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Much of Saturn's astrological interpretation can be traced
to its astronomical appearance and movement
As the outermost planet
extremes and boundaries of any kind fall under its influence
from mundane significations
ranging from gateposts, doors
thresholds and walls
international borders
skins
leather
teeth, bones, nails and hair
to the signification of personal limits imposed by fear, self-doubt
weakness
and lack of resource.
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Benefic and MALEFIC PLANETS in Western Astrology
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Jupiter and SATURN were called by astrologers of old
the "Great Chronocrators".
For millennia
the alignment of these two planets
has been regarded
as a significator of great social
economic
and
political watersheds - historic turning points, if you will.
hence
referred to as
"The Great Conjunction"
clearly then
Juiter Saturn conjunctions have been charted for millenia
by MUNDANE ASTROLOGERS


Jupiter's alignment with SATURN
occurs at intervals of just under 20 years
The aspect is occasionally repeated due to a retrograde
of one or both planets.
Each successive conjunction
not counting retrograde repeats
occurs at a mean advance of
approximately 243 degrees relative to its predecessor
although from one alignment to the next
this arc can vary considerably.

Every third conjunction
i.e.
once every 60 years
brings the alignment back
to its starting place, plus around 9 degrees:
this 60 year cycle is termed
FIRST ORDER RECURRENCE of the conjunction.

Every 40th conjunction - roughly once every 800 years -
brings the alignment back to within about 1 degree of its starting place:
this approximate 800 year cycle is termed SECOND ORDER RECURRENCE
aka GREAT MUTATION CYCLE



Jupiter and SATURN may both be regarded as generational planets
Jupiter takes 12 years to orbit Sun
and
Saturn takes 30 years to orbit Sun
- additionally, during their respective orbits of the Sun
Jupiter and Saturn are in conjunction only approximately every 20 years.

These specific spans of time

chime well with the accepted idea of “a generation”
being the span of time necessary before human beings are physically able
to produce a child of their own
in human terms, 'a generation' can be a variable
- that's because some produce offspring very early
and in many 'eastern' countries before their teens.

However, in 'the west' there is a tendency to initially focus on 'career'
before then producing offspring later in the 30's.
The middle ground would be those producing offspring in their 20's.
Based on those rather "rough and ready" spans of time then:

(1) A twelve year Jupiter orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at an age considered in 'the west'
very young - i.e. 12

(2) A thirty year Saturn orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at what is considered in 'the west'
to be a 'more responsible age' - i.e. 30

(3) A combination of the two planets in regular 20 year Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions

then represent the 'middle-ground' - i.e. 19/20

USUALLY a generation
averages about 25 years from the birth of a parent to the birth of a child
- although it varies case by case
it is generally accepted that the length of a generation
was closer to 20 years in earlier times
when humans mated younger
and life expectancies were shorter











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and Byzantine
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for beginners to traditional astrology

the title of this thread is

SATURN is sole DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS
do not be misled by the following comment on another thread:

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There is this idea in traditional astrology that the Sun rules the solar half of the zodiac, and the Moon rules the lunar half. They split the cosmos ruling as king and queen. The Sun in the solar half can never be peregrine. The Moon in the lunar half can never be peregrine.

The brilliance and influence of the luminaries overpowers even all of the other planets combined.

Guess which side Aquarius is on?


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Saturn rules Aquarius because in ancient times

Saturn was the boundary between the real world
and the world of spirits.
Saturn was the only planet with rings
and these rings gave Saturn a portal to the higher realms.
For this reason Saturn ruled all forms of magic
and ruled the transition from mortal to immortal life.

The ring system was described as "the ring pass, not pass "
dividing line between the spirit world and the real world.
As such the attributes we give Aquarius
were in the domain of Saturn.

Saturn is the adept, those who know how to manipulate the
highest planes of existence.
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As I said, Saturn was historically
the boundary between the mundane world
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I'm getting ready for my Saturn return (Aquarius 7H) in the next few days...
Any advice?

This thread is on our Traditional board
and I notice you are new to our forum - welcome!
and so
do read the rules of our traditional board
which are at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=120411
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HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY


"It's a good thing" for any planet that is of the sect in favor



If a planet is not of the sect in favor
then
it is the wrong time of day for the planet.


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

is not of the sect in favor in NIGHT charts



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Traditional Rulerships


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

Direction:
All air signs relate to the west.
Aquarius relates to west by north.


Anatomy:
Aquarius governs the shins and ankles
and through its rulership by SATURN
relates generally to the bones, teeth, joints and skeletal structure.

As an air sign
AQUARIUS has some rulership over circulation of the blood
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SATURN depicts someone who is characterised by
austerity or seriousness.
If Saturn is dignified and well placed, they are inclined to think before they speak
and as a consequence their words carry weight.
Such a person is not to be lightly dismissed
Lilly describes Saturnine types as profound in imagination, severe in acts,
in labour patient, in arguing or disputing grave
in obtaining the goods of this life studious and solicitous.
Their sense of humour is dry and earthy
based on observing the reality of life
They seldom throw caution to the wind
and are always aware of a sense of responsibility to themselves and others.
They do not display their emotions easily
but their emotions, like their imaginations, can be profound.
Such individuals are observably deep, sincere
and generally gather respect.
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'....SATURN signifies fraud
and affliction and difficulty and loss
also ancestors and what is left behind by the dead, mourning
and being orphaned, and old things.....'
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PLANETS DIGNIFIED IN AQUARIUS




SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is dignified
not only
by sign
but also
is dignified in diurnal charts
ss daytime triplicity ruler Aquarius

MERCURY is dignified in nocturnal charts as night-time triplicity ruler.


Planets Debilitated in Aquarius = Sun by DETRIMENT





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I use Rumen Kolevs parans software

https://www.babylonianastrology.com/

Paranatellonta are stars or star groups that fall upon angles
at the same time that a significant constellation

or

planet

such as for example
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

is also upon the angles.
They are viewed as attendants.
In ancient astrology the term was also applied to the constellations that ascended
with the zodiacal decans.
the term Paran (short for Paranatellonta)
is generally used to describe
stars or planets that are angular as a planet hits the ascendant, MC, Descendant or IC.

For example, the parans of SATURN would be

those stars or planets
that were rising, culminating, descending

or located upon the IC
at the same time that SATURN is in any or those positions.


Thus if the fixed star Regulus culminates on the Midheaven as SATURN rises on the ascendant
it is referred to as a paran of SATURN
and considered to have an influence upon its meaning.
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Mercury onto SATURN favorably placed increase reputation

and bring acquisition,
harm enemies, provide benefits from ancient unions, trade and matters.
When unfavorably placed, they indicate lawsuits, unemployment,
debt, harm from friends, servants and treachery.





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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
and WHOLE SIGN HOUSES
Joseph Crane author of "A Practical Guide to Traditional Astrology"

shares with us his journey
through using house systems
then using no houses at all
and ultimately why he switched to Whole Sign Houses
and why you should do the same.

This conversation is timely, necessary
and brings up challenging considerations
but it also contains a rich and futuristic vision
of what Astrology can be
and
where we are going as a community
and
Why You should Switch to Whole Sign Houses
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SATURN, Jupiter and Sun rejoice by day
Diurnal stars rejoice with diurnal images

Domiciles, exaltations, winds, bounds and configurations
control universal harmony
SATURN is exalted with Libra

and

depressed with Aries


Stars with their domiciles, exaltations and bounds
are always good
when benefic, they are better
when malefic, they are less bad.
Those who have many favorable placements
have distinguished nativities


Leo, Sagittarius, Aries - Sun, Jupiter, SATURN - NORTH WIND

Libra, AQUARIUS, Gemini - SATURN, Mercury, Jupiter - EAST WIND

Stars control the four divine winds.
They become good whenever the houserulers are ascending
or are post-ascending and favorably placed.
The first ruler is diurnal
the second is nocturnal
and the third is cooperating.
Changeover of the whole trigon occurs with the
completion of the rising time
and the recurrence years of the predominating houseruler
handing over to the other ruler.


In nativities, MALEFICS are better when they are post-ascending
for then they do not harm the stars and images that are ascending.
They are best when ascending and favorably placed
for then they bring good fortune.

And configurations are very strong within three degrees
SATURN and Mars are very bad with presence within three degrees
and
with tetragon and diameter rays
while Jupiter and Venus intervene with presence and all rays
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The illnesses of SATURN

are those proceeding from



cold, old age, melancholy or depressed spirits.
The pain associated with Saturn illnesses is dull and aching
rather than sharp or burning.
The fevers are those that involve alternating periods of chills
or a fit of shivering, such as malaria.
The damage of Saturn's illnesses tends towards a progressive wasting of tissue.
These include arthritis, rheumatism, depression, consumption,
colds, chills and flu
and all illnesses that involve muscle fatigue, difficulty in breathing
and watery discharges from the nose and eyes,
strokes, paralysis or palsy, bruises and dark marks
chronic illnesses, coughs, dropsy, starvation
morbid fantasies, fears and nightmares, gout, gangrene, haemorrhoids
defects to the hearing, leprosy, miscarriage, scabbiness, scabies and lice
infections of the skin, and illnesses arising from poisons
or damage to the spleen, teeth or bones
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One question for clarification:

You said “Operative is angular or succedent (post-ascending)”
. Do you mean Operative is succedent?

Since Ascending here already means angular?


Operative (chrematistikos) in the Hellenistic tradition referred to both the angular and succedent places. In the sample, this would basically mean I gave two points for an angular Light, 1 for succedent and 0 for cadent. This is generally how it is treated traditionally, although there is some slight ambiguity to how operative are the succedents compared to the angles, whether it is a 50% strength, something like 66% or the like. Generally though, they are treated as operative along with the angles, while the cadents are noted as completely useless. So it may have been just a two-grade consideration, and it actually sometimes feels that way.

Note that the operative places according to some authors are different. These authors think that the 2nd and 8th place are worse than the 9th because of no aspect, but I disagree.

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Lastly, you said the Master of the Nativity holds great powers in the Egyptian tradition. Could you recommend some sources so I can look into this? Thank you.
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Petosiris seems to have defined the place perfectly, even though he spoke in mystic riddles: “The beginning, the end, the controller, and the measurement standard of the whole is the houseruling star of each nativity: it makes clear what kind of person the native will be, what kind of basis his livelihood will have, what his character will be, what sort of body <=health and appearance> he will have, and all the things that will accompany him in life. Without this star nothing, neither occupation nor rank, will come to anyone.”
Valens later disagrees, saying ''But, how is it possible for a nativity to succeed in everything or, on the other hand, to fail in everything, depending just on the houserulership of just one star?'' - Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. -
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf - page 54

Valens quotes Nechepso and Petosiris frequently, in two places they referred to the Lot of Fortune as place (the Lots were associated with whole signs/houses) from which ''the whole can be seen'' - ruling place, powerful and controlling.





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with the exception of the two luminaries Sun and Moon
the remaining five classical planets
traditionally have dual rulerships

Diurnal, Masculine
and
Nocturnal, Feminine domiciles.

and so

SATURN - Aquarius - Diurnal and Masculine

SATURN - Capricorn - Nocturnal and Feminine.




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Medieval alchemists
ascribed to the planet Saturn
a gloomy and slow character
SATURNINE is a word rarely used

When people are called SATURNINE
and/or have SATURNINE dispositions
they are often described as:
- brooding, bitter, obsessive
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THEMA MUNDI in Hellenistic astrology
illustrates positions of the seven visible classical planets
at the beginning of the universe
tsmall commented that
if you look at the Thema Mundi 4th house
Libra
is ruled by Venus
one of the traditional significations of the mother
also Libra is the exaltation of SATURN.
SATURN (the father) has natural affinity with 4th
and
is exalted by Venus
in the house that signifies "home/roots"
also gives us Saturn's affiliation with death
as the 4th represents death among other significations

Thema Mundi literally a teaching tool for astrologers.
as an illustration of reasons for the domicile rulers
the exaltations, the planetary joys
the nature of the aspects, sect


Douglas Noblehorse article extract
“....The Thema Mundi is a Hellenistic Era Natural Wheel
that illustrates fundamental astrological principles.
In addition, it reveals the inner geometrical elegance
that gives these fundamentals their meaning and definition...."





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Apotelesmatika


1. Powers

SATURN is cooling and moderately drying


2. Qualities

SATURNn and Mars are maleficent



17. Depressions

Aries is heating depression of SATURN
CaAPRICORN is southern depression of Jupiter


27. Qualities

Saturn predominating indicates destruction by cold, with long illnesses, consumptions, withering, disturbances caused by fluids, rheumatisms, quartan fevers, falling, exile, poverty, imprisonment, mourning, fears, and deaths, especially among those advanced in age, scarcity and destruction of useful animals by disease, fearful cold, freezing, misty and pestilential corruption of air, clouds, gloom, multitude of destructive snowstorms, abundance of harmful reptiles, storms, the wreck of fleets, disastrous voyages, scarcity and death of fish, high and ebb tides of the seas, the excessive floods of rivers and pollution of their waters, want, scarcity and loss of crops, especially of those grown for necessary uses, through worms or locusts or floods or cloud-burst or hail, and the like




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