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Unread 04-13-2015, 06:58 PM
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Astrology is the clock of spiritual maturity: Evidence included

So in my open minded, discover whats new, way of rationalizing and understanding life, I took myself to understanding another spiritual teacher by the name of Jordan Maxwell: A 50 year long profound scholar on the occult, religion, all the underbelly and questioning everything. No he is not a satanist.

It occured to me, that Jordan, proposed that the bible is actually a story based on a story on a story that has followed since pre sumerian times; it occured to him that everything the bible was, was based on Astrology. The bible, based on a rendition of a story that predates human history.

I proposed this to be scientifically accurate myself, as I noticed with the transits which, through self analysis, research, where each planet acts as a catalyst for magnificent changes in the individual and the collective: A source of spiritual maturity to rise to the fullest, grandest evolution of the human self into becoming their full, utter complete, higher self with no fear.

I know that part through rigorous exploration into the unknown myself for 7 or 8 years. The occult, the unknown has always magnified to be a deep interest. My scorpio in the 5th house is probably more synonymous with this, but let's not 'Blame astrology'. No I am not a satanist, again. No I never did the ouija board. I know where my limits lie.

All I can say is it appears, through self study, self reasearch ( I am a experiential learner and a audial learner, everything else bothers me ) that Astrology now represents to me, a sort of clock. A chronological chart of influences where certain planets would have a more profound influence such as pluto and saturn and that they're to set the stage for human spiritual rises in consciousness or these mighty 'Dieties' I may otherwise see them as, test and push the human to become their greatest version.

Astrology since I discovered it is only one of the profound topics I discovered which richly fascinated me, possibly being yes, my abundance of Aquarius; my 5th house and 9th house.

So I see; testify to the evaluation that by the time we enter this earth, the stage is set immediately, the rising sign would dileanate our parental upbringing, the houses and everything else plays out immediately, but why, by chance, would it happen to be all so instant, as if we were meant to have that time of birth? I surely do not believe and completely oppose, fatalism.

I have studied a case of mr Edgar Caycee where, someone who I believe intuitively, cultivated that she was his wife in some recent lifetime, where his sun sign seemed to progress from Aries to Taurus within 50 years of a single century, yes I believe in reincarnation by the way. She proposed a photo of Edgar Caycee and looking at her husband now, they were one of the same person and noticed many similarities: I have looked into research of children also who vividly remember their past lives, even a boy who lived on a island off the coast of Scotland and only a 100 miles away, recalled in that very house on that island, where, unmistakingly his parents by chance he remembered their names, did live there and much more.

So if you're still willing to follow on this proposal or feel 'Misguided; are digging in your heels', there is only the profound, horrific to conventionally healthy question to how and why we start our lives the way we do: I have watched a documentary recently on 'Wild Child' children, the horrific immature parental abandonment emotionally, insane.

Some people even such as HP Lovecraft, would churn out of their lives, no matter how ostracized, into fictions that would last the century. There is also the phomonena on the most worst years, the best music will be made. We were made to express ourselves.

I looked also into the proposal that, we are here based on 'Soul age', which was fascinating. I happened to explore my past lives through a sound incurring meditation and with no forced thought, saw myself as animals, indian chieftain, rich italian men and much more bizzare things.

I am not by chance proposing that the soul somehow rose to become one of these wild children no no no. But I am absolutely certain, through research, self study and self evaluation, Astrology is not just a 'theory', if scientifically scrutinized, it would propose as fact.

But the question I have to ask is what people propose of the beginning of such lives, both horrific and magnificent, each lend their hand wether rich or poor to spiritual growth in some sense ( I personally don't believe in 'Past life karma' )?

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Unread 04-13-2015, 08:03 PM
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Re: Astrology is the clock of spiritual maturity: Evidence included

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But the question I have to ask is what people propose of the beginning of such lives, both horrific and magnificent, each lend their hand wether rich or poor to spiritual growth in some sense ( I personally don't believe in 'Past life karma' )?

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What do you mean?
The question isnt very clear
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Unread 04-14-2015, 09:25 AM
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Re: Astrology is the clock of spiritual maturity: Evidence included

I'm saying a life can begin in the most distraught, horrific and emotionally debilitating of circumstances but also at the most alleviating. Each sign to their own would have to learn how to either moderate or persevere through whatever life handles them.

The question was what is the cause of this astrologically? Does God curse us to being in a 'Hell' by rebeginning our lives in a hellish enviroment? Is it just the state of the world at best but then I have expressed how it appears each part of the chart, even the rising, gives itself to not just false chance.

I was inquiring what maybe the determinant for either a good or testing enviroment to be born in, astrologically.
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Re: Astrology is the clock of spiritual maturity: Evidence included

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I'm saying a life can begin in the most distraught, horrific and emotionally debilitating of circumstances but also at the most alleviating. Each sign to their own would have to learn how to either moderate or persevere through whatever life handles them.

The question was what is the cause of this astrologically? Does God curse us to being in a 'Hell' by rebeginning our lives in a hellish enviroment? Is it just the state of the world at best but then I have expressed how it appears each part of the chart, even the rising, gives itself to not just false chance.

I was inquiring what maybe the determinant for either a good or testing enviroment to be born in, astrologically.
I may not understand the question, but I will try. In the West, we had the Protestant Reformation. One side of that, the Calvinists (who are still around today) claimed that you could tell if you were one of God's 'chosen' - because you'd have a good life. If you didn't have a good life in conventional terms - money, health, family, happiness - you weren't one of the chosen, and it was pretty pointless to try to save you anyway (though they would try to get you to at least behave), and because it was clear you weren't one of the chosen, you were going to hell when you died.

In astrological circles, and new age circles generally, I've seen a lot of that same attitude, though it's generally accompanied by the word 'karma' and often doesn't include the word 'hell'. People try to up the sophistication of the argument by using more psychologically laden language instead of 'chosen' or 'damned', but the attitude is remarkably the same.

My own belief is that things aren't that simple. That we are, probably, projections of the mind of the Divine, and the mind of the Divine contains every possibility that could ever be. And for whatever reason, that has to play out on earth. I don't think we get any choice of the hand we're dealt, we can just respond to it. In other words, it's all fated, but we can make some choices. Those won't necesarily alter our circumstances, but they might make some of them somewhat more bearable. And sometimes they won't. That's just how it is. And that particular 'how' is what the native's chart shows.

I also believe that we're supposed to help each other, because nobody can do this life thing alone.

As to past lives, or afterlives, I simply do not know. There is no way that I can know. I'm inclined to think they don't exist, but arguments either pro or con can never be won. My feeling, again, personal, is that all that happens, happens NOW. But since we can't properly process it, we tend to split it up into categories of 'now' and 'then', which, sadly, usually come with a hefty dose of judgement of the worth of the person.

Does it ever end? Does now stop? Who knows? From my severely limited perspective, it's not a thing I can know.

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Re: Astrology is the clock of spiritual maturity: Evidence included

I watched that Jordan Maxwell video and it was very entertaining, but I think it should be in the category of entertainment.

If you went to Rome and started showing people "hey look! the catholic church uses mushroom symbols and has the same dome as the white house!!"

I dont think that would change anything and you'd be shunned or beaten up.
Same goes for the muslims and their symbols.

I dont know if you awnt to hear this but I dont think there is any rhyme or reason to anything. I think we are just in a computer simulation because astrology is so ridiculous.

I believe astrology is absolutely real, but its ridiculous if you think about it. It's absolutely insane that the planets not only decide our personality but our fate.
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Re: Astrology is the clock of spiritual maturity: Evidence included

I don't think the planets decide our fate.
The planets' order is not the cause, but a giant fractal that represents all that has ever happened, all that is and all that will be IMHO. And it's in a place that everyone can see, that's why it's never wrong and easy to study.

It all comes down to this:


And I see the order of the zodiac signs as stages of development. I just love how you've put it: the clock of spiritual maturity! Now that would make a fine book title!
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Re: Astrology is the clock of spiritual maturity: Evidence included

I also believe in reincarnation, and I'm pretty sure (though not absolutely certain) that such persons as Hitler, serial killers (hey what's the difference?), dictators, genocide advocates, etc. will be reborn as severely disabled/disadvantaged persons.

Personal account: I could be loud and brash and rude in my past life, and in childhood I was afraid to speak up or be too obvious about anything. Apparently I was ridiculed for my unconventional views.
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