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Of course they don't! You have to be deliberately ignorant to history, and ultimately the truth, to actually prefer socialism over the free market.
That is because most of them, have usually worked for the government most of their lives. On a nice and comfy tax-payer funded salary.

They defend the system which benefits them, at the expense of someone else's labour.

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Dirius, Sweetie, you will have noticed that forms of endearment intended to be pejorative are not used on this forum, even where the debate becomes heated.

Darling, where did I ask you to prove "the benefits of a liberalized economy?" Nowhere.

Sweetheart, your graphs are too simplistic to give a full picture. I gave you the opportunity to read some infill, which I don't think you did on such short notice. At least you couldn't have thought seriously about it. But then right-wing ideology tends to be simplistic.

Probably why intellectuals tend to be liberal.

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Au contraire, mon ami. I answer your questions. I give you information to help you up your game. I play with one hand tied behind my back to make things easier for you.

Sadly, you still don't understand what I write.
No you didn't. You didn't answer a thing. You posted a link - which shows your lack of knowledge in economics.

Give me an example of a succesful socialist reform and how it benefited the economy of a country.
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Au contraire, mon ami. I answer your questions. I give you information to help you up your game. I play with one hand tied behind my back to make things easier for you.

Sadly, you still don't understand what I write.
yeah, that's cuz it's illogical
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That is because most of them, have usually worked for the government most of their lives. On a nice and comfy tax-payer funded salary.

They defend the system which benefits them, at the expense of someone else's labour.
Of course they do because they are evil. Their jobs are so artificial and fake. They would be so lost in the free market.
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I could quote you 100 hundred studies on Argentina's economy.

But for what? you can't even answer the data I showed you on two other countries.

At this point you are just denying facts, because you can't answer them.
Dirius, your form of debate fallacy is called a red herring. It's a form of distraction. ("Hey! Look over there!")

The last I checked, this was a thread about how to handle discussions about Black Lives Matter, not whatever digression you feel like bringing up about the economy of New Zealand or some such.

I pay far more income tax than I care to mention. In Canada, however, we normally feel we get value in exchange, like a country that runs reasonably well, public education for all, and a respectable health care system.

But by all means, cite any of those articles on Argentina's economy that are written in English. I would read some of them.
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Of course they do because they are evil. Their jobs are so artificial and fake. They would be so lost in the free market.
Tell us about your employment history, AppLeo. The last I heard, you were a university student.
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Dirius, your form of debate fallacy is called a red herring. It's a form of distraction. ("Hey! Look over there!")

The last I checked, this was a thread about how to handle discussions about Black Lives Matter, not whatever digression you feel like bringing up about the economy of New Zealand or some such.

I pay far more income tax than I care to mention. In Canada, however, we normally feel we get value in exchange, like a country that runs reasonably well, public education for all, and a respectable health care system.

But by all means, cite any of those articles on Argentina's economy that are written in English. I would read some of them.

I'm still waiting for your rebuttal on my examples, or for an example of your own on a succesfull socialist reform.
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So who's a socialist around here?

Not I.
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Show me the data which proves this benefited the employee and the economy david.

You guys are just afraid of numbers it seems.
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Tell us about your employment history, AppLeo. The last I heard, you were a university student.
I work at a restaurant. Been working full-time this summer.
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But by all means, cite any of those articles on Argentina's economy that are written in English. I would read some of them.
There are none in english. Can you understand spanish?
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No you didn't. You didn't answer a thing. You posted a link - which shows your lack of knowledge in economics.

Give me an example of a succesful socialist reform and how it benefited the economy of a country.
Dirius, there you go again, off on another tangent where you somehow hope to be on a firmer footing.

If you wish to succeed at this kind of rhetorical strategy shouldn't you be less obvious about it?

Given your penchant for playing games, I see no reason to spend hours indulging you when a linked article gives you information in much more detail.
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So who's a socialist around here?

Not I.
It's either free market or socialist retardation.

Oh wait, you're a moderate so people can't pin you down. You can disagree with everyone and everything, hold random arbitrary principles when it suits your needs, and let go of those principles as soon as you have to defend them.

Clever, but evil and destructive. It's really easy to criticize, but hard to give real solutions.
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There are none in english. Can you understand spanish?
Alas, no. I can read Some French and German at an elementary level. Maybe you've got some articles in those languages.

Or maybe you could do some more research and locate English language articles.

Then again, maybe this is a thread about Osamenor's aunt on Facebook.
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I work at a restaurant. Been working full-time this summer.
Noticed how she went after your personal life?

Even though your employment status would have no impact on the subject at hand.
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It's either free market or socialist retardation.

Oh wait, you're a moderate so people can't pin you down. You can disagree with everyone and everything, hold random arbitrary principles when it suits your needs, and let go of those principles as soon as you have to defend them.

Clever, but evil and destructive. It's really easy to criticize, but hard to give real solutions.
Actually I call myself an independent.

So you oppose independent thinking?
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Alas, no. I can read Some French and German at an elementary level. Maybe you've got some articles in those languages.

Or maybe you could do some more research and locate English language articles.

Then again, maybe this is a thread about Osamenor's aunt on Facebook.
No waybread we speak spanish here. They don't make studies in other languages.

Too bad you can't speak more than one language.

There may be some international studies on the subject, but I'm not exactly well read on those.
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Noticed how she went after your personal life?

Even though your employment status would have no impact on the subject at hand.
She loves resorting to those logical fallacies
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Show me the data which proves this benefited the employee and the economy david.

You guys are just afraid of numbers it seems.
No sense proving the obvious. If I said "the sky is blue, when it's not dark or gray", you'd demand proof of that.

Basic point is, the Economy is supposed to serve the Nation. The Nation isn't supposed to serve the Economy.

Btw, New Zealand does have a much needed Welfare system.
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Noticed how she went after your personal life?

Even though your employment status would have no impact on the subject at hand.
Well, you seem to think employment status has a huge impact on one's right to express an opinion. Heaven help those poor civil servants who must be forever silenced.

[Oh, and if you can read this, thank a teacher.]
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No sense provin the obvious. If I said "the sky is blue, when it's not dark or gray", you'd demand proof of that.

Basic point is, the Economy is supposed to serve the Nation. The Nation isn't supposed to serve the Economy.

Btw, New Zealand does have a much needed Welfare system.

So like waybread, you can't produce data to back-up your statements.
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Actually I call myself an independent.

So you oppose independent thinking?
Did you even read the list of virtues that I posted? lol

Besides, that's an equivocation. Being an independent from a political party is different from thinking for yourself.
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No waybread we speak spanish here. They don't make studies in other languages.

Too bad you can't speak more than one language.

There may be some international studies on the subject, but I'm not exactly well read on those.
Dirius, academics frequently study countries other than their own. Ditto for think tank economists, and [gasp, shudder] multi-national agencies.

I call my language skills "street German" or "cereal box French." [Kind of a joke in Canada, with our bilingual food packaging.]
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