I'm in this chart as I'm asking the question and what I do next is somewhat (okay highly) dependent on the outcome, but it is not asking if he and I will be together - that's a separate question I think...
I'm L1 Mars in the 8th, which makes sense, as I'm hurting, but also poised to make a change - Mars is at 29 degrees about to move into Cancer. He's Venus (L7) and in his 12th house in a stellium... I'm really unsure how to read stelliums, they're very confusing...
Everything I've read so far says to assign Saturn to her as the "scorned"? partner? which seems a little harsh, but she can't be Venus and the moon is my co-sig, so that kind of leaves Saturn. If that's right then yes, he will as Venus makes an applying square to Saturn in the 4th (his 10th) - although Venus might still be under combustion? There are so many different degrees for that... Then there is Mercury involved, also combust and the Sun... all in his 12th house. The sun rules his 4th house (radix 10th). The sun also has reception with the Moon, my co-sig...
all in all it's highly confusing, but the time limit I imposed on this was 2 weeks, because I don't want to hang around forever waiting for him to make his choices/decisions.
Any help clarifying as it really looks like I'm poised to jump into something... sigh
Thank you in advance
Will he leave her - time limited
I'm in this chart as I'm asking the question and what I do next is somewhat (okay highly) dependent on the outcome, but it is not asking if he and I will be together - that's a separate question I think...
I'm L1 Mars in the 8th, which makes sense, as I'm hurting, but also poised to make a change - Mars is at 29 degrees about to move into Cancer. He's Venus (L7) and in his 12th house in a stellium... I'm really unsure how to read stelliums, they're very confusing...
Everything I've read so far says to assign Saturn to her as the "scorned"? partner? which seems a little harsh, but she can't be Venus and the moon is my co-sig, so that kind of leaves Saturn. If that's right then yes, he will as Venus makes an applying square to Saturn in the 4th (his 10th) - although Venus might still be under combustion? There are so many different degrees for that... Then there is Mercury involved, also combust and the Sun... all in his 12th house. The sun rules his 4th house (radix 10th). The sun also has reception with the Moon, my co-sig...
all in all it's highly confusing, but the time limit I imposed on this was 2 weeks, because I don't want to hang around forever waiting for him to make his choices/decisions.
Any help clarifying as it really looks like I'm poised to jump into something... sigh
Thank you in advance
Re: Will he leave her - time limited
okay, for the sake of the narrative that everyone expects, how about: Will he leave her and if he does **should** I enter a relationship with him.
okay, for the sake of the narrative that everyone expects, how about: Will he leave her and if he does **should** I enter a relationship with him.
Milarian
Moon can act as a co ruler for both the question and the querent(s), she rules the general tenement of the query.
A question I have: Is the individual you are asking about in an 'unbridled relationship' i.e., objective, one that is romance poised to become matrimonial, yet the decision was to be in the offing, as you are wishing for with the prospective individual? Is there a marriage involved in the question presently?
StarDust1
Coming back to this because of some strange developments and I'm unsure where to look for unexpected (and unpleasant) events...
Upon which significator or significators do the unexpected and unpleasant events fall?
It might be helpful from a delineation viewpoint if you could briefly sketch out what has ensued?
Upon her actually, but I'm being blamed for them. So I don't really know which significator that would be... and since we don't tend to use Uranus, I don't know what to look for.
For me, at least, what I experience as your lack of clarity makes it hard to get a handle on what you are seeking. Like, what's the deal?
Okay - I've had my server hacked with someone downloading the chat logs between me and J; my facebook hacked, his facebook hacked, my credit cards used, my address changed, chat logs sent to her, this kind of mischief, or perhaps you'd call it malice? I don't know what to look for for this kind of thing.
Is that clearer? (I'm on Australian time, so different probably from you). Anyway, I hope that's clearer on the type of mischief I mean.. :/
*****although I really don't understand what you find so unclear? *****
Yes, I'm inexperienced and new to this, but weren't you once? I had thought this was a place to learn.
I did not mean to offend or chastise. There is no problem with your questions. They are welcome. It is that
horary is based on people, events, context. Your questions are so spare in such a complex matter that significators become very difficult if not impossible to determine.
I am sorry for the upsets you just described; it is not my intent to intrude.
To find people acting unfavorably toward you, you first determine their significator. And look then at its reception with your significator. Typically Ur would not be employed. I hope this methodology answers your question.
No, that's quite alright, really. It's probably that I don't realise what level of detail I need to give...
What I was looking for was something in this chart that would explain this kind of response to the situation. Is that clear? I hope so :/ Where would I look for the significator for this kind of problem? It's determining the significator that I'm having a problem with
Thanks for the help.
Horary describes what will or has happened and when. I am not sure a chart can explain why someone would respond maliciously, only that they would be inclined to do so.
Here is what I can share with you about the houses that might be associated with adverse behaviour toward your significator. All of this is from Deb Houlding's website, Skyscript, under the Horary link at the top of the home page:
I think what I highlight in blue comes closest to the malicious behaviour you describe. Mercury rules the 8th and is in the sign of your/Mars' detriment. One way of interpreting the reception, [which I don't practice, but others do] would suggest that this party does not like you. This party/Merc goes on the conjunct him/Venus very soon after this chart is cast.
- Traditional astrology relates the eighth house to crisis, hidden matters, anguish of mind, poison and deadly fears; its concern is the inhibiting factors that stand in our way. It is a house of personal vulnerability. In Horary Astrology is refers to the above and also death, loss, or issues relating to these for the querent. Issues that bring us fear, anxiety or loss.
- Traditionally, twelfth house it is a wholly unfortunate house, associated with sad events, sorrow, anguish of mind, tribulation, captivity, imprisonment, persecution, hard labour, all manner of affliction and self-undoing. It has much to do with shame and the fear of future consequences. Its significations include secret, unknown enemies, such men as maliciously undermine their neighbours or inform secretly against them: traitors, spies; witchcraft, malicious hauntings; weakness, infirmity and bondage.
I am not be able to tell you anything more except that it appears that the significator of the ill-will from the 8th is closely connected to him/Venus, both in his house using whole sign houses and also soon to conjunct Venus, who receives Mercury well.
PS It probably is worth noting that your significator, Mars, is in the 8th house, so pointing to your being the recipient of ill-fortune in these circumstances.
Sorry I cannot be of more help.
I am wishing you well,
I see! Thank you so much Ilene - that's very helpful and actually points me to a person I had wondered about. It's also very helpful to know where to look for these kinds of things.
I read skyscript a lot; there's so much to learn there, and here.
Thank you ever so much.
Kindest regards
Mila
Both his and my children are adults, well over 21. What would keep him with her is shared assets. No I didn't leave my children before this chart; in fact nothing in particular happened before this chart. My car broke down... oh, and my son insisted I take a holiday after months of lockdown... he arranged it.
No Jupiter is not holiday or your car. Its probably related to this question, perhaps an ultimatum you gave him? Or your final decision whether to stay or leave. Yes assets they have is the key, Mercury and all his significators in fixed sign. Saturn also in fixed sign. Taurus is normally related to money and possessions, so his significators being there makes sense. Venus feels very much at home in its own sign, his need for material security comes above anything else.