SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

JUPITERASC

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with the exception of the two luminaries Sun and Moon :smile:

the remaining five classical planets
traditionally

have dual rulerships:




Diurnal, Masculine
and
Nocturnal, Feminine domiciles.

and so

SATURN - Aquarius - Diurnal and Masculine

SATURN - Capricorn - Nocturnal and Feminine.






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JUPITERASC

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concept of "essential dignities" in astrology
looking in-depth at the categories of rulership

and




detriment or exile
as well as exaltation

and fall aka depression.
acommon misconceptions about planetary dignities :smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvDQiISa7SY





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Lucidel

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Saturn on Ascendant typically means you are reserved or your expression of self-expression is hindered in some way. MC in Aquarius probably means you'd be good at Agriculture or traditional Saturnian fields. I would say technology, but that's more a modern astrological idea due to Aquarius's modern affiliation with Uranus.
 

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Joseph Crane says
the Greeks had no concept of combustion :smile:

"...Traditional astrologers are familiar with
the idea of '...combustion...'
if a planet is within eight degrees of the Sun
it is burnt up by the Sun

and is in a weakened condition.

This concept does not appear in the Hellenistic tradition
HOWEVER

its origin may be in the depiction of
a planet sunken within the Sun’s beams.

Does Saturn, being in a '...sunken...' condition
imply
that Saturn is no good as a planet for the native?
If so, this may be a particular problem
when Saturn, SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
governs many planets in Capricorn
as well as Aquarius..."






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david starling

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Joseph Crane says
the Greeks had no concept of combustion :smile:

"...Traditional astrologers are familiar with
the idea of '...combustion...'
if a planet is within eight degrees of the Sun
it is burnt up by the Sun

and is in a weakened condition.

This concept does not appear in the Hellenistic tradition
HOWEVER

its origin may be in the depiction of
a planet sunken within the Sun’s beams.

Does Saturn, being in a '...sunken...' condition
imply
that Saturn is no good as a planet for the native?
If so, this may be a particular problem
when Saturn, SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
governs many planets in Capricorn
as well as Aquarius..."






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I remember reading that cazimi prevents combustion at 17 minutes orb.
 

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Much of Saturn's astrological interpretation can be traced
to its astronomical appearance and movement :smile:
As the outermost planet
extremes and boundaries of any kind fall under its influence
from mundane significations
ranging from gateposts, doors
thresholds and walls
international borders
skins
leather
teeth, bones, nails and hair
to the signification of personal limits imposed by fear, self-doubt
weakness
and lack of resource.
Deborah Houlding






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Extremes like in extreme anger? How can that be if its a cold planet?
 

JUPITERASC

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Much of Saturn's astrological interpretation can be traced
to its astronomical appearance and movement :smile:
As the outermost planet


extremes and boundaries of any kind fall under its influence



Extremes like in extreme anger?

How can that be if its a cold planet?



from mundane significations
ranging from gateposts, doors
thresholds and walls
international borders
skins
leather
teeth, bones, nails and hair

to the signification of personal limits imposed by fear,

self-doubt
weakness

and lack of resource.
Deborah Houlding

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Cold anger is anger that has been cooled and put to use :smile:



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socrates

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PISCES is the domain of the hermit and the monk
who after assimilating too much knowledge
became confused and troubled.
This is symbolic of piscean inner turmoil
with the two sides of an argument,
or the 2 fish set against each other.
The effect is one of self undoing
because
the native takes positions that are
inherently contradictory to each other.


According to Valens: "….Pisces is a feminine zoidion
... opposed to itself because of
being both in the south and in the north
... Those so born are inconstant, of two minds
those who change from bad to good
erotic, servile, licentious, prolific, popular."

In contrast to the other sign administered to by Jupiter
which is about seeing
this sign is about believing, faith, and sacrifice


for PISCES SATURN - Here the principle of agnoia
often causes the native
to forget that they are a part of the human family.
This represents the test of compassion
of which the ultimate example is
whether they will lay down their own life for their fellow man.
In most nativities, this extreme is never reachedbut frequently they are somehow put into situations
that obligate them to take care of those less fortunate
at a sacrifice to their own well being.
Saturn is the planet of agnoia and neglect
there is the danger of falling into disgrace and dishonor
if they forget to live by the same high standards they expect others to live by.
Because of this, the penalties for failure are much higher
and less forgiving for these natives than they are for most.
In a diurnal chart Saturn can function effectively
under the principle of limitation set by the diurnal sect
and set realistic goals for the native.
Therefore these individuals often reach positions of power and prestige.
Their integrity is often unquestionable
and rarely do they suffer dishonor or disgrace.

On another level, PISCES SATURN individuals
often have a hard time maintaining structure and routine. :smile:
Their lives may stagnate to the point that they may be tempted
to withdraw and live the life of a hermit.
It can also represent a test of faith
because Saturn essentially says
that there is nothing beyond itself and what is physically real
or in the words of Descartes
that there is nothing real but extension.




However, Pisces hints at what is beyond
because it is the last of the signs
and signifies reintegration into the collective.
In contrast to the easy going nature of PISCES JUPITER
an individual with PISCES SATURN tends
to take life too seriously and lacks a sense of humor.
They may tend to suffer from depression
and indulge themselves in self pity.
They may be allergic to pets.

In a diurnal chart, the heat of the day helps to minimize
the coldness of Saturn and the dryness helps
to make distinct their obligations to those less fortunate.
A PISCES SATURN is a good position for those
who would work in mental institutions or hospitals
and allows the setting of limits
as to how much personal sacrifice the native will have to endure.
source: Curtis Manwaring


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The fact that venus and moon rule women and night reminds me that they tend to fall for criminal types or bad boys and cant see through them cause darkness makes judgemebt fuzxy
 

socrates

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What does saturn in aquarius tend to neglect?



PISCES is the domain of the hermit and the monk
who after assimilating too much knowledge
became confused and troubled.
This is symbolic of piscean inner turmoil
with the two sides of an argument,
or the 2 fish set against each other.
The effect is one of self undoing
because
the native takes positions that are
inherently contradictory to each other.


According to Valens: "….Pisces is a feminine zoidion
... opposed to itself because of
being both in the south and in the north
... Those so born are inconstant, of two minds
those who change from bad to good
erotic, servile, licentious, prolific, popular."

In contrast to the other sign administered to by Jupiter
which is about seeing
this sign is about believing, faith, and sacrifice


for PISCES SATURN - Here the principle of agnoia
often causes the native
to forget that they are a part of the human family.
This represents the test of compassion
of which the ultimate example is
whether they will lay down their own life for their fellow man.
In most nativities, this extreme is never reachedbut frequently they are somehow put into situations
that obligate them to take care of those less fortunate
at a sacrifice to their own well being.
Saturn is the planet of agnoia and neglect
there is the danger of falling into disgrace and dishonor
if they forget to live by the same high standards they expect others to live by.
Because of this, the penalties for failure are much higher
and less forgiving for these natives than they are for most.
In a diurnal chart Saturn can function effectively
under the principle of limitation set by the diurnal sect
and set realistic goals for the native.
Therefore these individuals often reach positions of power and prestige.
Their integrity is often unquestionable
and rarely do they suffer dishonor or disgrace.

On another level, PISCES SATURN individuals
often have a hard time maintaining structure and routine. :smile:
Their lives may stagnate to the point that they may be tempted
to withdraw and live the life of a hermit.
It can also represent a test of faith
because Saturn essentially says
that there is nothing beyond itself and what is physically real
or in the words of Descartes
that there is nothing real but extension.




However, Pisces hints at what is beyond
because it is the last of the signs
and signifies reintegration into the collective.
In contrast to the easy going nature of PISCES JUPITER
an individual with PISCES SATURN tends
to take life too seriously and lacks a sense of humor.
They may tend to suffer from depression
and indulge themselves in self pity.
They may be allergic to pets.

In a diurnal chart, the heat of the day helps to minimize
the coldness of Saturn and the dryness helps
to make distinct their obligations to those less fortunate.
A PISCES SATURN is a good position for those
who would work in mental institutions or hospitals
and allows the setting of limits
as to how much personal sacrifice the native will have to endure.
source: Curtis Manwaring


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What does Saturn in aquarius tend to neglect?

Thanks
 

JUPITERASC

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9th conjunct mercury


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Are you talking about Saturn in the 9th in this chart,

which is in the sign of the MC and 10 degrees away from the MC point?
yes,and mercury
Beseiged applies to one planet at a time.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/beseiged.html

Bonatus describes a besieged planet as one that separates from a malefic and applies to another (Con. 6). It shows a situation that is going from bad to worse.

William Lilly described a planet besieged as one that lies between the bodies of the two malefics Mars and Saturn. His example is Mars at 10 ° Aries, Venus 13° Aries, and Saturn 15° Aries. It is generally accepted that besiegement can occur by aspect as well as bodily conjunction. As a principle it refers to a planet trapped by hostile forces on either side.

In the case of this chart, neither of the criteria hold for Venus. Venus separates from Mars but applies to Sun, not Saturn.
Venus also lies between Mars and Sun, not Mars and Saturn.
So I would say Venus is not beseiged.

If you follow the same thinking, Sun is not besieged either.
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JUPITERASC

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would mercury and saturn be considered strong in 9th house though theyre 7-10 degreses from MC point?


9th conjunct mercury



Are you talking about Saturn in the 9th in this chart,

which is in the sign of the MC and 10 degrees away from the MC point?
yes,and mercury
Beseiged applies to one planet at a time.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/beseiged.html

Bonatus describes a besieged planet as one that separates from a malefic and applies to another (Con. 6). It shows a situation that is going from bad to worse.

William Lilly described a planet besieged as one that lies between the bodies of the two malefics Mars and Saturn. His example is Mars at 10 ° Aries, Venus 13° Aries, and Saturn 15° Aries. It is generally accepted that besiegement can occur by aspect as well as bodily conjunction. As a principle it refers to a planet trapped by hostile forces on either side.

In the case of this chart, neither of the criteria hold for Venus. Venus separates from Mars but applies to Sun, not Saturn.
Venus also lies between Mars and Sun, not Mars and Saturn.
So I would say Venus is not beseiged.

If you follow the same thinking, Sun is not besieged either.
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REMINDER



The following table


clearly illustrates
below the column headed HOUSE
that

SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS :smile:

by the way

for beginners learning Traditional Astrology who do not know



HOUSE = DOMICILE
i.e.
House is aka Domicile



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JUPITERASC

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I remember reading that cazimi prevents combustion at 17 minutes
orb.
Joseph Crane says
the Greeks had no concept of combustion :smile:

"...Traditional astrologers are familiar with
the idea of '...combustion...'
if a planet is within eight degrees of the Sun
it is burnt up by the Sun

and is in a weakened condition.

This concept does not appear in the Hellenistic tradition
HOWEVER

its origin may be in the depiction of
a planet sunken within the Sun’s beams.

Does Saturn, being in a '...sunken...' condition
imply
that Saturn is no good as a planet for the native?
If so, this may be a particular problem
when Saturn, SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
governs many planets in Capricorn
as well as Aquarius..."


The image of the Water-Pourer aka AQUARIUS :smile:

is masculine, diurnal, solid, watery, human, servile, eloquent, semi-infertile, handsome, standing and of the east wind. It indicates inquiries, affairs, crafts, water and property. Depending on the placement of the houseruler, men born under the influence of Aquarius are burdened, envious, lying, occasionally generous because of the uncontrollable flow of the Water-Pourer, craftsmen, public, mystical, youthful, delicate, with beautiful figure and eyes, smooth hair, dizzy, beautiful manners, white, working with hard materials, troubled by athletic training, artisans, wealthy, malicious, haters of their own families, incorrigible, making living by waterside places, betrayers of reputation and truth, accusers, haters of mankind, godless and uncontrollable.

Domicile of Saturn, it controls the lower legs, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system. It causes blindness on account of the water. It is like-empowered with Libra, like-ascending with Pisces and like-engirding with Capricorn, short in the Northern Hemisphere and tall in the Southern Hemisphere. It is wintry, cold and moist for the north, and summery, hot and dry for the south. Aquarius obeys Aries for the north and commands it for the south. Aquarius controls Sauromatica, Oxiana, Sogdiana, Arabia, Azania and Middle Ethiopia. The left hand and the head are rising up to the 7th degree, the body and the right hand up to the 13th, the pitcher up to the 20th, the water up to the 25th, and the falling water up to the 30th.

The first 7° belong to Mercury - mastery, lovers of wisdom
The next 6° belong to Venus - friendships with great women
The next 7° belong to Jupiter - notable, some are winners of games
The next 5° belong to Mars - lawsuits, injuries, some die violent deaths
The final 5° belong to Saturn - education, grief in youth
Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf



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