Hi all, hope you can help me out!
I've started studying traditional astrology
(mainly using Zoller)
and I am having some trouble
putting all that he says about delineation into practice.
My biggest questions are:
- when a planet is in a house, how will it help to the realisation of the house's affairs? For example, Sun in the 7th in a good zodiacal state - does that imply (on its own) good luck with partnerships? Do you then look at what houses the Sun rules to link them to the 7th house?
- when a certain house's signification don't really make sense in the chart so you need to look at its derived meaning, how do you know which derived meaning to take (I mean which house to start counting from?
I am just a bit overwhelmed
when I started putting all his tips into practice
and I don't know if I am delineating correctly.
Thank y'all!
7. Position is stronger than rulership.
Aries on 5th house cusp. Jupiter in Aries.
Juptier is having much more important for the issues of the house then the ruler Mars.
8. The planet in detriment can not produce effectively what it promise.
9.The house represents the beginning of a matter, the ruler of the house,
represents the development of the matter, a kind of middle
point, and the final dispositor, i.e. the planet that rules the sign in which
the ruler is placed represents the end of the matter.
10. The planet which is closest to cusp is the most important in the house and dominates the affairs of the house, because of the rule that position is stronger than rulership, unless the ruler of the house is also in the house.
11. Planets can do 3 things. They can produce something,
they can deny something, or they can destroy something once it has been
produced.
1. See ifthere are any planets in the house. Note if they are benef*
ics or malefics. Note which is closer to the cusp of the house.
2. See what sign is on the cusp of the house. Note the triplicity
of the sign, the degree of the cusp and the rulers of the sign
(especially the rulers by sign, exaltation, and triplicity).
3. See what planet is the ruler by sign. Note what house it is
in. It will I ink the affairs of the house it is in to the affairs of
the house you are judging. Note the nature of the ruler of the
house. Its nature will tell you how the affairs of the house will
be realized.
If the ruler is in good zodiacal state and in good house (angular/succedent) the matters symbolized by the house will be realized.
If it is in good zodiacal state, but weak by house placement, there will be problems with realizing the things signified by the house.
If it is in bad zodiacal and house placement as well (cadent for example), the matters will not be realized by any means.
But still, you can look to the triplicity ruler or the Almuten, or the exaltation ruler, termin ruler and etc.. (look at 4).
4. Look at the Almuten of the house. Look also to the other 5 dignity rulers. Face is weakest of this and I do not use it. The termin ruler also I use very rarely.
If the ruler by sign cannot realize the
affairs of a house, perhapsthe Almuten or one of the otherrul*
ers can.
5. Examine the Arabic Part associated with matter at hand.
For example, for judging the first house calculate Pars Vitae. For the life's purpose Pars Hyleg. For 2nd house - Pars Substance and Fortune. For 7th - the Part of Marriage and etc..
6. See also the significator of the thing the house is associated
with. You will want to see the natural significator, the acci*dental significator and, once you have learned of them, the specific significator.
04-20-2012, 08:47 AM
Omnisphericus
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Some Tips on Delineating
The type of Delineation I'm giving here is a mix of medieval techniques with those of the Hellenistic authors.
Robert Zoller played great role
in my traditional astrology education
and this is obvious
for those who are familiar with his work.
I need to mention that even though Zoller
was initially very fond on Arabia authors,
his basic delineation techniques
are taken from the early reneissance
French astrologer Morin.
Zoller studied with Zoltan Mason
who introduced Morin
and his basic natal delineation to Zoller.
Zoltan was also one of the first translators of Morin.
Here are some tips for delineating the chart in this manner.
1. The good or bad signified by a house emanates from the ruler of the house.
This is the basic rule. The ruler of the house is giver of the material of the house.
Zoller gives the example of his own chart where he has Combusted Mercury in 11th, ruler of 4th. He comments that this kind of placement brings adversity to ones home and dwellings.
2. Benefit in one area of life can be produced by adversity, or even conflict, in another.
Again Zoller gives example from his own chart.
Jupiter in 9th in Scorpio disposited from Mars in 11th: Wisdom coming from conflicts.
3. The delineation tells you the what. The
predictive techniques tell you the when.
4.
The Elemental Quality of the Sign of the Ascendant is showing the type of Primary Motivation of the native.
Fire
goes for freedom of action and power.
Air
goes for freedom of expression and movement.
The Water signs
need emotional security
Earth signs
need physical security.
The person with masculine Ascendant (or majority of planets in masculine signs) speaks in active terms: "I did this to that person".
The person with feminine sign on Ascendant or majority planets in feminine signs, speaks in passive terms: "This happened to me".
The Feminine signs seek advice because they need second hand in their decisions, in fact they want someone else to make the decision for them.
Masculine signs seek advice because they have many options so they are not sure which option is better.
Cardinal signs are most active. Cardinal water and earth (Cancer and Capricorn) are working great amount of actions but in circumstances and environment structured already by someone else.
Libra and Aries (Cardinal masculine) are working great in any kind of circumstances.
Fixed signs are centripetal, they need center. They are very successful in Acquisations.
Taurus hoards money.
Leo hoards glory and honor.
Scorpio hoards the hidden things, hidden motivations of other people, seek energy and vitality.
Aquarius hoards Knowledge.
Mutable signs vacillate between the two: cardinal and fixed.
5. Examine the planets which most closely aspects the Ascendant. These planets add to the whole Primary Motivation thing.
Planets aspecting the Ascendant represent powers the native can use in the world.
The aspecting planet's local determination will be added to the Primary
Motivation.
(Venus in 5th will add love for pleasure and entertainment to the native's Primary Motivation).
The aspect between the aspecting planet and the Ascendant tells you how the being of the planet and its local determination are linked.
6. The Ruler of the Ascendant by its house position tells you where (what area of life) the native will seek to realize his/her Primary Motivation.
Look also at all 5 dignity rulers in the place of the ASC. The Almuten and Exalted ruler are lamost as significant as the domicile ruler (sometimes even more).
The Ruler of the Ascendant (as well as the other rulers) by its nature and zodiacal state shows the methods the native will use and the success or failure of the drive.
This is great quote by Zoller:
Quote:
"This little trick is of great practical value. By means of it, we may understand what the native wants. All other wants and desires are negotiable, but not the Primary Motivation. If you interfere with another person's ability to realize their Primary Motivation, they are gone."
Lets assume that a person has Cancer on the Ascendant,
The primary motivation of this person is the Need for Emotional Security.
The ruler/s of the Ascendant and their zodiacal and local state will determine How would this be achieved.
Lets assume Moon on IC in Libra Peregrine.
Jupiter in 6th (but 7th sign!) in Capricorn.
Venus in Sag in 6th - Peregrine.
Mars in Scorpio in 4th (but 5th sign!)
Saturn (term ruler) is in 5th Scorpio Peregrine.
We can see that Moon is strong by accident (being on angle), so we can judge first from there.
The need for Emotional Security this person would seek in the home, in the place of the father. The father would be the means through which this person would try to achieve the Emotional Security.
Jupiter - the exalted ruler is weak by being cadent, Venus too. They can't produce much in giving the emotional security this person seeks.
Jupiter by universal means suggest that the native would seek wisdom, religion (and the person actually did!) but by being cadent and in fall, it can't productively give what it promise.
Mars is in 4/5th and is strong by zodiacal state, but is out of sect malefic.
It would try to win competitions, but also with Saturn in 5th will give great deal of creativity. Mars rules the 10th - creativity and looking for career, would also give some amount of emotional security for this person. But by being square with Sun in 7th it means that it will have opposition from authorities and other people in general.
The primary motivation is great deal of what we unconsciously and often consciously seek for. Once that motivation is broken or someone interrupt it, we seek to fix that in the every possible way we can do that.
I will continue with the tips in my next post.
