Neptune in 1st house

Skillcoil said:

I think it affects appearance if its in the first house also. About my perception of her, it ties into her personality also. I wouldnt usually say something like that about someone, I think shes okay looking. I dont know why many refer to her as if shes the embodiment of Neptune in the first house, she used it well for financial gain but the potential could be used for better reasons.

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Neptune can make us seem myopic or slightly drugged even when we are not. The eyes can have a faraway look and a slightly lost air can make others want to protect and guide. Others may want to take advantage of the vulnerability of course. They can be deceptive and also alluring. There can be a real sensitivity to substances and alcohol and chemicals. This is only the surface impression when in the 1st house and the persona or image which may or may not be indicative of the true person. Something in the early days of childhood was secret,
there may have been a strongly drugged birth but these people are usually quite photogenic as their faces reflect a sort of light or glow.

Caro said:

Danni Minogue has neptune in 1st - she has a more glamourous image that her sister Kylie the girl next door. Danni did nude shoot for Playboy(never saw the pics!) she has a difficult public persona though. As a judge on x factor she has been ridiculed. She seems to have recovered recently but said of that time 'she did not know how to defend herself' so withdrew and gave a cold outer face. She is scorpio rising with Sagi neptune with planets in 12th house..

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Ooh that figures. I've always felt that Dannii while being more conventionally attractive than Kylie, actually has a coldness about her. Her face doesn't show any real emotion to me, it's like plastic (and that's before botox became in vogue!)

Moment of insight - it's because when you smile genuinely it shows around your eyes. Hers are just fake smiles, nothing more. At least that's the public view that we see. She may be more relaxed in company.

Claire19 said:

Neptune is really the seductive glamourous planet and you may feel you fade into the background sometimes. Often wearing pale colours and those of the sea can make you chameleon like. In Scorpio you would have a subtle magnetism. The aspects of course give us the full picture. Sometimes a sense of personal identity has to be worked on and you can be buffeted about by the vibes in your environment. Setting boundaries and protecting yourself from the negativity in the atmosphere is a very good idea. This can be done with a mantra that you repeat until you feel safe and anchored.

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Really? That would explain why some men say that it to me (well, they did in the past - not too much lately. hehe). Seductive, glamorous, magnetic, mysterious - I guess it is Neptune/Scorpio combo - all in my first house. My chart is at the bottom. My aspect descriptions I have read do say things similar.

Claire19 said:

Neptune can make us seem myopic or slightly drugged even when we are not. The eyes can have a faraway look and a slightly lost air can make others want to protect and guide. Others may want to take advantage of the vulnerability of course. They can be deceptive and also alluring. There can be a real sensitivity to substances and alcohol and chemicals. This is only the surface impression when in the 1st house and the persona or image which may or may not be indicative of the true person. Something in the early days of childhood was secret,
there may have been a strongly drugged birth but these people are usually quite photogenic as their faces reflect a sort of light or glow.

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Too many drugs at birth? lol! Well, that could be possible. Yes, I have a "faraway" look in my eyes. (posted my pic on the thread). So, maybe this is why some people think they can take advantage of me - because of what I look like? Interesting because my personality doesn't suggest it at all - and they figure that out after they get to know me - I am a pretty strong, no nonsense girl that can read people very easily. (haha - they are shocked at that!) I guess the Scorpio Rising doesn't scare away the "take advantage" types.

Caro said:

I do lots of protective work and there is certain places I just dont go (ie pubs and clubs)
Oh I have an acute sense of smell , I think is better than my vision.

Unfortunately Im not photogenic

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Funny I love pubs and clubs I think because I feel like I blend in in them - but some people still notice me away - scorpio rising. I like to people watch too.

About the photogentic thing - funny too - I feel I am only photogenic in real film pictures - the digital camara makes me look horrible - unless I take the pic through a mirror than I look like me. I don't think Neptunes photo well digitally - maybe because digitals can't capture our other worldliness. But I never fully like any of my pics anyhow - the Virgo in me in too critical. Just don't take any at all I say - and burn the rest! But everyone else says I am photogenic, bleech - If I look like my digital pictures I may kill myself. LOL! I always tell them, they need some glasses. hehe.

in digital I look awful. I think all the water in my chart shows in my body and comes across in a photo. I look lumpy but Im not overweight for height etc, but look so ina photo.

I definetely suit hot dry climates as someof the water mus evaporate and I take a reasonable photo there.

QF - do you think you are just not aware of how much of the environment you are taking on board? you have sagi moon which absorbs stuff too.
I have a friend a virgo sun with moon in 1st in sagi but she is also sagi rising. she also appears invisible but she just absorbs stuff particularly around her heart. she is never ill a work addict saturn in sixth. but sometimes I think there is a pressure cooker there ticking away.

what ever your sign chart etc protection is good but with neptune in first I would say 'dont leave home without it'

i was looking at your chart for some aqua cos when I read your reply I thought there was some aqua/air there but there isnt. anyway you have north node in pisces with the jupiter transit just gone over this.
I have chiron at 23 degree pisces. You might want to read up on north node.

hmm the long and short of this is I dont think you are grounded.......

Caro said:

in digital I look awful. I think all the water in my chart shows in my body and comes across in a photo. I look lumpy but Im not overweight for height etc, but look so ina photo.

I definetely suit hot dry climates as someof the water mus evaporate and I take a reasonable photo there.

QF - do you think you are just not aware of how much of the environment you are taking on board? you have sagi moon which absorbs stuff too.
I have a friend a virgo sun with moon in 1st in sagi but she is also sagi rising. she also appears invisible but she just absorbs stuff particularly around her heart. she is never ill a work addict saturn in sixth. but sometimes I think there is a pressure cooker there ticking away.

what ever your sign chart etc protection is good but with neptune in first I would say 'dont leave home without it'

i was looking at your chart for some aqua cos when I read your reply I thought there was some aqua/air there but there isnt. anyway you have north node in pisces with the jupiter transit just gone over this.
I have chiron at 23 degree pisces. You might want to read up on north node.

hmm the long and short of this is I dont think you are grounded.......

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yeah, what is with the digitals...they make me look poufy at least in the face. I am very thin and small but they make my face look all puffy and mishapen in my opinion. I hate it. 2D images are the worst.

QF - do you think you are just not aware of how much of the environment you are taking on board?
No, I am aware of it. It is draining. My Scorpio rising does it too - I don't know if Sag Risings do this. With Scorpio Rising, I feel like I am always on the outside looking in (in social situations) but I absorb all that noise, commotion, feelings and everything that everyone else gives off - I feel very aware of it. But for some reason, in certain places with people I don't feel it, (like pubs or clubs). Not that I don't take anything in but I feel a "block" go up - I think that is my Scorpio doing that. My Sag Moon likes to ignore some of these things I like. Social situations like a party with "mingling" it particularly exhausting to me. Don't know why the difference but it is - maybe the "chameleon" aspect of Neptune helps me in certain situations and I feel more comfortable. I feel too exposed and open at other situations.

I have Saturn in the 6th (I am sure you saw) in Virgo - yes, that is can be a "pressure cooker" thing - but I honestly feel at my best when I am like that - maybe it depends on your sun sign - Virgo Suns feel best when they are busy and useful even if it looks exhausting to others. Actually that falls in with my Sag too - ( description from my Personal Portrait on astro.com)

"Sun in Virgo, Moon in Sagittarius

You are happiest when tending to chores that demand meticulous attention to detail. The active Sagittarian influence on your personality inclines you to hurry around, doing many different jobs. "

Hmm.. well, I am not sure what you saw but I do have some water (Scorpio Rising/Pisces in 4th) and Air (three Libras in my 11th and 10th houses, a few of them conjunct) - unless you are speaking of something else? I would think my 3 Libra would constitute alot of Air in my chart because they are closer together. Stellium constitutes a strong emphasis of that element in your chart.

I am not sure what you mean by "grounded" or "protection" - you may have a different viewpoint of "grounded" or "protection" than I do. To me, "grounded" is knowing myself and that is my "protection" when I "leave the house" (for lack of a better way of putting it)

As Claire was pointing out in a few posts, I think I may appear differently than my true self - not that I am not emotional like my Neptune suggests but I keep a pretty good blockage (Scorp Rising) and keep it inside most of the time - I am the one (or people close to me) that see my Neptune the most - strangers rarely get to see it - they mostly see my Scorpio Rising and my Moon in Sag (in its good mode - happy golucky and easy going). They won't get to see my full Neptune at all -unless I want them too. Don't forget we Scorp Risings are hard to get to know - you won't get in their very easily - even with a Neptune with a lot of aspects that might absorb alot.

Ok its the planets in libra that makes you enjoy the social llife, merc and jupiter conj. easy going and affable.

virgo is very hard working and saturn in 6th very hard working too.

the person to whom I refer has a very different chart a stellium in virgo with pluto and mars conju(all in 9th) and squares to asc and moon. I believe she suffers from depression. She wont open up about it or seek help. pluto/mars here is the timebomb...

you have an exact conj of sun and pluto! with scorpio asc so adds to that scorpio appearance.

have a nice holiday break.

Claire19 said:

Neptune conjunct Moon in the 1st is a psychic combination and often you would see fairies and other spirits as a child. You can have a round pale look and sometimes problems with feet. You can feel that you want to be invisible or that you are.......it is a sensitive and rather shy placement
especially with Pluto you would be a deep feeling person and interested in the esoteric and secret.

A day dreamer and a strong imagination.

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I quite agree, plus the watery eyes is very apt, the look that they could just burst into tears at any time or simply just *drift off* when talking to them as if simply bored.

also the imaginary friends, talking to spirit, elementals ie: fairies, nyphs etc.
Also espec with pisces rising, and/or neptune nearer the Asc, when first learning to walk, 'pigeon toed' ie: tripping over ones own feet. My son has moon/neptune 1st house and I ended up taking him to see a specialist as he was always falling over his own feet by turning inwards....

Elina said:

Hello,

I am curious to read your opinion about Neptune in 1st house.
I have it in my chart but I don't "feel" it completely or maybe I don't realize it's influence. Except the fact that I am quite idealistic and dreamy, I don't see how it may influence me.

Btw... I also have Moon conjunct Neptune rx in 1st house. I love to help others and I often tend to ignore my needs so I can dedicate more time to them. But I think this comes more from my Moon - Neptune conjunction and not so much from my Neptune in 1st house.

I admit that sometimes I'm egocentric ( Sun in Leo, Ascendant in Sagittarius and Moon in Capricorn) but, as I said... I love to help people and dedicate myself to them.

So, if you have Neptune in 1st house... how do you 'feel' it's influence?

Thank you!
Elina

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It's a common thing for Neptunians to feel they aren't Neptunians. Neptune creates a fog on us, and therefore we can't see ourselves clearly. And, when you say that you love to help people, you already project your Neptune to others.

As a Neptunian, Uranusian, and Venusian, I feel like I have three different odd personalities, but I love to help people, and I love to match people with others. I am like a cupid . But I figure it's because my Venus conjunct Neptune. And Venus biquintile Moon, and Neptune also biquintile Moon. Neptune and Venus made me a loving person. And I love the whole universe. I even cry when I see a dead fish.

Also, as a Neptunian, I can sense other's emotions and read them well. That's why I could understand my friends' problem without even asking them to explain it to me more further. I can read people's mind, and understand them somehow. Neptune also made me sensitive, artistic, a dreamer, and easily influenced. Neptune also fogs me, fogs my true self. I hardly could understand who I am. It's a problem sometimes. And, I can't hurt my friends' feelings too. I even lie at them just to protect their heart. But somehow I'll get treated unfairly and they'll hurt me, due to jealousy and ego stroke. That's why I feel like I am the odd person out. I also can read Plutonians mind.

Phoenix Venus said:

one way neptune in first can manifest is through a confusion or ease with identity. there can be a lot of identity changes, going with the flow to appease others and fit into a group. there can also be deception with identity, as in wanting to express yourself as different from who you truly are, or not showing yourself fully. There is a very receptive quality about neptune, that wants to soak in the energy of others without diffusing what is of importance on an individual level. so having this in the first house can represent empathy towards others and "soaking up" others way of being.

another ramification of neptune in first is one who is often perceived as stuck in their own world. as in, daydreaming and cut off. but what i've noticed, is though these individuals are shy and often yes in their own little head, they are very observant of what is going on around them. they like to watch, again, being receptive before making themselves known.

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I can definitely relate to this - identity confusion, going with the flow of things to appease others and/or avoid conflict, being self-protective and holding a shroud of mystery around yourself, so people don't actually know you all that well..you are like a mystery to them. I come across to others as pretty timid and shy, non-intrusive in presence (which I am sometimes) but generally, it's really about observing others and overall situations, incorporating received input to help determine my own orientation within a current life framework..which translates into personal reactions, responses, actions or non-actions, etc..reading a situation, testing the temperature of the atmosphere, before just jumping in I suppose.

on the more positive side, neptune in first can represent an artistic and creative expression/demeanor, and a healing presence. subtle and caring about what is going on around them.

one of the higher goals of neptune is to experience things through the knowing that one is all. To gravitate from physical experience to spiritual openness. this is a spiritual awareness that understands pain, joy, and all other emotions of others and can convert them into a higher energy of peaceful being. developing a spiritual awareness and identity will help shed some of the more negative qualities of neptune (the martyr, deceiver, confusion, etc) and bring out evolvement of neptune in first- which is to have a healing presence, (which includes healing yourself) speak with empathy and honesty, inspire through art, creativity, and treating others as equals, and to use your own self-involvement to work towards the good of a group, or something higher than one selves.

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I like that being a positive, healing presence that others feel good around and uplifted by..speaking with considerate honesty and empathy, inspiring through creativity and using personal involvement/interests for the betterment of others, being in service to a higher cause of some kind..I aspire toward these things I think

Elina said:

I have a question. Have you ever felt like you have a lack of appreciation for you? I don't know why but I have a feeling that Neptune in first house may "act" like this. I think that feeling invisible has something to do with not being able to appreciate ourselves properly.
Thanx

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I am inclined to agree with you Elina, I am totally guilty of this
It's like having Neptune in the 1st (house of self) makes us blind to ourselves, we are our own blindspot and don't see ourselves properly, therefore may not treat ourselves as well as we should. We can look to outside sources for input about how we are and how others perceive us as somehow we just don't decipher this clearly and our own perception is fuzzy when turned onto ourselves. For some reason this makes me think of looking into a mirror and seeing an image of a ghost there in front of you.. behind you or beside you.. but when you turn to look behind you away from the mirror, there is nothing there..it only shows up inside the mirror?
I also (unfortunately) grew up feeling invisible and being treated as such in some ways, so for me, such was probably an additional stake driven into the ground of a highly nebulous personal indentity.

Inside Out Orange said:

I have Neptune in the 7th square my Leo stellium. It's the bane of my chart. Over this past year, with tr-Neptune opposing my Leo stellium, I've become much more aware of its work.

The main thing I've come to realise is that it reflects what other people want to see. It doesn't want to offend, it's a real people pleasing aspect. For example, it wouldn't be forthcoming and say "I like astrology" it'll wait until it hears the other person say that they do, and then want to talk about it. If it were to risk bringing up the topic and the other person said "What a load of old rubbish", it would be mortally offended and oversensitive about it.

So one effect of that 'reflectiveness' is that people see their dreams and ideals in me. There's not much feedback coming back out loud unless it's asked for. But even then my Neptune will try to guess what the 'correct' answer is, and is willing to be agreeable if that can be achieved even if it means a little bit of self-suffering.

I don't know how it plays out in the 1st but that's the deal for my Neptune in the 7th which is tied in with lots of other aspects/planets.

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That is SO true, OMG People absolutely project their own visions/issues/ideals onto you if you are highly Neptunian.
I am totally like that in certain areas if something is really important to me.. not being forthcoming in conversation, wanting/needing to know where another person stands on a topic or what their thoughts or feelings are about something first..I won't risk putting my input 'out there' because then I won't know 'for sure' where the other person is on their own, outside of my 'potential' influence.
Somehow it really matters to me to know what another's orientation is before I will share mine..and if I do find out that the other's perspective is very different than mine or if it is particularly dismissive of mine..I will not say anything at all or even suggest that I might hold a different opinion. I will just 'suffer in silence' and be unhappy about it, but this is very much hidden beneath the surface. I also have Mercury in Pisces though and the Sun, so maybe this is a triple whammy influence in my chart.

I have this and also square moon.
I day dreamed for 4 hours straight the other day...uhh..yeah that was a pretty severe case, but it was fun. Sometimes I'm on the floor laughing because of all the funny scenarios I make in my head.

I have Neptune parallel to my Sun also, that adds the vibe.

I enjoy movies and music a lot because it takes me and immerses me to different worlds and universes and that feels fun & amazing.

I wouldn't call these negative things, it's very sweet and fun.

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I also heard Neptune in 1st produces photogenic looking people.

queenfluff said:

J'ai aussi Neptune dans ma 1ère Maison ! Il est en Scorpion et il est conjoint à mon Ascendant. Lorsque vous avez un conjoint avec votre ascendant, cela peut affecter les traits de votre visage. Pour moi, j'ai remarqué que cela donnait à mes yeux intenses Scorpion Rising un aspect légèrement rêveur pour qu'ils paraissent plus doux. Cela n'empêche toujours pas mon Scorpio Rising d'effrayer les gens ! héhé !

Votre description semble familière. Il serait intéressant de voir votre thème avec tous vos aspects. J'ai plusieurs aspects de mon Neptune et ce que je lis habituellement sur Neptune en premier, c'est qu'ils sont sensibles, intuitifs, imaginatifs, semblent mystérieux aux autres (surtout pour moi avec un Scorpion Rising !), un sixième sens fort ou un pouvoir psychique. . Et je le ressens définitivement - je n'aime pas nécessairement tout cela, tout le temps - j'aime le sixième sens - je sais que je l'ai. Je peux souvent deviner ce que les gens vont dire ou faire, surtout. quand je me tiens juste devant eux. J'aime ça - c'est plutôt cool.

J'ai aussi la Lune conjointe à mon Neptune et ma Lune est dans ma Première Maison - donc mes sentiments et mes émotions sont très visibles à cause de la Lune en 1ère, plus sensible, et combinée avec Neptune dans la première - je suppose que je suis très visiblement émotif. mais compatible envers les autres.

Je suis comme les descriptions de la Lune conjointe à Neptune que je lis et non seulement je le ressens, mais je suis sûr que les autres le voient. J'aime la Lune en conjonction avec Neptune parce que je pense qu'elle montre une bonne personne. Gentil, sympathique, compatissant, dévoué, compréhensif. Oui, toujours aider les autres. J'ai aussi mon soleil en Vierge qui veut toujours aider les autres (même s'ils ne l'apprécient pas !) donc ça vient de là aussi. Je pense que cela va bien avec la Lune Conjointe à Neptune.

Les gens de Moon Conjunct Nepturne sont censés aimer vraiment la musique pour son aspect édifiant et curatif. Je suis comme ça - je peux définitivement changer mon humeur et me guérir, cela n'échoue jamais. Comme si cela faisait partie de mon âme. Est-ce que tu trouves que tu es comme ça ?

Mes autres aspects positifs majeurs de mon Neptune en Un sont le Sextile Soleil de mon Neptune qui est censé être un autre aspect rêveur, émotionnel, sensible, etc.

Je suppose que j'aime mon Neptune en 1er, j'ai surtout de bons aspects (un carré par rapport à Vénus) - même si je pense que cela me rend parfois trop sensible. Heureusement que j'ai un Soleil Vierge qui a une colonne vertébrale un peu plus solide et un peu de Feu pour mon Mars. Sinon, je pourrais être trop sensible tout le temps !

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Hello, I don't know if you'll find this message, I'm French and passionate about astrology, I was researching the moon neptune scorpio ascendant spouse and I see that we have "almost the same theme", except that my moon is in 12 at 1 degree ascendant, incredible, I would be interested in sharing my thoughts with you. Thank you