Can Anyone Help With Unsure Birth Time?

jahoilett

Member
Hi Everyone,

Does anyone know of a way to interpret astrology when a birth time is unsure? The info isnt listed on my birth certificate. I've spoken to both of my parents and only my dad told me that I was born sometime around 3pm on October 21, 1979. My mom doesnt remember a thing. Lol

The real bummer is that I'm very interested in astrology but I've never been able to produce a chart I can say is actually "me".

Is there a way to overcome this?

Thanks
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi Everyone,

Does anyone know of a way to interpret astrology when a birth time is unsure?
The info isnt listed on my birth certificate.
I've spoken to both of my parents and only my dad told me that I was born sometime around 3pm on October 21, 1979.
My mom doesnt remember a thing. Lol

The real bummer is that I'm very interested in astrology
but I've never been able to produce a chart I can say is actually "me".

Is there a way to overcome this?

Thanks
There's an astrological technique known as RECTIFICATION :smile:
as usual every astrologer has their own favoured method
there's a thread discussion on the topic
RECTIFICATION TIPS
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51626
 

waybread

Well-known member
Welcome to the forum. If you were born in the US or another developed country, see if your county or municipality recorder's office has a longer form birth certificate. It is fairly common in the US for there to be a short form and a long form. Find out how births were registered where you were born.

Then start with 3:00 pm, if you can't find anything more accurate. Does the rising sign seem to fit you? Did the moon change signs on your birth date, and if so, does one seem more like you than the other one?

If you want to post your 3:00 pm horoscope (the easiest ones to read are at www.astro.com) we can try to work with it.
 

jahoilett

Member
Welcome to the forum. If you were born in the US or another developed country, see if your county or municipality recorder's office has a longer form birth certificate. It is fairly common in the US for there to be a short form and a long form. Find out how births were registered where you were born.

Then start with 3:00 pm, if you can't find anything more accurate. Does the rising sign seem to fit you? Did the moon change signs on your birth date, and if so, does one seem more like you than the other one?

If you want to post your 3:00 pm horoscope (the easiest ones to read are at www.astro.com) we can try to work with it.

Thanks for that lead! I'll try that route. To answer your questions...In fact, the moon changed to scorpio on that day, so I was born on the new moon. Ive actually printed charts for 3pm, 315pm, 330pm and 345pm but alas, I'm no astrologer. lol. Thanks for offering to help. I'll post my chart later.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Thanks for that lead! I'll try that route. To answer your questions...
In fact, the moon changed to scorpio on that day, so I was born on the new moon.
Ive actually printed charts for 3pm, 315pm, 330pm and 345pm but alas, I'm no astrologer. lol.
Thanks for offering to help. I'll post my chart later.
So what time did the moon change to scorpio that day? :smile:
 

jahoilett

Member
Here they are: 3:00pm, 3:15pm and 3:30pm. I hope someone can help me with this.
 

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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
by the way
for physical appearance the ascendant and/or rising sign
as well as planets aspecting
are important influences on appearance
There are however, many other factors as well
:smile:

Main Rulerships of 1st House


Life, vitality and health.

Stature, colour, complexion, form and shape of body.

Older sources note its influence upon the intellect,
the way the mind works, and speech.
In general, the first house represents the focal point for the personality and manner of expression.

As well as describing the physical appearance,
the condition of this house and that of its planetary ruler
indicates the level of personal vitality and strength
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html
 

jahoilett

Member
I didnt get into the time source, just kinda took his word for it but since he doesn't know the exact time, he probably didn't look at his watch. He might just be thinking in terms of circumstances surrounding my birth, like maybe he was watching his favorite show on TV which started at 2:30pm, when my mom called out...y'know something like that. LOL
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
I didnt get into the time source, just kinda took his word for it
but since he doesn't know the exact time, he probably didn't look at his watch.
He might just be thinking in terms of circumstances surrounding my birth,
like maybe he was watching his favorite show on TV which started at 2:30pm, when my mom called out...
y'know something like that. LOL
That's exactly the way forward now, so check that out with him :smile:
and maybe you can narrow it down some more
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
sometime around 3pm or slightly before
Unless your father got morning and afternoon reversed,
you are definitely a Tropical Scorpio Moon :smile:
That's because when I viewed your 3PM chart, the moon is closer to 6 degrees Scorpio
than 5 degrees Scorpio
and since the average motion of the moon is one degree per two hours
- although moon is faster/slower travel on different days, dependent on various factors
so
seems the moon changed signs early hours of that day
around 03:00AM
 

tenacapcious

Well-known member
Can you tell me anything about being a scorpio moon? Does being born on a new moon factor into its influence?

I'm not an astrologer, but I do think Lunar phase is something to consider. At least, I and others I've discussed this with, think the descriptions for our Lunar phases fit us, but then everyone with the same Moon sign, still has an individual natal chart. So I don't know if anyone can say anything conclusive.

Sorry, I can't remember the source, but I've read somewhere that being born under a New Moon can give one "Martian energy". Both of my parents have a natal Aries Moon and we're emotionally very different with my New Moon occurring in Capricorn, but I'm quite impulsive and excitable, easily bored and distracted, but also stubborn. I don't hold grudges and I tend to move on from bad stuff, pretty quickly. So for me, the New Moon descriptions I've read, seem pretty spot on. On the other hand, I can be driven to great focus, determination and stay a course with a long game in sight. But that's probably not very apparent to others on day-to-day matters.

I don't want to steal your thread completely. Here's just one link I found:

http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/lunarphases.html

Some calculators get the Lunar phase right, but my Moon sign wrong. So that's why I've not posted links to that.
 
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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Can you tell me anything about being a scorpio moon?
Does being born on a new moon factor into its influence?
A Moon in the SIGN of SCORPIO has MARS as ruler :smile:
and

each Scorpio Moon differs

dependent on the sign location of the natal Mars
as well as on the house location of the natal Mars
and
aspects to and from Mars by other natal planets

i.e.

keep in mind that:



A PLANET acts.




A HOUSE shows the area of life in which a planet acts


as well as
how strongly a planet can act




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and


A SIGN shows the quality of a planet's expression.



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so then

working from that idea
one can build on it




by i.e.

- selecting a natal planet
Locating which house the natal planet is in
Assessing how comfortable the natal planet is in that natal sign
Checking what the planet rules in the natal chart

An understanding of planetary dignity and debility
is useful for assessing how comfortable a planet is in a particular sign


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HOW TO READ PTOLEMYS DIGNITIES WITH TABLE http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html



there's a useful FREE online resource on PLANETS
for example SUN
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sun.html

SIGNS
for example SCORPIO
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/scorpio.html


HOUSES
for example 1st House
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html


and then
with that information

keep in mind that:

Fixed Stars are a little known area
that add useful detail

FIXED STAR INFO from renowned expert Anne Wright FREE at http://constellationsofwords.com/Fixedstars.htm



FIXED STARS IN NATAL ASTROLOGY
http://constellationsofwords.com/cat...atalrobson.htm



2015 EPHEMERIS FILES :smile: TO CHECK CURRENT LOCATION OF TRANSITING PLANETS http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2015.pdf


FREE ONLINE EPHEMERIS FOR 9000 YEARS at
http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm
 

jahoilett

Member
Wow! That was alot to digest...but from what I could gather, my chart shows that my natal Mars is in Leo in the seventh house. How does that influence my Scorpio Moon?

The rest is a bit over my head. Lol
 

tenacapcious

Well-known member
Wow! That was alot to digest...but from what I could gather, my chart shows that my natal Mars is in Leo in the seventh house. How does that influence my Scorpio Moon?

The rest is a bit over my head. Lol

They appear to square each other, if I'm looking at your chart right. The signs are certainly square. It's early morning here, I don't think I should venture into explaining how that hard aspect could work out for you.

I know some astrologers warn against interpreting any one aspect by itself in a chart, but if it were me who had any doubts about what an aspect could mean, then I'd simply google Ie. " Moon square Mars".
 

Kitchy

Banned
Hello -

Look at where the light shines in the person and where darkness falls What house areas? What makes them feel alive and strong and what makes them feel most fear or fear of loss? What house areas does that suggest as a starting point? Sun and Moon. If ou know the day and year and place - you can look up the GMT ephemeris and you'll see that there is only one or possibly two moon signs for that day - according to position of sun in sky.
At morning, more is visible of sun and at night, more is visible of moon in the chart. This is what I learned about figuring out a person's chart with uncertain times. Also - where mercury is in relation to moon is in a person's chart will have a lot to do with their asking. Curiosity never asks the wrong question. Where does the person put their hands in their pockets and sink their feet into the ground? 2nd house.

It's a puzzle and some astrolgers are really good at it. Especially the forensic astrologers because they examine the past.
 
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