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david starling

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What I'm really saying is, that both Zodiacs have information to impart, including information about the Ages, but from a different angle of view.

Trying to understand how the Ages have affected the historical record requires both types of Ages.

Have you considered philosophically thinking of the Osirus-ruled Egyptian contributions as representative of an Age of Scorpio, followed by the Jupiter-ruled Greco-Roman culture as representative of an Age of Sagittarius, followed by the Western European developments from the Fall of the Roman Empire up to the present as representative of an Age of Capricorn?

If so, what would be your main objections?

Here's the timing for the tropical Ages with no guesswork, just astronomy to guide us relative to recorded history:

Age of Libra, c. 4850-3100 B.C.E. (city-states, writing, artistic monument building)

Age of Scorpio c.3100-1350 B.C.E. (mortuary culture, life after death)

Age of Sagittarius c. 1350 B.C.E.-400 A.D. (encompasses the Hellenistic Era perfectly)

Age of Capricorn c. 400-2150 A.D. (banking system, accurate timekeeping, modern science, Industrial Revolution, Capitalism)

The Ages lengths are different, with the tropical Ages about 400 years shorter than the equal-Sign sidereal Ages: ~1750 years for the tropical versus ~2150 for the sidereal.


The Tigris-Euphrates innovations occurred during an overlap of the tropical Age of Libra and the first half of the sidereal Age of Taurus.

The Egyptian culture developed during an overlapping combination of the second
half of the sidereal Age of Taurus and the tropical Age of Scorpio, resulting in the Great Pyramid, for example, which combined Earth-sign materialism with Water-sign emotional spirituality.

By the time the tropical Age of Sagittarius began, the sidereal Age of Aries was well under way, A combination of 2 Fires sign Ages.

But, the overlap of the sidereal Age of Pisces and the tropical Age of Capricorn is nearly perfect. In fact, the timeframe of the tropical Age of Capricorn is entirely contained within the timeframe of the sidereal Age of Pisces, which causes a sort of "masking effect" regarding the tropical Age.

And, as in the case of the ancient Egyptian civilization, it's an Earth/Water combination--materialism mixed with emotional spirituality.

The most important masking effect is that both Age-systems have an Age of Aquarius beginning next. Easy to mistake the more incipient tropical Aquarian Age for the sidereal Aquarian Age which begins about a couple of centuries later.
 
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david starling

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Well, he said that if this was the best that the Jupiter-ruled Piscean Age could do, the Saturn-ruled Age of Aquarius was nothing to look forward to.

I really can't fathom how any experienced astrologer can look at the Western world over the last 1800 years and characterize it as an Age of Pisces.

[Edit]: I misspoke--I meant "characterize it as an Age of Pisces [ALONE]".

It takes both types of Ages to fully describe it.
 
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david starling

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The sidereal Age of Taurus, if that's what you're talking about, was over by the time of the Exodus. Moses was taking his people into the Future, which was the Age of sidereal Aries. It required warriors, not hedonists mired in the Past.


Similarly, fleeing Egypt by crossing through the Red Sea into the hot desert, with Moses parting the waters with with a staff, is symbolic of leaving the tropical, Water-sign Age of Scorpio,and entering the tropical, Fire-sign Age of Sagittarius.

The inability of Egypt itself to make the transition (which can be seen in the failure of Akhnaton to transform the Egyptian culture around that same time period), is symbolized by the Pharoah's pursuing army drowning as the waters rushed back.

Egypt, like ancient Babylonia, became a background culture to the foreground, tropical Sagittarian Hellenistic civilizations.
 
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Oddity

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Eh, Moses was a shepherd. The sign we know as Aries was once known as The Hired Man.


And I definitely see Moses in that figure.
 

Oddity

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While we're here...you probably know the midrash that says Abraham was the first astrologer. God gave it to him to find his way out of Ur and into a new land.


Where would he fit in this scheme?


Also bringing it up to show that the ages aren't a modern concept - they just aren't terribly useful in practical prediction unless you're on the cusp of one - and even then what you can say is fairly general.
 

david starling

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While we're here...you probably know the midrash that says Abraham was the first astrologer. God gave it to him to find his way out of Ur and into a new land.


Where would he fit in this scheme?


Also bringing it up to show that the ages aren't a modern concept - they just aren't terribly useful in practical prediction unless you're on the cusp of one - and even then what you can say is fairly general.


Abraham was first to heed the call of the sidereal Age of Aries. Notice the sacrifice of the Ram in place of his son Isaac.

My take on the Ages involves the additional strength of the Age-sign rulership, and the world-wide significance of configurations involving what's contained within the Earth's Age Window. That makes this Pandemic of tremendous worldwide importance, with Saturn at the peak of its Mundane influence when this Pandemic began, domiciled in tropical Capricorn, which is now nearly in Convergence with the Earth's Age Window.

What makes the Ages so powerful, is that they operate in the same degree of the same Sign for an entire generation, about 60 years for a one degree tropical Age-generation, century after century.

Back to back, there have been only one hundred tropical Age-generations going back all the way to about 4000 B.C.E.!

We've had a change in Age-generations in 1917 (26 degrees tropical Capricorn, Mean setting), 1975 (27 degrees tropical Capricorn), and coming up next, a new tropical Age-generation in 2033, at 28 degrees Capricorn.
 
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david starling

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Odds, if you're totally convinced that Saturn is just as Malefic and powerful in tropical Aquarius as in tropical Capricorn, then you can use this Age-method to explain the terrible problems of this Age, not yet ended, and still be totally pessimistic about what the Aquarian Age will portend.

It's a win-win!
 
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david starling

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Agreed! I’ve settled in just that place. Thank you, David. Unique pessimism is somehow more biting.

🙁


Well-meaning pessimism is a win-win: If fears, doubts, and dire predictions come true, you were right all along. Feels good to be proven correct, especially if many are of the opposite opinion.

And, if those dire predictions prove to be wrong, and everything turns out to be great, you can be glad about that as well!

That's why well-meaning pessimists are never disappointed.
 

david starling

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One of my favorite expressions: "I've got a baaad feeling about this!"

Another one is retrospective, in response to the question, "Now why in H*ll did you go and do THAT?"

Ans, deadpan delivery: "Seemed like a good idea at the time!"
 
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david starling

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Here's a mean, sarcastic answer to someone who effed up, and says apologetically, "I really was trying my best."

Ans: "I know you were dear. That's what scares me!"


Here's one for when you're overconfident that an undertaking will go fine, but instead it's a complete disaster. Picture something like cutting down a tree, being certain it will fall right where you want it, but instead it lands right on your truck:

In a cheerful, upbeat way, with a big smile: "Now THAT went well!". :cool:

The alternative is screaming "Nooo", and crying.
 
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waybread

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I didn't realise you were anti-book. But hey, we all have our quirks.

Hahahahahah.:lol:

I own many more books than you do, Oddity. Both on paper and electronic.

I own hundreds of books, not counting all of the ones I surplused during recent moves. My husband is the same way. We designated a large room in our house as our home library.

The word bibliophile comes to mind.

But lets face it. Paper print media are on their way out. This also applies to declining subscriptions to newspapers and magazines, incidentally. People with something to say are increasingly skipping publishers in favor of YouTube and social media. Academics in STEM fields long ago turned to electronic journal articles, and these do not go through amazon.

Sorry, but that's what's happening.
 

waybread

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They can easily just sell the books as e-books, but they are flat out banning. Don't make excuses for amazon.

hahahahahahaha:biggrin:

Where did I make excuses for amazon?

An e-book is obviously still a book.

Where did I even hint that I approve of the present situation?

I just happen to be a realist.

Start your own media company if you don't like amazon.
 

waybread

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Wrong. I say, Voters unite. The American Constitution was founded on government for the people and by the people. It is older than Marx. You see Marx because of your impairment. We are in a rut caused by the current crop of authoritarian Marxists in Washington who are depriving the people the power that the constitution promises.

Even corporations today can advance Marxist ploys as we see with the current crop of Silicon Valley monoliths. I do not believe for a moment that they are idealistic corporations. They serve their own agenda in mysterious ways that is not in the public interests.

In your list mind, you have parked me there on your list titled, "Capitalist", because you assume yourself so far above any capitalist, and your crystallized thought suggests "will always support corporations no matter how evil" or "will always support corporations no matter how they back an authoritarian government". Your logic has failed you because it is really a collection of lists in your mind.

Republicans and Democrats and capitalists and socialists are not really categories that matter much if evil abounds in the halls of government. Such things are for list minds and reciters.

"The lady doth protest too much methinks." (Hamlet act 3 scene 2)

Cary2, it's clear that your thinking is highly socialist. You're against capitalism and greedy corporations. So was Marx. You see the state as run by authoritarians and elites protecting their own interests. So did Marx.

You hope for an overthrow of a corrupt government in favor of the masses and "little guy." So did Marx.

Your cover is blown, Comrade Cary.
 

waybread

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What about the point Oddity is making?

Book-burning, censorship, banning, stopping freedom of speech are the tools that EVERY fascist/totalitarian regime uses to control & dominate the population. It's been proven throughout history with the tragic outcomes.:crying::crying::crying:

This is why the 1st Amendment of the Constitution is the FIRST.
..that's how much importance the Founding Fathers placed on it...without which you cannot have the other rights.

What does the First Amendment say?

The First Amendment states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”



https://www.voanews.com/usa/what-first-amendment-and-what-does-it-do

Oh, great. Maybe you'd like to hunt up the lists of books banned by local library branches in your state. Apparently grey-haired ladies in sensible shoes masquerading as librarians and their local library boards are fascist tools!

[I knew it!] :annoyed:

Umm, um-- on the Constitution. Congress doesn't get to abridge freedom of speech. That's all the First Amendment says about that.

The First Amendment doesn't say private publishers, businesses, state legislatures, your employer, Daffy Duck, or Mr. Bean can't abridge your freedom of speech.

You see the difference.
 

waybread

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You have missed Cary2 point entirely. He stated we are in a war....

an INFORMATION WAR.

The Left don't want the Right to be able to express themselves. THEY want everyone to think the same, to not question anything. If you disagree with THEM you are called a liar, a conspiracy theorist or much worse.

Without Freedom of Speech there is no democracy, just......


Totalitarianism is a form of government that attempts to assert total control over the lives of its citizens. It is characterized by strong central rule that attempts to control and direct all aspects of individual life through coercion and repression.


Brittanica.com

I absolutely got Cary's point. His polemic wasn't rocket science. I don't think y'all get the irony of Cary's rhetoric actually being consistent with the writings of Karl Marx.

I might point out that the Right also doesn't want the Left to express itself. I mean, how did you feel about peaceful non-violent BLM marches? (Also protected by the First Amendment.)

Did you know you can Google the different states and find lists of books that were either banned, or where citizens tried to get books banned?

I randomly looked up Mississippi, a majority-Republican state, and found that Maya Angelou's book, I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings was banned (since reinstated.) This is an author and poet who received numerous awards for her writing-- and who happened to write about her African American Experience. https://mlc.lib.ms.us/ms-libraries/mcbi/

Moving next door to Alabama, another Republican-majority state, Alabama native Harper Lee's book, To Kill A Mocking Bird, was on the top 15 of the American Library Association's list of most banned books. Never mind that it won a Pulitzer Prize. You all know what the book was about. https://www.al.com/life/2020/09/these-alabama-authors-made-list-of-most-banned-books.html

(The Bluest Eye, by award-winning African American author Toni Morrison was #10.)

Anyway, click on the banned books link. It's an interesting list. Maybe you can find the super-conservative authors who got banned.

Which is why I think the OP concerns about rightwing authors' difficulties in getting amazon to sell their books is in need of balance in perspective.
 
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