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Unread 01-06-2018, 05:28 AM
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Re: Why your ascendant is probably wrong!

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All, we received a few complaints about this thread when it was in its early stages. I apologize for taking so long to address it. Because of the nuances, I wanted to discuss it with other moderators, but none have responded. Since it's now been several days, I'll address it myself.

I see that the discussion has become civil, thanks to all of you. Keep up the good work!

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Because this topic has become a discussion in its own right, I see no need to delete or move it. However, if anyone does want to offer a paid service, whether overtly or by a subtle means such as driving traffic to their own blog, which happens to link to a website where they offer their services, they may not do so in a general post.
I'll attest to this post helping me! I was using my sidereal chart but bc of this I found out how my tropical chart actually works and i love it.
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Re: Why your ascendant is probably wrong!

This is another good point. Sometimes people who feel that their charts do not fit, are using the tropical zodiac and then find that sidereal is a better match. Or they are using sidereal, and a simple move to the tropical zodiac suddenly makes the chart pop into place.
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My mom spent 12 hours in labor I had to find my spiritual birt time which is about 1hr n 40 min before I popped out. This is a sag Asc. Conjunct Pluto. It puts my sun and moon in recessive houses which is y I don't relate to them, and the mid point of the two is in Scorpio which is the sign I resonate with the most. The mid point followed then Pluto tied with Jupiter run my chart not Saturn like my old rising. I'm a Scorpio Saggitarius dominant, followed by Aires then Aquarius and then the earth signs that I couldn't relate too in my older tropical chart.
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Re: Why your ascendant is probably wrong!

The only thing that counts is the moment of first breath. Up to that moment, the child is an extension of the mother. After that moment, the child has its own being, separate from the mother.
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Re: Why your ascendant is probably wrong!

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I think there are a lot of cases where chart rectification, even given a hospital record or birth certificate, makes sense. But it isn't necessary to paste a spiritual overlay on rectification, or to question a registered birth time--timed to the minute, in order to make a rising sign meet expectations.

I vividly recall when my son was born in a hospital delivery room, there was a nurse standing by with a stop-watch.

As I noted above, a close hard aspect from another planet to the ascendant, or planets in the first house can have a big impact on how the first house plays out. We need to look at the planetary ruler of the ascendant, and its situation. If there are first house planets, what else in the chart is pinging on them? Once you've analyzed these influences, a lot of theoretically mismatched rising signs based upon cookbook delineations, simply go away.

Just for example, Libra rising is supposed to make for the gracious, if somewhat indecisive, diplomat. But we have an entire Pluto in Libra generation. Roughly 1/12 of them will have Pluto in the first house. Then some of them will be born with Mars square Pluto. And with Venus in Aries. What happens to Libra rising then? We're going to get someone who comes across as intense, and possibly combative. We don't need to "rectify" the ascendant into Scorpio just because we're not seeing the cookbook nicey-nice image of Libra in this person.
Yes, I understand. I include aspects to the ascendant, seeing as that they can have a strong influence, If you read the example part of the post you will see. I hate "cookbook" astrology as well. I look not only at appearance and demeanor, but also see how life events hold up against the angles and house cusps, and the rulers. I do recommend John Willner's books, very informative, even if you don't and never plan to believe in this concept.

Also, thanks a lot for not getting rude about this, just because we disagree.
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Re: Why your ascendant is probably wrong!

Hey Cap., Did i send you a message explaining my redrawn chart, id like you to see it and tell me what you think.
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Re: Why your ascendant is probably wrong!

Then Your whole chart is wrong
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No it's right, I can actually relate to my tropical signs now. Attached image picture for @ cap.
This picture doesn't clearly show your face shape. I need a pic that shows your face clearly, preferably with color. I don't want to turn this thread into a pic thread so if you are unable to send it through the pm, contact me through my blog.
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Ok I will do that I'm deleting that post btw.
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My mom spent 12 hours in labor
I had to find my spiritual birt time
which is
about 1hr n 40 min
before I popped out.


This is a sag Asc. Conjunct Pluto. It puts my sun and moon in recessive houses which is y I don't relate to them, and the mid point of the two is in Scorpio which is the sign I resonate with the most. The mid point followed then Pluto tied with Jupiter run my chart not Saturn like my old rising. I'm a Scorpio Saggitarius dominant, followed by Aires then Aquarius and then the earth signs that I couldn't relate too in my older tropical chart.
keep in mind the moment of first breath
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The only thing that counts
is the moment of first breath.
Up to that moment, the child is an extension of the mother.
After that moment, the child has its own being,
separate from the mother.
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This picture doesn't clearly show your face shape. I need a pic that shows your face clearly, preferably with color. I don't want to turn this thread into a pic thread so if you are unable to send it through the pm, contact me through my blog.
presumably according to your theory then
everyone has a spiritual birthchart
as well as
a time of the first breath natal chart
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Who says the soul enters the body at the first breath. Last time I checked none of us were god(s).
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Who says the soul enters the body at the first breath.
Last time I checked none of us were god(s).

Time of birth is time when child had own being
separate from the mother
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The only thing that counts
is the moment of first breath.
Up to that moment, the child is an extension of the mother.
After that moment, the child has its own being,
separate from the mother.
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Who says the soul enters the body at the first breath. Last time I checked none of us were god(s).
I think it's from the Latin word "Spiritus", which means both "breath" and "Spirit". Like in the Bible, where God creates Adam and brings him to life with his first breath.
The most prevalent alternative view is that the Soul enters the Zygote at the moment of conception (which is the religious reason for being against birth control pills). In Asia, they once used conception time for Astrology, instead of first breath. Very impractical, because who times THAT?
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I think it's from the Latin word "Spiritus", which means both "breath"
and "Spirit".
Like in the Bible, where God creates Adam and brings him to life with his first breath.
The most prevalent alternative view is
that the Soul enters the Zygote at the moment of conception
(which is the religious reason for being against birth control pills).
In Asia, they once used conception time for Astrology, instead of first breath.
Very impractical, because who times THAT?
PRENATAL EPOCH aka TRUTINE OF HERMES times that
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Your right. It's a spiritual place for me it very well could have been from one of the many times I have physically been uprooted and relocated. It's a hot spot because I see it manifested in my own life. I've even shared the traits of Pluto conjunct asc with my family who doesn't believe in astrology, they agree with all of these traits. Example my step dads mother is the closest one too me. Pluto on the asc. Has this trait often associated with. There are more however I will stop here unless further asked.
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Your right. It's a spiritual place for me it very well could have been from one of the many times I have physically been uprooted and relocated. It's a hot spot because I see it manifested in my own life. I've even shared the traits of Pluto conjunct asc with my family who doesn't believe in astrology, they agree with all of these traits. Example my step dads mother is the closest one too me. Pluto on the asc. Has this trait often associated with. There are more however I will stop here unless further asked.
Pluto on the Ascendant has a bad rap. But, isn't your Pluto more than 10 degrees above the Asc line? That would still make it an H12 placement, and might be causing problems with your ability to imagine happier possibilities.

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I'm actually pretty happy. No I connect with that rap tbh that's why I feel like a Scorpio bc i have done some unspeakable things and seen them and have had them happen too me. Most of them I've done to my friends and my chart uses the azimuth house system putting Pluto in the 11th house/house of friends...not in not comfortable with sharing most of the things I'm speaking about.
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I'd like to share something however, on New Year's Eve I read my tarot cards in combination with oracle cards. I was secrecy and justice, my environment was bold and reflective. My situation I had the face was the card strength on the oracle card of enlightenment and faith. My solution was jealousy and grudging and the fivith of cups, the card of loss. My future was transformation and good fortune. The fifth of cups is heavily associated with the first decan of Scorpio, the location of my sun/moon midpoint... I don't believe in coincidences.
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How does the Azimuth system work? Is it like moving the Asc into a due East position? Personally, I like the definition of Ascendant as being the Ecliptic where it crosses the Eastern horizon, because then it's where the Sun WOULD be if it were rising at the Ascendant location.

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Azmuith uses actually azimuiths in the sky so I'm pretty sure so it should be accurate. And the time is what puts Pluto on the Asc. Not the azimuth. I use azmuith bc it puts my sun in the 12th and moon in the eighth. My sun and moon are defiantly afflicted looking at my life events and personality. I believe if they weren't I'd agree with my tropical sun and moon sign. Either way my Sun/Moon Midpoint is in Scorpio and I think that this placement is so underrated. I mean the exact point where your emotions and ego work in harmony, they person you strive to be and the perfect meeting place for the things you want and the things you need. That is more important that the sun and the moon apart!
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Is there an Azimuth Chart method that would explain it further?
One popular Modern calculation are the Yods, which are a type of midpoint calculation, but not just Sun and Moon. Very close-Orb sextile placements at the base, opposite close-Orb placement(s) at the midpoint.
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I have't a clue to be honest. As for the yod's i don't believe i have any.
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I have't a clue to be honest. As for the yod's i don't believe i have any.
Yeah, I have one from Neptune and Pluto at the base, right to the center-point of my very close Mercury/Mars conjunction, which is why I became aware of them.
Sun-Moon midpoints are new to me, so I looked it up. It's a popular, standard, Modern calculation. That puts mine in early Pisces, and I have so much in Pisces already (Yod midpoint included), it doesn't change much for me. Sounds good for Synastry, though.
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