Without time and location there IS no horoscopic natal chartIn a natal chart, if i don't know the location and time of birthday,
what aspects of personality i can read at this chart?
Sun Sign, Moon Sign, Venus house?
I know it's a newbie question,
but i always asked to myself
what exactly location and time define on a natal chart.
Without the hour and location
Thanks @Jupiterasc,
i'm was actually expecting to see at least a partial personality characteristics
like those i've said before, moon, venus, sun
these basics are assertive even without the hour and location , right ?
Without the location and time of birthday, you can get every planet except the moon in the correct sign. For example, Venus in Libra, Mars in Scorpio. These won't change regardless of the time or location unless you happened to be born on a day when some of these planets were 29 degrees or 0 degrees of a sign. You can also get a reliable picture of the aspects between the planets (square, trine, conjunction etc.) as the orbs don't change significantly on the same day, except for the moon. You can also look at the midpoints and fixed stars for additional information. There is actually a lot you can tell about the personality without the time of birth, I know this because many of my clients don't have their exact or even approximate time of birth. The astrological chart is still very rich without the time.
Without the location and time of birthday, you can get every planet except the moon in the correct sign.
For example, Venus in Libra, Mars in Scorpio. These won't change regardless of the time or location
unless you happened to be born on a day when some of these planets were 29 degrees or 0 degrees of a sign.
You can also get a reliable picture of the aspects between the planets (square, trine, conjunction etc.)
as the orbs don't change significantly on the same day, except for the moon.
You can also look at the midpoints and fixed stars for additional information.
There is actually a lot you can tell about the personality without the time of birth,
NEVERTHELESS you are saying that your clients have a LOCATION of birth
I know this
because many of my clients
don't have their exact
or even approximate time of birth.
The astrological chart is still very rich without the time.
On the contrary it is misleading to imply
Even without a location, for most places in the world, the planets might be 1 to 2 degrees different in a sign depending on say if you were born in Japan versus Toronto versus India, therefore the interpretations of the planets in signs, except for potentially the moon will be accurate. Just experiment for yourself on the astrological software, keep the birthday and time the same and change the location. You will see the planets most likely don't change their sign unless at 0 or 29 degrees.
The chart doesn't need to have houses set up to give a fairly comprehensive reading. So what if the person only gets information for everyone born the same day as him or her? That is still much superior to sun sign astrology which divides the population into 12 categories. The birth info with the month, day and year yields a lot of information itself, and it is quite specific. Cultural factors, upbringing, gender, socioeconomic status, life experiences, and personal effort account for a lot too, so it is clear that people born on the same day will not have identical personalities.
The original poster was satisfied with my response, and is happy to learn as much about himself or herself as they can. You are giving incorrect information by saying only people with a time and location can have a chart which I am glad the OP is disregarding.
The OP is asking whether WITHOUT KNOWING TIME AND LOCATION OF BIRTHDAYWhat you are saying does not make any sense at all;
Obviously no one would question thatevery person must be born at some time between midnight and 11:59 pm on any given day in some place on the earth.
Quite.By definition then, everyone must have a chart.
Quite. No one would argue thatEveryone does have a time they were born at and a location they were born in,
just because they don't know the exact value of these variables, doesn't mean they don't exist!
Exactly.I've attached two charts for the same time in two different locations,
you will see that each planet except the moon doesn't change much by degrees.
Quite
You will see therefore that not having a location doesn't make a big difference.
Normally when the time is unknown 12:00 pm is put in as a default,
or an approximate time if you have it.
Nothing other than generalitiesIn a natal chart, if i don't know the location and time of birthday, what aspects of personality i can read at this chart?
Once a month Sun changes SignsSun Sign,
Moon Sign,
Venus house location would remain unknownVenus house?
It's a good question
I know it's a newbie question,
but i always asked to myself
what exactly location and time define on a natal chart.
aspects alone provide meagre tangible informationMoon sign may or may not be possible, since it moves so quickly and may have been moving out of a sign.
Sun sign, yes,
Venus sign and the further planets most likely and aspects between them.
I wouldn't suggest this though.
Quite.But you really need to have some sort of location,
even if it's just by country, state, or province.
The reason is that half way around the world, you may be looking at a different date.
In addition to having no houses,
you also won't have data points dependent upon having an accurate birth time, and hence ascendant, like the part of fortune.
The consensus is clearly that location at the very least is essential
Place of birth, at the very least.