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Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

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My ASC is 29deg 11' , and I calculated that if I was born just 4 minutes later I would have rising.


How should I interpret this?
Should I blend interpretations? Should I think of my birth chart as having two ruling planets?

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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

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Hi,
My ASC is 29deg 11' , and I calculated that if I was born just 4 minutes later I would have rising.


How should I interpret this?
Should I blend interpretations? Should I think of my birth chart as having two ruling planets?
you need to rectify your chart first just to make sure your correct ascendant.
Sign change is a huge jump. I am betting that it is Gemini because birth certificates usually do not have later birth charts.
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

There is some popular astrology that recommends "blending" two signs, but astrology really doesn't work this way. Your ascendant will be in one sign or the other.

I agree on rectification. But also look and think about how other people would describe you, as the ascendant indicates how you appear to other people.

But note that you may have planets in the first house or aspects to your ascendant that can change how it manifests.
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

Thanks all. I tried a couple of free rectification calculators online, but they didn't help much. Can you recommend one? Or perhaps you could recommend some software that can help?
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

Rectification is pretty hard to do-- it goes by identifying key dates in your life and then looking at transits and progressions. I think your best bet would be to pay a professional astrologer for this, after you've identified at least a half-dozen key dates when something major happened. Not something like high school graduation, which affects your entire graduating class on the same day, but something more personal. This might be the birth of a sibling, parents' divorce, the start (or end) of a committed relationship, and so on.

Isaac Starkman is an astrologer who specializes in rectification. You might try this:
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

You can also look at your Mercury (the chart ruler for you if you are a Gemini rising) and your Moon (for cancer rising) to see which plays out more. These two planetary energies are very dissimilar. And hopefully they are placed very differently in your chart for you to be able to easily distinguish their effects.
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

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Hi,
My ASC is 29deg 11' , and I calculated that if I was born just 4 minutes later I would have rising.


How should I interpret this?
Should I blend interpretations? Should I think of my birth chart as having two ruling planets?
Often, birth time is recorded later, so it is more likely than not that you are/ could be Gem. Asc.

Does your MC-IC axis change signs as well with the 4 min difference? Do you want to post your chart?
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

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Does your MC-IC axis change signs as well with the 4 min difference? Do you want to post your chart?
The MC is at 19deg , and so would take a lot to change it. I've attached my birth chart.
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

I suggest you read up on Gemini and Cancer. Then recall times when someone described how you come across to them. Was this more like a Gemini or a Cancer?

Cancer rising people are often very sensitive, and apt to retreat into the Crab's shell when they feel threatened. Then Saturn-ruled Capricorn would be on the 7th house cusp, so they may find it difficult to form long-term romantic attachments. These are more apt to happen later in life.

Gemini is the mutable air sign: mental, even intellectual. And nimble in a conversation.
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

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Hi,
My ASC is 29deg 11' , and

I calculated that if I was born just 4 minutes later I would have rising.
How should I interpret this?
Should I blend interpretations?

Should I think of my birth chart as having two ruling planets?
Rectification Tips thread discussion

- Verifying Ascendant/Descendant/MC/IC angles
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...ad.php?t=51626

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you need to rectify your chart first
just to make sure your correct ascendant.

Sign change is a huge jump.

I am betting that it is Gemini
because birth certificates usually do not have later birth charts.
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Often, birth time is recorded later, so it is more likely than not
that you are/ could be Gem. Asc.

Does your MC-IC axis change signs as well with the 4 min difference? Do you want to post your chart?
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Thanks all.
I tried a couple of free rectification calculators online,
but they didn't help much.
Can you recommend one?
Or perhaps you could recommend some software that can help?
AN EXAMPLE RECTIFICATION

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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...95#post1017195


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Re: Animodar
I have found a method that is more physical than this and does not involve the preceding syzygy or numerology.

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36. Nativities
When the moment of nativity is known, it can be examined instead of the moment of conception, the hours must be determined with knowledge of accidental qualities, and with one of the planets in perfect configuration with the Hour-Marker or the Midheaven at every conception and nativity
So, let the Ascendant or the Midheaven be in perfect conjunction, sextile, square, trine or opposition with one of the seven planets regardless of other factors.

We might theorize why this is so - conceptions and births of humans are powerful moments in nature that require the strongest influence of a planet on angles.
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Yes, nowadays I ignore the syzygy and focus on the planet which makes the closest exact aspect to the Asc (and Dsc) or the Mc (and Ic). A major technical difference between this and the Ptolemaic Animodar is that mine requires a planet to be at the angle or in aspect, while Ptolemy seems to allow it to be disjunct, only requiring the numeric degree it has passed within its sign to be the same (it is like an exact semi-sextile or inconjunct modern ''aspect''). This does not seem physical to me, but rather numerological and uncharacteristic of Ptolemy's intentions of astrology.

So I recommend that one follows a more limited approach with regard to aspects, but more broad approach with regard to rulers. Often, the two methods (the Ptolemaic Animodar and the Petosiris Animodar) will give the same results, since they are based on similar physical reasoning.

I recommend one step - a planet in conjunction, sextile, square, trine or opposition with an angle. Take for example the chart of Ptolemy's second biggest fan (after me) - Girolamo Cardano - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Cardano,_Girolamo

There is no planet in aspect with an angle at 18:29 when the Ascendant is at 6° 22' Taurus. But noticing that Jupiter is nearby, we can put him exactly at the Ascendant giving us 18:20 time, or a 9 minute rectification. Jupiter rising rather than declining may better explain his life and fame.
consider using the foregoing
instead of the following

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1. Examine the preceding syzygy, whether it was a new moon or a full moon.
2. If the preceding syzygy was a new moon, observe its degree at the time of the nativity.
3. If the preceding syzygy was a full moon by night, we observe the degree of the syzygy. By day, we observe the degree opposite the syzygy, which is the degree of the luminary above the horizon (in that case the Sun).
4. Observe the degree at the approximate time of the nativity, and give a point to any of the following planets with rulership over the degree at the time of birth (see http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...3A*.html#note9)



5. Give a point to any planet in the same sign as the degree or in sign with some aspect (sextile, square, trine or opposition) to it.
6. If one star is familiar with the degree in all or most of these ways, whatever degree of its sign it is passing at the time of birth, the same numerical degree is rising (Asc) or culminating (Mc) at the time of birth.
7. If two or more stars are predominators, observe the one that is closer to the approximate time. If it so happens that we do not have the nearest hour of birth, we can establish it through combination of accidental qualities. The foregoing rectification is for time with approximate hour.
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The MC is at 19deg , and so would take a lot to change it. I've attached my birth chart.
Thanks for the chart, but it is very unclear. Any chance you can pull it on astro.com
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

I have a chart on astro.com, but I can't quite figure out how to share it...
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

From a computer, save your Astrodienst horoscope to a computer, then upload it here as an attachment (under "Go Advanced.")

From a cell phone, save your chart to a service like imgur.com and post the link.
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I've attached a PNG from astro.com. Hopefully this one is more legible!
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I've attached a PNG from astro.com. Hopefully this one is more legible!
Thank you. I will have a look when I am logged in from a computer
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

Hi,

A proper chart rectification will require time and a list of events that will need to be studied through predictive Astro methods. However, let us the sort of most straightforward way.

Do you have a well rounded face with sort of mellow eyes and a tendency to put on weight if you don't watch yourself all the time?

Were you born overseas or spend time there in your childhood?

Your mum seems to be a very central fig. regardless of whether or not you are a Cancer Asc. Your Moon is very strong in Cancer and it makes a no. of close aspects to the outer planets as well as Saturn.

Could I ask if you already own some real estate?
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Do you have a well rounded face with sort of mellow eyes and a tendency to put on weight if you don't watch yourself all the time?
I wouldn't describe my face as well-rounded, but mellow eyes could be true. Although my weight is under control, I do have to watch what I eat quite carefully, and make sure to limit myself constantly.


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Were you born overseas or spend time there in your childhood?
I left the country of my birth approx 20 years ago, and have moved country several times since then.


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Your mum seems to be a very central fig. regardless of whether or not you are a Cancer Asc. Your Moon is very strong in Cancer and it makes a no. of close aspects to the outer planets as well as Saturn.
Yes, my Mum is a very central figure in my life. Our relationship has been very positive, but has required some work to heal mistakes I have made.


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Could I ask if you already own some real estate?
Only in the sense that we own a house (well, the bank owns about half of it, but we're working on that!).
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Re: Ascendant right on the cusp of a sign

That already narrows it down for me.

2015 through 2017 - any major changes related either to your health/ physical self / work condition?
Was the prop. you are still paying the mortgage for bought during that period?

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I wouldn't describe my face as well-rounded, but mellow eyes could be true. Although my weight is under control, I do have to watch what I eat quite carefully, and make sure to limit myself constantly.



I left the country of my birth approx 20 years ago, and have moved country several times since then.



Yes, my Mum is a very central figure in my life. Our relationship has been very positive, but has required some work to heal mistakes I have made.



Only in the sense that we own a house (well, the bank owns about half of it, but we're working on that!).
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