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What would be the meaning of MC in Aquarius and having Saturn directly on top of the asc? (Ruler of 10th in 1st)
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generously FREE from Charlie Obert
at
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2018/...YNlDgSz2m19brA

astrologer Charles Obert
explains the concept of essential dignities and debilities
and how they are used
to determine the condition of a planet in an astrological chart.
such as for example
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


synthesizing chart factors in the process of analysis
calls us to consider many factors.

Traditionally, one of the most important is
to consider the strength and dignity of the planets.


UNDERSTANDING PLANETARY DIGNITY AND DEBILITY
https://www.skyscript.co.uk/dignities.html

The 'benefics' are not constant sources of good fortune
the 'malefics' are not always damaging
nor is it fair to assume that all planets express an equal importance
at all times

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Josdph Crane says
the Greeks had no concept of combustion
"...Traditional astrologers are familiar with the idea of “combustion”:
if a planet is within eight degrees of the Sun, it is burnt up by the Sun
and is in a weakened condition.
Although this concept does not appear in the Hellenistic tradition
its origin may be in the depiction of

a planet sunken within the Sun’s beams.

Does Saturn, being in a “sunken” condition
imply
that Saturn is no good as a planet for the native?

If so, this might be a particular problem
if Saturn, SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
governs many planets in Capricorn as well as Aquarius..."

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-in Western traditional, Saturn is associated with the element earth
(thus Saturn as dispositor of earthy Capricorn)

-in the Vedic tradition, however,
Saturn is associated with the element air
(thus Saturn as dispositor of airy Aquarius)

Could Saturn be a double-element planet (earth + air)?

There is some tradition about Mercury being a double
(earth + water; air + earth)...

-then there is the theory
of the original attribution of sign "rulerships"
based on planet's relationship to the Sun:
ie,
: for the outward spread of planets going from the Sun:
Sun = Leo,
next planet Mercury = next sign Virgo,
then Venus = next sign Libra,
then Mars = Scorpio,
then Jupiter = Sagittarius,
then (final on the outward spread) Saturn = Capricon

+Then starting from the outer limit coming back toward the Sun:
: outermost (traditional planet) Saturn = Aquarius,
then next planet
(coming back inward-sunward-from Saturn) is Jupiter = Pisces,
then next planet coming sunward is Mars = Aries,
then next planet coming sunward is Venus = Taurus,
next planet coming sunward is Mercury = Gemini,
and finally a jot toward the earth, with Moon = Cancer

(Sun to Moon via the circuit of the solar system,
Leo outward through signs,
then back inward through signs, Leo to Cancer)
Could be why
(or another reason why)
Saturn allocated to Capricorn and to Aquarius,
in the olden times...
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AN EXAMPLE OF ZODIACAL RELEASING TO USE AS A TEMPLATE
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The reverse is also true, overfeeling can lead to underthinking.
Mirror images
I - children of parents, friends of relatives, relatives of friends, husband of wife, parents of children
II - friends of parents, suffering of relatives, parents of friends, property of wife, fortune of children
III - suffering of parents, siblings of relatives, fortune of friends, travel of wife, injury of children
IV - siblings of parents, livelihood of relatives, injury of friends, action of wife, wives of children
V - livelihood of parents, relatives of relatives, wives of friends, friends of wife, property of children
VI - relatives of parents, parents of relatives, property of friends, suffering of wife, travel of children
VII - parents of parents, fortune of relatives, travel of friends, siblings of wife, children of children
VIII - fortune of parents, injury of relatives, children of friends, livelihood of wife, friends of children
IX - injury of parents, wives of relatives, friends of friends, relatives of wife, suffering of children
X - grandchildren of parents, property of relatives, suffering of friends, parents of wife, siblings of children
XI - property of parents, travel of relatives, siblings of friends, fortune of wife, livelihood of children
XII - travel of parents, action of relatives, livelihood of friends, injury of wife, relatives of children

Is it possible to avoid infinite regress of relatives in the odd numbered signs?
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Moderation in moderation leads to more moderation, not extremes actually.

This is why the mean is best virtue in some Eastern philosophies
and according to Aristotle. It is active, not passive
Moderately moderate = extremely moderate
The word you are looking for is immoderate.


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The opposite of exaltation (heightened) is depression (low height), but the language being used is in terms of height. The Sun is highest in Aries, and lowest in Libra. It is lower in Leo than Cancer as well, but it has affinity through domicile. - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...postcount=5779


The opposite of the exaltation is depression. The Greek hypsoma imply literal latitude. Pliny and Valens treat those as literal latitude. Ptolemy appears to be the first source with a completely seasonal rationale, perhaps he was aware of some technical flaw in the epicyclic theory.

Another fragment from the Michigan papyrus:
''Still other ethereal constellations revolve in their own circles. The Sun is in apogee in Gemini; Venus is in perigee in Pisces and in apogee in Virgo; Jupiter is in apogee in Cancer and in perigee in Capricorn'' - see Michigan Papyri, Vol III, Papyri in the University of Michigan Collection, Miscellaneous Papyri, Ed. John Garret Winter, University of Michigan Press, Ann Arbor, MI, 1936. Translation by F.E. Robbins.

Note that there is some inconsistency with the epicyclic theory since the Sun has apogee in Gemini (and is changing but they did not know about that until the Middle Ages) from a geocentric perspective. Perhaps the Sun and the Moon exaltations are seasonal (in the Babylonian zodiac) while the others are related to stations, and as such were then integrated into the epicyclic theories by the Greeks.

If the other five planets exaltations are related to epicyclic perigree and apogee, they were not meant to be used in a tropical zodiac due to how revolutions work (they do not have precession as noted by Ptolemy in Almagest 9.6). Last edited by petosiris; 11-04-2018 at 07:52 PM.


That is how the Greeks conceptualized them anyways, it has nothing to do with emotional considerations having precedence over rank and power, lol.

One can easily spot that Libra and Sagittarius are the domiciles of the benefics, yet adjacent to the planets' depression. The domicile definitely takes precedence to the placement by adjacency, yet the adjacency still takes some power away from the planets. Exaltations are better than domiciles, contrary to what some people think. If Mars in Aries is +4 from domicile and -1 from masculine sign, then Venus in Libra is +2 since it is a masculine sign (-1) and adjacent to its depression (-2). Venus still rejoices in Libra, but not as much as in Taurus and especially Pisces.
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I made the following image to illustrate this cosmos.
At the center lies the moistening Earth
around which the sphere of the zodiac
and the seven spheres carrying the seven stars
revolve in circular and uniform motion.

According to the opinion of some
this movement is concentric (Eudoxus, Aristotle, the Moors),
according to Ptolemy and others it is uniform and eccentric.





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Published under Open Access, literally days ago
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'A Note on the Indian Planetary Exaltations and their Greek-Language Sources'.
https://journals.library.ualberta.ca...rticle/view/66


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1. The gods send signs to all nations, but they are not interpret the same for the different lands,
for one they signify hot weather, for another they signify cold weather,
and for third they signify temperate weather.

2. In the same way, the like-principles of rising times and daylight
become less discernible and causative in the equatorial zones.

3. Therefore another celestial influence is causative for nativities,
rather than the terrestrial effect of weather.
Otherwise, there would be no domicile, no exaltation
and no depression for the equatorial lands.

4. The rationale of the sidereal zodiac is compatible with this hypothesis
the rationale of the tropical zodiac is not.






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Saturn is sometimes about old matters, tradition, black magic
and superstition.

'....Therefore, the nature of Saturn is cold, dry, melancholic, dark, of heavy harshness.
And perhaps he will be cold [and] moist, heavy, of stinking odor
and he is of much eating and true esteem.
And he signifies works of moisture and the cultivation of land
and peasants,
and village companions, and the settlement of lands...'
Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
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'...SATURN signifies magicians and masters of discord
and low-class men and eunuchs. And he signifies a great length of thought
and a scarcity of speaking and the knowledge of secrets
and one does not know what is in his mind
nor does a wise person make disclosures to him
about every obscure matter.
And he signifies austerity and the ascetics of religions....'
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Let me read some significations of Saturn when controlling the soul

according to Ptolemy:

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but if his position is the opposite and without dignity, he makes them sordid, petty, mean-spirited, indifferent, mean-minded, malignant, cowardly, diffident, evil-speakers, solitary, tearful, shameless, superstitious, fond of toil, unfeeling, devisers of plots against their friends, gloomy, taking no care of the body.
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Saturn, allied with Jupiter... superstitious, frequenters of shrines
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Allied with Venus in honourable positions Saturn makes his subjects haters of women, lovers of antiquity, solitary, unpleasant to meet, unambitious, hating the beautiful, envious, stern in social relations, not companionable, of fixed opinions, prophetic, given to the practice of religious rites, lovers of mysteries and initiations, performers of sacrificial rites, mystics, religious addicts, but dignified and reverent, modest, philosophical, faithful in marriage,
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...os/3D*.html#13

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...os/3D*.html#13

Saturn seems quite religious to Ptolemy.
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Or maybe it is more cultural you know. At the place and time of Ptolemy, almost all cults involved sacrifices, and everyone was more or less involved in such, especially cults of rulers. That is why over half of the personality results in the chapter involve religion, Saturn and Mercury more than others, Jupiter is related to religion in moderation, as it fits dignified people.
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concept of "essential dignities" in astrology
looking in-depth at the categories of rulership

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detriment or exile
as well as exaltation

and fall aka depression.
acommon misconceptions about planetary dignities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvDQiISa7SY


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The Origins of the EXALTATIONS: A New Discovery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHRBCSfV300


astrologers Chris Brennan and Benjamin Dykes unveil a new discovery

about the origins of the exaltations
derived from a lost Hermetic text preserved by Abu Ma'shar.
Paula Belluomini made a number of diagrams to illustrate the concepts
so I would recommend watching the video.
Ben plans to publish his translation of the Great Introduction by Abu Ma'shar
sometime in the next few months, his website to receive a notification when that is released: https://bendykes.com

Last summer Keiji Yamamoto and Charles Burnett released
their long-awaited translation of The Great Introduction to Astrology
by the 9th century astrologer Abu Ma'shar.
This was the first time this text has been translated into English in its entirety.
Abu Ma'shar frequently cites a lost Greek text
attributed to Hermes Trismegistus.
This appears to be the same text called the Panaretos
that the 4th century astrologer Paulus Alexandrinus drew on
for his treatment of seven planets Lots
although Abu Ma'shar shares much more from the text than Paulus did.


The Hermes material preserved by Abu Ma'shar contains a set of rationales
for the domicile and exaltation schemes
that are unique
and it seems to preserve what may be the original conceptual rationales
for both of those schemes.
The exaltations chapter in particular
provides a much more detailed explanation for the exaltations than any I've ever seen
and it is also unique because
it provides an astronomical rationale for the exaltations degrees
not just the signs of exaltation and fall.

Arguments for the domiciles and exaltations presented by this text
are based firmly rooted in the tropical zodiac
and this raises some major questions about previous assumptions
that the exaltations had their origins in the sideral zodiac
and the earlier Mesopotamian tradition.
The discovery also raises questions
about the extent to which Hellenistic astrology
and western astrology in general
partially represents a sudden invention or technical construct
that was put together sometime around the 1st century BCE.
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saturn is the furthest traditional planet from the sun.

.....the sun rules leo.

saturn rules aquarius because it's furthest from the sun,
and
the coldest planet.
aquarius is rigid, cold, dogmatic, impersonal
- that seems to fit saturnian energy pretty well.

saturn diametrically opposes the sun,
which also makes sense here.
that's the actual why in trad astrology.
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