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Ilene, they keep censoring videos that don't say what they want.
It's happening with more and more speed since the electoral college vote.

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Ilene, they keep censoring videos that don't say what they want.
It's happening with more and more speed since the electoral college vote.
These social media platforms are private sector corporations. They can make their own editorial decisions.

That's also the case for broadcast news.

That's Capitalism.

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I remember when they were all promoting the Iraq War.

News media is called the "Fourth Estate". It has the power to shape public opinion any way it chooses.

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I remember when they were all promoting the Iraq War.

News media is called the "Fourth Estate". It has the power to shape public opinion any way it chooses.

Well, I really have to respectfully disagree with this, David. The fourth estate, the print media, even when digital, is bound by libel and slander law and media ethics. A key element of formal print media ethics is to be unbiased. And although that may not be humanly possible, it is a formal aspiration of the fourth estate media ethics, even though they may be privately owned corporations. So they do NOT have the right to shape public opinion any way they choose. This is taking into consideration the editorializing that is part of the printed press.

Social media is not the fourth estate. It comes later, it is not restrained by libel and slander law. And so in that regard, it is free and has the power to to shape public opinion. Social media ought to have laws governing it and probably will. It is just so new that there has not been time for the society to really recognize with it is and then rise up and legislate law similar to printed media law.
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Ilene, they keep censoring videos that don't say what they want.
It's happening with more and more speed since the electoral college vote.

Social media are allowed to censor. At this time they are perceived and treated more like a utility than a private business and so are given more leeway about their monopolistic power. As such they are also a platform for libel and slander and are not regulated by law in that regard like the printed press, which IS.

Since social media is censoring, why not go to the countless other reputable sources that don't censor? They are out there and you can read the coverage in print that you are seeking.
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Ilene, they keep censoring videos that don't say what they want.

It's happening with more and more speed since the electoral college vote.




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Capitalist yes but they CANNOT make editorial decisions to ban or censor anyone based on their political views. They are NOT part of the 'News' but a public forum. Very different rules.

Trump TRIED to get this changed but the corrupt politicians like having big-tech on their side & suppressing any different viewpoint & refused to repeal Section 230.

It’s been called the “twenty-six words that created the internet.” Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act is a landmark U.S. law that shields social media companies such as Twitter and Facebook from liability for content their users post. The tech industry maintains that the provision allows the internet to flourish, but critics say companies either aren’t doing enough to combat harmful content, or are going too far with censorship.


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Social media are allowed to censor. At this time they are perceived and treated more like a utility than a private business and so are given more leeway about their monopolistic power. As such they are also a platform for libel and slander and are not regulated by law in that regard like the printed press, which IS.

Since social media is censoring, why not go to the countless other reputable sources that don't censor? They are out there and you can read the coverage in print that you are seeking.

But they are able to do this, only because they have special protections granted by the government. Why do they have these protections to begin with? Perhaps because they donate a lot of cash to politicians? (bribes?)
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These social media platforms are private sector corporations. They can make their own editorial decisions.

That's also the case for broadcast news.

That's Capitalism.
If they have editorial capabilities, they should be liable for the content which is uploaded to their site (like any editorial website would). Currently, the U.S. government has created special laws which prevent this.

If they only want to be a "plataform" for people to upload or discuss content, without any form of liability for the content that is uploaded there (such as copyrighted material), then they shouldn't be able to have editorial powers.

A special protection from government isn't "capitalism", its corporate cronysm. Capitalism is about getting government out of the economy.
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But they are able to do this, only because they have special protections granted by the government. Why do they have these protections to begin with? Perhaps because they donate a lot of cash to politicians? (bribes?)
Quite honestly, that is as good an explanation as any. I'm not defending; only describing.
Everyone with a lot of cash uses their money to get what they want from politicians now that independent-expenditure-only political committees (sometimes called “Super PACs”) may accept unlimited contributions, including from corporations and labor organizations.
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But they are able to do this, only because they have special protections granted by the government. Why do they have these protections to begin with? Perhaps because they donate a lot of cash to politicians? (bribes?)







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Quite honestly, that is as good an explanation as any. I'm not defending; only describing.
Everyone with a lot of cash uses their money to get what they want from politicians now that independent-expenditure-only political committees (sometimes called “Super PACs”) may accept unlimited contributions, including from corporations and labor organizations.
But that means that the reason they are censoring people is born out of their corrupted relationship with the government.
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Exactly. And what stops Mark Zuckerberg from doing politicians another type of favour, perhaps by censoring political opponents?
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FREE SPEECH is officially dead in the U.S.A. now.

America has now become Communist China.

SAD DAY when the tin-pot dictators of big-tech can ban the POTUS from Twitter, FB, Instagram. And I would say this no matter who was POTUS.

I don't read or follow anything from Biden/Harris but that's my choice. Choice has now been taken away by the Tech Oligarchs &
WE MUST ONLY LISTEN to & READ WHAT THEY TELL US TO.

NOBODY could have more power than the POTUS who haven't been elected by the people & who are driven by personal hate for Trump. What gives these sociopaths like Jack Dorsey, Zuckerberg the right to tell US, THE PEOPLE, who we can & cannot listen to.

We are back in 1960s Soviet Union.


Not only did they ban Trump permanently but numerous (100s) of Trump Patriots including the ones I used to follow. AND ANYONE with the word 'Patriot' in their name got banned too.

General Flynn, Powell, Codemonkey, Praying Medic, Ben Garrison, Qtah, x22 Report, intotheMatrixxx, Vincent Kennedy, Enoch, PepeNewsNow, TechnoFrog, Tracy Beanz ALL BANNED.


I feel so sick about this but not much anyone can do as they have the monopoly.

But, hey, eventually, they will turn against the Dems & then they will ban them too.

Then the only people left will be Jack & Zuckerberg & the dictators & the anti-semites & the bigots & the Communists who are still allowed to post on their platforms. But not the President of the most powerful democracy in the world.





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It was mostly just pictures of my wife, dog and memories of my mom who recently died



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Big Tech is the new Institution “Church & Religion” they will erase and create data as they want now. They completely and erroneously censor people without any justification. Someone in their office all depressed taking vendettas on any platform, without admitting it,a disgrace!








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You must know that Trump is no less corrupt and any other of the politicians. They all can be bought at some price.
He is the only person in government whose networth has actually gone down, since he got elected to office. Doesn't seem very corrupt to me.

He is also not a politician. He is not someone who dedicated his career to going through the "cursus honorum" while working in government. He is just an elected official.

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He is the only person in government whose networth
has actually gone down, since he got elected to office.

Doesn't seem very corrupt to me.

He is also not a politician.
He is not someone who dedicated his career

to going through the "cursus honorum" while working in government.
He is just an elected official.



by the way
interesting update minutes ago
Lt. General Thomas McInerney speaking at the White House
says that special forces were mixed in on Wednesday
when the capitol was stormed

and that they’re the ones who stole Nancy Pelosi’s laptop.

Lt. General Thomas McInerney:
Special Forces Took Nancy Pelosi Laptop Wednesday
Says She's Frantic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Ady3z-Xy8






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Youtube censors content they feel is dangerous to business sponsors when they advertise on their platform and they ask Youtubers if they want to keep their virals/videos monetized, they have to adhere to Youtube's content standards.

Chris Chappell of China Uncensored and America Uncovered has a near-daily series of news segments criticizing the far-left of China's communism while they are capitalizing on their economic boom and the anti-social democratic right of American capitalism which was politically corrected against the public's will.

Youtube doesn't want business sponsors lose their draw in business profits if they advertise on very anti-China and anti-Trump opinions, or any form of politics involving the US government and different countries esp. with China.

I'm a strong believer in freedom of speech, expression and dissent, then as an employee for big box retailers, grocery chains and corporations who doesn't want to get near politics and controversy of any kind, I can see Youtube wants a medium of no unnecessary vs. justified censorship of content on the platform.
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But that means that the reason they are censoring people is born out of their corrupted relationship with the government.
Doing something in one's financial or personal interest is not necessarily corrupt. It is just self-serving. It may corrupt or it may not.

One's self-interest may correspond with the greater good. Or not. We really can't know any one's inner motives on any side of this matter.
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Doing something in one's financial or personal interest
is not necessarily corrupt. It is just self-serving.
It may corrupt or it may not.
One's self-interest may correspond with the greater good.
Or not.
We really can't know any one's inner motives on any side of this matter.

MARK ZUCKERBERG DONATED $400 Million To Election Offices
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKFF26CLLyc

and what a co-incidence that Zuckerberg was allowed access
that was denied to Republican Observers into the building
to watch mail ballots being counted in Philadelphia
A terrible insult to our Constitution!


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Well, I really have to respectfully disagree with this, David. The fourth estate, the print media, even when digital, is bound by libel and slander law and media ethics. A key element of formal print media ethics is to be unbiased. And although that may not be humanly possible, it is a formal aspiration of the fourth estate media ethics, even though they may be privately owned corporations. So they do NOT have the right to shape public opinion any way they choose. This is taking into consideration the editorializing that is part of the printed press.

Social media is not the fourth estate. It comes later, it is not restrained by libel and slander law. And so in that regard, it is free and has the power to to shape public opinion. Social media ought to have laws governing it and probably will. It is just so new that there has not been time for the society to really recognize with it is and then rise up and legislate law similar to printed media law.

The Supreme Court ruled that broadcast news is not required by law to tell the whole truth. It's "infotainment", and not under oath to be entirely factual, even though it can be sued for libel and slander.
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Doing something in one's financial or personal interest is not necessarily corrupt. It is just self-serving. It may corrupt or it may not.

One's self-interest may correspond with the greater good. Or not. We really can't know any one's inner motives on any side of this matter.
It is corrupt, if the power to do it comes from corrupting a government entity.
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Youtube censors content they feel is dangerous to business sponsors when they advertise on their platform and they ask Youtubers if they want to keep their virals/videos monetized, they have to adhere to Youtube's content standards.

Chris Chappell of China Uncensored and America Uncovered has a near-daily series of news segments criticizing the far-left of China's communism while they are capitalizing on their economic boom and the anti-social democratic right of American capitalism which was politically corrected against the public's will.

Youtube doesn't want business sponsors lose their draw in business profits if they advertise on very anti-China and anti-Trump opinions, or any form of politics involving the US government and different countries esp. with China.

I'm a strong believer in freedom of speech, expression and dissent, then as an employee for big box retailers, grocery chains and corporations who doesn't want to get near politics and controversy of any kind, I can see Youtube wants a medium of no unnecessary vs. justified censorship of content on the platform.

That is completely fine. But then again, they should also be liable if they allow content which is breaking a law.
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If they have editorial capabilities, they should be liable for the content which is uploaded to their site (like any editorial website would). Currently, the U.S. government has created special laws which prevent this.

If they only want to be a "plataform" for people to upload or discuss content, without any form of liability for the content that is uploaded there (such as copyrighted material), then they shouldn't be able to have editorial powers.

A special protection from government isn't "capitalism", its corporate cronysm. Capitalism is about getting government out of the economy.
When the various social media companies began they were classified as providers, similar to a phone company, and according to the law (preexisting) they have special tax status because of this. They are not an editorial category, just providing the service, like the phone company who provides the line but doesn't not interfere with who you can call or what you can say. And, again according to this law, they have protection from liability as to what is said by someone using the service they provide.
Recently, however, as they have grown larger and actually gigantic, they have taken onto themselves the power to determine who does and does not use their service, what they can say etc.
Which is why Trump has been planning to change their status, removing them from protection of that law, from provider to that of an editorial service, like for example a newspaper, who can be held reliable for the opinions and articles they publish. And their advantageous tax status would disappear and they would be taxed like editors, newspapers, etc.
At the moment they are flexing their muscles with the idea that the left will be in power and allow anything, so long as it censors the right, conservatives, Trumpers, etc.

Twitter still has postings from this summer where various politicians in effect called for violence during the riots in Democratic cities, including Harris. And they are not being removed and don't run any risk of being censored.
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These social media platforms are private sector corporations. They can make their own editorial decisions.

That's also the case for broadcast news.

That's Capitalism.
But usually when people turn to social media platforms or in fact any kind of entity that dispenses information, they are generally looking to get a whole spectrum. They don't want just left-leaning news (as the kind being dispensed on major social media like facebook, twitter ..etc), they want everything.

Yes these websites can make their own editorial decisions. However, people can also exercise their power to look elsewhere for info that is less biased. This too is the power of capitalism. People "vote" by not giving their attention or money to media outlets that are hugely biased. This is one reason why sites like gab.com is gaining so much traffic.
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Re: Censorship of videos on social media

Currently CNN is putting pressure on numerous national radio hubs (sorry, not sure what the correct term is), to remove Parlar, the new provider that many conservatives have been turning to, to avoid censorship.
Censorship pure and simple.
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