald Trump's intelligence [Mercury Gemini Domicile at XI].


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Sun opposite Scorpio Moon at IV. His father marrying a slave/low social background mother. In the term with malefic Mars at I to the Moon at IV, may indicate secret sexual atraction to the family members.
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Sorry. I don't use Chiron, asteroids, imaginary planets...
If you use Chiron, I assume it could be a rim planet.




I'm trying to figure out how to load Trump's chart into this piece....Help?


Trumps chart is viewable online at numerous sites
and is validation of
observing effects of FIXED STARS

Trump has powerful FIXED STARS conjunct natal chart angles

for example:

Trumps MARS on Ascendant
is ALSO conjunct powerful fixed star REGULUS - THE KINGMAKER

REGULUS RISING WITH MARS = Honor
fame
strong character
as well as
public prominence
and
high military command

Trump is now COMMANDER IN CHIEF of The United States of America


THE FIXED STARS IN NATAL ASTROLOGY http://constellationsofwords.com/cat...atalrobson.htm


SIDEREAL ASTROLOGER Kenneth Bowser correctly in May 2016
predicted a Trump victory
http://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/trump-news


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The Trump nativity would have been called
"An Imperial Horosocope"
by the court astrologers of the Roman emperors
(prior to the 4th century CE)


CURTIS MANWARING on Trump

'....Donald Trump's ascendant is right on the fixed star Regulus
which is significant for royalty and a tendency to rise in life.
Robert Schmidt of PROJECT HINDSIGHT said many years ago that
the word for angle used in the Hellenistic texts is "kentron"
which has two meanings:
one is to be a center of activity upon which something revolves around
(why it's translated as "pivot" in some cases)

and the other is to operate as a sort of goad

or cattle prod.....' http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-f...ction2016.html





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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP

has powerful FIXED STARS

conjunct natal chart angles


FIXED STAR REGULUS CONJUNCT ASCENDANT brings
Great honor and wealth

but
violence and trouble

victory over enemies

and
scandal.

The 145th Consideration of Guido Bonnets is as follows: -

" That thou see in Diurnal Nativities whether Cor Leonis be in the Ascendant
this alone signifies that the Native shall be a person of great note and power
too much exalted
, and attain to high preferment and honors
although descended from the meanest parents." Robson

keep in mind then

effects of REGULUS are augmented
since Trumps father was a multi millionaire

Influence of fixed stars differs from that of planets
in being much more dramatic, sudden and violent
fixed stars may elevate from poverty to the extreme height of fortune or vice versa
whereas the planets do not do so.

It may be taken as a fairly well-established rule that the stars do not operate alone
except perhaps in those cases where they are situated on angles
and that their chief effect is transmitted by the planets.

They seem to form an underlying basis upon which the horoscope is built
and if a planet falls upon a star its effect is greatly magnified
giving it a prominence in the life
that is quite unwarranted by its mere position
and aspects in the map
http://constellationsofwords.com/cat...atalrobson.htm


FIXED STAR REGULUS is a force to be reckoned with
so far and against formidable opposition
President-elect Donald Trump remains on course
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Re: Planetary patterns -- the bowl

Curtis Manwaring of astrology-x-files states as follows

Trump was born a few hours before a lunar eclipse.
In a leader's chart, the Moon represents the people
and in Trumps chart it represents the 12th house of enemies.
I think one of the reasons Trump has advanced so much
is because the sign that weighs him down
(the 12th sits on top of the first)
the most is Cancer
and the ruler is swallowed up by the south node
(SN represents what's leaving this world).
This means that one way or another
he has a knack for overcoming his enemies.
It's also a bad sign at the end
because the Moon represents the people
which suggests that he ends up as an enemy of the people
because the people are swallowed up by his power.
Moon also suggests that the people will eventually lead to his demise if elected
or vice versa.
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Re: Planetary patterns -- the bowl

interestingly
Mike, a moderator over on skyscript advises that
we need to examine the nativity
to see if the chart has the seeds of greatness or eminence.
Clearly, Trump is already a highly successful CEO and media personality.
But does he have the makings of modern 'Kingship' or the Presidency?


Lets start with a classic hellenistic approach to eminence
set out by Ptolemy in the Tetrabiblos (Book III, Ch 5) .
A positive is that both luminaries are in masculine signs here.
By whole sign the luminaries are in the fortunate 11th and 5th
but are angular by sign division.

Trump's angular Mars rising is very intriguing.
The problem with Trump's Mars is that it is strongly out of sect
and therefore according to Valens likely to bring instability, dramatic reversals of fortune
and strong opposition.
Its in a day chart, in a masculine sign and is occidental of the Sun.
Its also out of sect by hemisphere in a day chart being above the horizon.

Curtis Manwaring made a comparison to Bill Clinton's chart in predictive terms
and it is interesting that natally both Bill Clinton and Trump
have a strongly out of sect Mars rising in a day chart.
This clearly didn't prevent Bill Clinton becoming President twice!
But of course Clinton was Libra rising.

Trump Mars is still out of sect
but if anything even more out of sect than Bill Clinton's
since it is above the horizon in the day.
Nevertheless one crucial difference between these two chart's
is the placement of Mars by bound (Egyptian)
Unlike Bill Clinton, the bound ruler of Trump's ASC is Mars!
Moreover, Mars is received by the Sun from an effective house
and forms a sextile to it.
Hence Trump has a very evident pugnacious demeanour.
While Mars is his malefic out of sect
its bound rulership

seems to give him the ability to make this Mars work for him.
Its out of sect nature makes his style abrasive
and visibly aggressive

but it can be nonetheless effective
as we have seen in the Republican debates.

Trump has successfully tapped into an undercurrent of popular resentment and anger
many Americans feel towards the Obama administration
and the post-recession climate.
By house rulership Trump's Mars is ruling the 9th and 4th houses.
his comment on restricting Muslims (9th house)
has generated International attention and controversy.
A petition was signed by 500,000 people in the UK
proposing that Trump be denied entry to the UK
which was debated in the UK Parliament.
Trump seems to positively thrive on such opposition and controversy.
Of course the 9th is also foreign countries
so the possibility of Trump being involved in a foreign war seems high.
His relatively luke warm religious views
are well reflected in his having a malefic Mars ruling the 9th.
As for 4th house issues
Trump has of course emphasized rebulding American greatness and national pride.
But at the same time he has taken a very tough stance on Mexican immigration
and proposed the building of a wall along the Mexican-American border

which is currently causing a partial government shutdown
relevant to funding issues
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President Trump President of US
married twice
father of three sons, two daughters
and is a billionaire

ONE WONDERS WHY THEN
WITH SUCH A LACK OF EARTH
DONALD TRUMP IS A BILLIONAIR REAL ESTATE MOGUL

however
THAT IS DONALD TRUMPS TROPICAL ASSESSMENT

Sidereal astrologer Kennth Bowser
famously successfully predicted Trumps win
and
subsequent election as 45th President of US
Kenneth Bowser remarks that Trumps Sidereal natal

".....is a virtual clinic on the power of the fixed signs
the strongest of the four qualities.
He has the Sun in Taurus opposite Moon in her fall in Scorpio.
Leo rises with Regulus, the alpha (brightest) star in Leo.
Regulus appeared on New York horizon in the east
less than five and a half minutes before Trump was born.

Trump's SIDEREAL Sun is in Taurus, the exaltation sign of the Moon.
Taureans and Cancerians are often attracted to real estate - Trump’s specialty
- handed to him by his father -
because land and buildings are such good and mostly safe investments...."
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoc.../#599ba5457ffa

Stop saying I went bankrupt. I never went bankrupt but like many great business people have used the laws to corporate advantage—smart! -

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...34068050108416

In hindsight wealth is in my opinion indicated by the II and VIII places and their rulers exceptional placement, reinforced by Regulus rising and the place of the father and its ruler (Sun to Jupiter - Sagittarius), and the overall distinction of the nativity (Syzygy, Luminaries and Lot being angular in particular).

Furthermore, the ruler of the Lot is operative in his own bound and in the sign of Mercury who is in his domicile, in the bound of Venus in XI. To quote Ptolemy for the ruler of the Lot being powerful - ''Saturn brings riches through building, or agriculture, or shipping ventures'
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Surely ''take-charge'' has to do with Leo - Regulus Rising and Mars on the Ascendant?

And what you suggest is that everyone born that day and the day before would be feminine because he has earth and water signs for the Lights?

''Leo is masculine, the house of the sun, free, fiery, temperate, intellectual, kingly, stable, noble, upward-trending, changeable, solid, governing, civic, imperious, irascible, Men born under this sign are distinguished, noble, steady, just, haters of evil, independent, haters of flattery, beneficent, inflated with their lofty thoughts. If the houseruler is at an angle or in aspect with benefics, then brilliant, glorious individuals are born, tyrants and kings... The first 6 of Leo belong to Jupiter: experienced, masculine, imperious and in general having leadership qualities, active, eminent, with no mean traits.'' - Valens Book I, Riley - http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf

Both Lights are at an angle and in aspect with benefics, but they are also square Mars in sidereal. Surely has to do separation, conflicts and not satisfying everyone, but I wonder if it will have a greatly negative impact on his country. I do not claim that works well for him, it is the opposite.

Mars is not currently Time Lord through circumambulation of the Predominator through the bounds nor is he Time Lord through Annual Profections in either sidereal or tropical. Of course other methods may show Mars activated. And I do think that if something bad is indicated, it is going to come from this.

Btw, Venus is not conjunct Saturn in sidereal. But I do think Venus is the worst placed planet in the nativity, because it is inoperative in XII and in the bound of Mars. And this surely makes those Martian traits more prominent, not to mention this is never good for marriage or advancement through women. I do think her strength is somewhat mitigated by the angularity of her rulers though, but only her strength, not nature, also she is direct and not under the beams. All stars are direct and visible in this chart.

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I highly recommend people read what Ptolemy actually has to say on wealth and occupation.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...los/4A*.html#2

But I will recommend one use a Babylonian zodiac.

salient extract relative to President Trump SIDEREAL TAURUS SUN
from THE ANTHOLOGY by Vettius Valens

'......TAURUS is productive of order, earthy, energetic
indicative of estates and possessions.
Men born
under this sign are noble, energetic, toilsome
good at keeping things
pleasure-loving, music-loving, generous.
If benefics incline toward this place
or if the houseruler is favorably situated
men become those judged worthy of crowns
of monuments and statues
and distinguished and
brilliant individuals.....'
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/vettius%20valens%20entire.pdf
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The topic is "planetary patterns".
topic was posted on General Astrology board
and planetary patterns are made up of ASPECTS
ASPECTS comments on thread obviously form part of the discussion
HOWEVER
a moderator has now created a new thread
and the topic is now TRUMP CHART ANALYSIS
as re-titled by moderator
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Re: Planetary patterns -- the bowl

The question has been raised, why has Trump made his fortune in real estate when his horoscope lacks Earth?

The absence of an element in a chart creates a negative preponderance similar to the more commonly recognized positive preponderance.

Here are some traits typical of a negative Earth preponderance:

The native seeks to check and reward (or punish) the reliability of those around him. He tends to order and re-order the things with which he must deal. Although he may not be exceptionally practical, he has an eye open to the availability and potential usefulness of whatever comes to his attention.
He may be impatient of trifles, or contrariwise become involved in unimportant matters (mmicromanagement). This same trait may confer the ability to see beyond confusing trivialities. There can be a certain callousness in sacrificing living actualities to some impossible perfection.

This does not satisfy the question.

We see the Moon in the 4th (Placidus) sextile Rx Jupiter, lord of 8th, in the 2nd. The 2nd cusp is well within earthy Virgo, and apart from the Asc itself the 1st house is Virgoan..ruler Mercury in Cancer sign of lands and homes. Venus conjuncts earthy Saturn, lord of the substantial and tangible.

And his upbringing and inheritance were centered on housing. It's what he knew. And a large part of his inherited wealth was in real estate.

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The question

has been raised, why has

Trump made his fortune in real estate
when his horoscope lacks Earth?

The absence of an element in a chart creates a negative preponderance similar to the more commonly recognized positive preponderance.

Here are some traits typical of a negative Earth preponderance:

The native seeks to check and reward (or punish) the reliability of those around him. He tends to order and re-order the things with which he must deal. Although he may not be exceptionally practical, he has an eye open to the availability and potential usefulness of whatever comes to his attention.
He may be impatient of trifles, or contrariwise become involved in unimportant matters (mmicromanagement). This same trait may confer the ability to see beyond confusing trivialities. There can be a certain callousness in sacrificing living actualities to some impossible perfection.

This does not satisfy the question.

We see the Moon in the 4th (Placidus) sextile Rx Jupiter, lord of 8th, in the 2nd. The 2nd cusp is well within earthy Virgo, and apart from the Asc itself the 1st house is Virgoan..ruler Mercury in Cancer sign of lands and homes. Venus conjuncts earthy Saturn, lord of the substantial and tangible.

And his upbringing and inheritance were centered on housing.

It's what he knew. And a large part of his inherited wealth was in real estate.
that's the Tropical perspective
interestingly

President Trump has a SIDEREAL TAURUS SUN

and
- from THE ANTHOLOGY by Vettius Valens


'......TAURUS is productive of order, earthy, energetic
indicative of estates and possessions.
Men born
under this sign are noble, energetic, toilsome
good at keeping things
pleasure-loving, music-loving, generous.
If benefics incline toward this place
or if the houseruler is favorably situated
men become those judged worthy of crowns
of monuments and statues
and distinguished and
brilliant individuals.....'
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
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I need to add that Trump Ascendant is Leo
So, the main theme of his life is the Sun
It is rather powerful, his Sun sit comfortably at X
More specifically striving for political powers


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Perhaps it would give a better fit yo describe Sun in 10th as "issues dealing with authority and public position" rather than "striving for political power". Trump was never directly involved in politics until he was about 70 years old. The presidency was simply the golden plum on the highest branch.

Trump sees himself as King by Divine Right and has dynastic aims.
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Ms Greybeard

Thanks for your input. Could describing Trump's chart tropically?
Siderealist were perfectly described Trump chart.
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Thanks for your input. Could describing Trump's chart tropically?
Siderealist were perfectly described Trump chart.
"Ms" is used with women. Women do not normally have beards, grey or otherwise.

Trust me. The tropical zodiac describes Trump to a tee. I do not intend to write an essay or book.
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"Ms" is used with women. Women do not normally have beards, grey or otherwise.

Trust me. The tropical zodiac describes Trump to a tee. I do not intend to write an essay or book.
I can't trust it unless you explain why Ptolemy stealing the "sign" from sidereal.

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In the tropical zodiac, using Placidus houses...

I think it is significant that the entire 12th house lies within the sign of Leo. It is Pride that leads to self-defeat, self-undoing. Notice the furor over the Wall, which I believe T sees as a monument to himself.
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I can't trust it unless you explain why Ptolemy stealing the "sign" from sidereal.
I don't think you fully understand the differences between tropical and sidereal.

So I'll make you a deal.

You satisfactorily explain to me the difference, and I will tell you why Ptolemy stole your signs.
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Perhaps it would give a better fit yo describe Sun in 10th as "issues dealing with authority and public position" rather than "striving for political power". Trump was never directly involved in politics until he was about 70 years old. The presidency was simply the golden plum on the highest branch.

Trump sees himself as King by Divine Right and has dynastic aims.
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The Trump nativity would have been called
"An Imperial Horosocope"
by the court astrologers of the Roman emperors
(prior to the 4th century CE)

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I don't think you fully understand the differences between tropical and sidereal.
I do understand that sir

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So I'll make you a deal.

You satisfactorily explain to me the difference, and I will tell you why Ptolemy stole your signs.
Tropical Zodiac: came from Constellation [an arbitrary assemblage or group of stars] Zodiac and Ptolemy modified it to the Earth's single star aka The Sun. He modifed it in 12 months period of The Earth rotates around the Sun by putting each month in nature of the constellation zodiac. The advanced technology right now prove that the Earth is slightly tilted. With the fact he is in between northern hemisphere and he is unaware that our Earth has Southern Hemisphere so the nature of the zodiac itself are not universaly valid.

Sidereal Zodiac: the coordinations system of celestial objects in our solar system based on an arbitrary assemblage or group of stars. Invented by ancient civilization in Babylonian, Egyptian, Indian, Mayan, Chinese, etc. The most recent corrections of the sidereal zodiac were developed by Fagan/Bradley.
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Ptolemy, who lived in the 2nd century and was well versed in the science of his day, certainly knew of the southern hemisphere because Eratosthenes had shown the Earth to be spherical and had even correctly calculated its circumference over 4 centuries earlier.

You really don't understand.

How about the Mayan zodiac?

You used a key word in your attempt at an explanation -- arbitrary. If I understand you, "the constellations are arbitrary groupings of stars".

This means that Man has created the constellations according to his whim. The constellations do not exist in reality. If this is so, just what are you hanging your sidereal hat on?

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You really don't understand.
Of course I already state my understanding of the Zodiac meanwhile sir greybread judging my understanding without explaination.

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Ptolemy, who lived in the 2nd century and was well versed in the science of his day, certainly knew of the southern hemisphere because Eratosthenes had shown the Earth to be spherical and had even correctly calculated its circumference over 4 centuries earlier.
You clearly giving us unsatisfying answer

Why he keep the constellation nature in his monthly zodiac then? And keep using it to deliniate natal chart from his predecessor with very different sunrise/ascendant location?

Ie: 8 Pisces ascendant [tropical] give us Jupiter nature but it is 13 Aquarius ascendant [sidereal] give us Saturn nature.

I hope please explain this more clearly rather then judge me with "you don't understand". Or maybe I just give you free lesson from sidereal perspective?

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How about the Mayan zodiac?
I said this because it is general, if we talk about specific zodiac common on traditional astrology then we go to Babylonian zodiac.
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This means that Man has created the constellations according to his whim. The constellations do not exist in reality. If this is so, just what are you hanging your sidereal hat on?
Of course it is coordinate system.
NASA using this "sign" so their rockets didn't get lost in space.
Meanwhile the tropical zodiac is not visible at all.
Or could you see it? Let me see the footage then.
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