david starling
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david, curious, do you feel signs don’t have shadows?
Can you define "shadows"? Sounds like you mean faults versus virtues.
david, curious, do you feel signs don’t have shadows?
I can remember how much I struggled with The Ghost in the Machine at 20 despite feeling like it had all my answers, but there was no one to read it with, only references in other texts had pointed there. Just picked it up again to read as you directed, thanks.
Do you see any way to limit the negative potentiality of human-machine cognition and power in the coming years besides degrowth (which I don't see happening intentionally)?
David, before we ever debate again, please read both Ray Grasse (Signs of the Times - ALL of it) and (regarding spiritually motivated violence) Arthur Koestler (Ghost in the Machine, at least the 3rd section). I could quote and quote and quote from them, but such would be wasted effort when the full texts and facts are laid out so well in these books (and so thoroughly and impressively referenced/documented) to read, explore, and contemplate. These "encyclopedic" texts express so much more fully and exactly what I am trying to convey.
Myself - admitting my paucity of accumulated knowledge vis-à-vis these amazing minds - I'm throwing in my cards. Game over for me.
But before I retire from what seems a gridlocked thread - which I wish I had never started - I would like to say that I am not distorting Pisces (whose energies* live inside me every day) in order to fit my premise. Every sign has its positive qualities and its dark shadows. Pisces/Neptune not only rules kindness, selflessness, beautiful ideals, and my favorite, fantasy, which helped me survive a very abusive upbringing and made me a very successful actor - but Pisces/Neptune also rules poisoning, "gaslighting", paranoia, and insanity. It most definitely has a dark side.
*I have Jupiter, Venus, Mars, and the NN in tight conjunction in the middle of Pisces, and my Piscean Venus is in mutual reception with my Libra Neptune, which is my most elevated planet and my only planet with no negative aspects - but my Neptune IS trine my Aquarian Sun (which is intercepted; i.e., Aquarius does not contact any house cusp, thus disempowered. So Neptune is its only positive outlet). Right now, tr. Neptune is making its 4th consecutive conjunction of my Piscean Mars, and it's soon to go stationary direct for a 5th consecutive exact conjunction (without ever leaving the conjunction orb) - which will finally end two years of oppressive lethargy, painful tragic loss and death, and frustrated, angry despair that has led to rage. Does that qualify that I know the nature of Pisces?
REGARDING VIOLENCE EXHIBITED IN THE AGES:
Arian violence is simply unmitigated, straightforward aggression and random brutality - the Roman Empire and the Coliseum should suffice as examples.
Very distinct from Arian violence, Capricornian violence usually invokes unquestioned formalized "laws" (which may be officially changed as expedience dictates), harsh confinement, neatly structured cruel punishment. The historical Catholic Church epitomizes to me the dark side of Capricorn (and significantly they chose the Winter Solstice, a sacred pagan day in Capricorn which marked the death of the Sun, as their Church's holiest of days, Xmas - with no evidence whatsoever that Jesus was born on that day - Jesus was NO Capricorn!).
With my assumption that this religion represented Capricornian negativity at its most significant in recent history in Europe (and not in the world, as would an astrological age) - it first officially burned Joan of Arc at the stake and then officially canonized her as St. Joan of Arc - as this seemed expedient at the time - Capricorn, always practical.
This Church ceremoniously burned the outspoken but forever honest and ingenious Giordano Bruno, but just formally imprisoned the fickle Galileo (who had only parroted Bruno's "blasphemous" heliocentric notions, but had retracted them in cowardice) in his sumptuous house for the rest of his life. And do you know that Galileo actually publicly mocked Kepler for suggesting that the Moon had an effect on the tides, calling this an "occult fancy"?! That assured his "safe" situation with the Church. What a self-serving a*ss! He played to the Capricornian "rules" very well.
Quite on the other hand, Piscean violence is instigated by intense paranoia and imagined desperation for self-survival. It can be irrational, out-of-control - wild hysteria that spreads like wildfire. (There's nothing Capricornian or Arian about it.) It's like a terrified animal fighting for its life, even when that is not the actual situation it is in.
After doing synastries for decades, I have never been wrong in observing that someone whose natal Neptune is square your natal Sun or Moon is likely to lie to you or betray you to save their own a*ss - very often quite unwillingly and regretfully, but nevertheless, very often with serious consequences for you. (See other threads on this very forum as to the negative sides of Pisces/Neptune.)
Just as it is suggested that I have distorted the nature of Pisces, I might suggest that the recent oppositions to my claims idealize Pisces far too much. Every sign has its fine qualities but also its dark side - and Pisces is not an exception.
And also, yes, due to what I believe to be the great overlap of the Ages, the ugly side of Aquarius has already begun - this is BRILLIANTLY demonstrated in Grasse's Signs of the Times. PLEASE READ IT.
Faults would be one part of it. I’m also thinking of “stuff one might assign to 12th or 7th house” - externalizations, projections, invisible characteristics and costs.
Faults would be one part of it. I’m also thinking of “stuff one might assign to 12th or 7th house” - externalizations, projections, invisible characteristics and costs.
I think we've been in the Age of Aquarius for some while now - look at all the technology that's now invasive in our lives, the invisible radiation and frequencies that we're now surrounded by. The use of radiation and even lasers in surgery. The fact that everyone can now communicate with practically anyone else on the planet. A text can wing its way in a few seconds across oceans and continents. People are no longer clustering in cosy Piscean communities where caring was the norm, they are connecting over the wifi waves to people they will never meet, according to an affinity of interests - just as easily switched off as on, with only a tenuous mental connection.
And it's not just Aquarius, it's the entire fixed cross that's now coming into play. Look at the selfie-taking youngsters spending hours putting on their make-up and showing themselves off on instagram, look at how everyone can have their own youtube channel and display their creations (good and bad) - that's the Leo end of the axis.
Look at the rampant materialism of Taurus, the way that 'money speaks' and banksters rule the world, the longing in many to have all the material things and the glamorous homes that celebrities show us they have.
Look at the way sex for many young people has become the first way in which they speak to each other with sexting now the norm followed by Tinder hook-ups which also sometimes result in death to the woman as she recklessly goes home with a stranger who happens to be a psychopath. Look at the over-sexualisation of society caused by easy, mass access to ****, and the warping of young people's minds through watching it as to how sex 'ought to be'. That's Scorpio.
The only upside is that now Uranus has transited into Taurus, suddenly the perilous state of the natural world is being talked about. 5G is being challenged. Over-consumption and the damage to the environment from that new pair of jeans is being highlighted. People are stepping back from posting every detail of their lives on their facebook pages as the insidious nature of data-collecting by Big Data has become obvious.
We can only hope that in this transition of Uranus to the fixed axis, we have a window of opportunity to set a new course.
BobZemco once remarked:For the Tropical age of Capricorn to have begun
.......then we have exited the tropical age of Aquarius
.......the dawning will be an extremely long wait
.......
BobZemco once remarked:
There's a reason why things are the way they are
Sun is a Masculine Planet. Leo is a Masculine Sign. Leo is a Summer Sign.
Leo is the 5th House. The 5th House is North.
Leo is the Sun's closest northerly approach to Earth.
Sun is the giver of life and vitality.
Sun rules Leo.
Moon is a Feminine Planet. Cancer is a Feminine Sign.
Cancer is a Summer Sign. Cancer is the 4th House.
The 4th House is North. Cancer is the Moon's most northerly approach to Earth.
Moon nurtures life.
Moon rules Cancer.
Saturn is the farthest Planet away from Sun/Moon.
Saturn is Cold & Dry.
Saturn destroys life.
Saturn undoes what Sun and Moon do.
Saturn rules Capricorn because it is diametrically opposed to Moon,
and rules Aquarius because it is diametrically opposed to Sun.
That's just common sense.
We don't need 7,000 years worth of natal, horary, electional, mundane
event, profection or solar return charts to figure that out
since it constantly proves it.
Saturn is a Diurnal Planet because in a Day Chart, the heat negates
some of Saturn's destructive Cold and he isn't as cranky
and might even be only mildly rude
after his first cup of tea or coffee
instead of being the Demon from Hell.
keep in mind malefic saturn and "ages of Capricorn/Aquarius"
Saturn rules Capricorn AND Aquarius.
David, in terms of observable effects, how do you differentiate the sidereal / spiritual from the tropical / material?