Do you also consider the sign (regardless of house) for house-area concerns?

I am a health fanatic and very big on nutrition.


I have several planets in Virgo. But these Virgo planets are in my 10th house (career). As far as the 6th house of health, I have Chiron there.


Is my attention to health/nutrition explained by Chiron in 6th, or the Virgo planets (Jupiter, Saturn), even though they're in a non-health-related house?


In other words, does the sign itself (regardless of house) contribute to the affairs of the house it would correspond to, if you have planets there? Or are the Virgo planets irrelevant in this case?

AVisitor said:

I am a health fanatic and very big on nutrition.

I have several planets in Virgo. But these Virgo planets are in my 10th house (career). As far as the 6th house of health, I have Chiron there.

Is my attention to health/nutrition explained by Chiron in 6th, or the Virgo planets (Jupiter, Saturn), even though they're in a non-health-related house?

In other words, does the sign itself (regardless of house) contribute to the affairs of the house it would correspond to, if you have planets there? Or are the Virgo planets irrelevant in this case?

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Good, interesting question.
Here is how I see it. As I understand it, a sign is an influence on the planet which is in that sign.
Planets are in signs and planets are in houses.
Houses are not in signs. Houses are arenas of life in which the planets act or manifest.

Traditionally, I would think that Virgo may refer to care, diligence, discrimination, home, hearth. I don't think there is anything that suggests that Virgo is particularly connected to health beyond taking care, being discriminating, which might cover being discriminating about illness/health, which I acknowledge is very important for our health! I also would note, though, that the house of one's health and well-being is the 1st house, rather than the 6th.

So if houses are the arenas of life in which a planet exerts more influence, if you have planets in the 6th house of illness and disease, its condition and cause, whether the illness will be short or long, curable or not, then your attention will be drawn to those matters in a fundamental way.

Coming back to your questions

In other words, does the sign itself (regardless of house) contribute to the affairs of the house it would correspond to, if you have planets there?

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I would say no. It is modern idea that signs correspond to houses, like Aries with the 1st, Virgo with the 6th and not much historically or philosophically to support it. There are just signs on houses, based on the time of the chart.

Or are the Virgo planets irrelevant in this case?

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I don't see planets in the 10th influencing the affairs of the 6th [or 1st] for health/illness matters unless those planets are somehow related by aspect or mutual reception or some other astrological relationship with bodies in the 6th or 1st. The sign of Virgo on a planet does not automatically connect to the affairs of the 6th or any other house.

That is how I understand it. I would be interested to hear how others do.

AVisitor said:

I am a health fanatic and very big on nutrition.
I have several planets in Virgo.
But these Virgo planets are in my 10th house (career)

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.... signs in traditional astrology
are used mostly as environments
within which the various planets can function
sometimes effectively, sometimes ineffectively.

The most important facts

about the sign

are:

the location of
the ruler of that sign
and
what shape is it in

and planets located in that sign
and
their condition

AVisitor said:

As far as the 6th house of health, I have Chiron there.
Is my attention to health/nutrition explained by Chiron in 6th,

or the Virgo planets (Jupiter, Saturn),
even though they're in a non-health-related house?
In other words, does the sign itself (regardless of house)
contribute to the affairs of the house it would correspond to,
if you have planets there?
Or are the Virgo planets irrelevant in this case?

Position is stronger than rulership.

for example :
Aries on 5th house cusp. Jupiter in Aries.
Juptier is having much more important for the issues of the house

then the ruler Mars.

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In traditional astrology a planet in the 10th
has nothing to do with capricorn
and a planet in Taurus has nothing to do with money.
Traditional astrology uses only traditional rulerships.
Mars rules Scorpio, Jupiter rules Pisces, Saturn rules Aquarius.
Also, to traditional astrology, rulership does not mean affinity
it means that the planet is in charge of the affairs of that sign.


So
when you have a seventh house Taurus
the location and condition of Venus
largely determines

the nature and quality of your relationships.

Signs are neutral.
They have descriptions, sure, like human, mute, violent, bestial,
fertile, barren, crooked, long ascending, and on and on,
but at the end of the day
THE SIGNS ARE NEUTRAL.

IT'S THE PLANETS
both in
and
that rule them
THAT BRING SIGNS TO LIFE

TROPICAL Astrological SIGNS are distinct from the CONSTELLATIONS
with which over centuries, they were conflated
Originally, SIGN meant simply "...a Sign of the SEASON..."
because
SIGNS were basically a Calender of the Seasons
which followed the Seasonal Path of the Sun on the Ecliptic

source material
HISTORY OF THE ZODIAC
an in-depth exploration of the origins of the Babylonian Zodiac
and its location in the ecliptic
reveals that
the division of the ecliptic into tropical astrological signs
was originally a derivation of Euctemon's tropical Calendar of Seasons (432 B.C.)

QUOTE

"...dividing the solar year into twelve equal months commencing with the vernal equinox,
in which each solar (tropical) month is named after one of each of the twelve signs..."Dr. Robert Powell

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In whole sign houses all of the sign the Ascendant is in is the first house,
all of the next sign is the second, so sign and house boundaries coincide.
Whole sign aspects, seeing and aversion.
In traditional astrology, a planet anywhere in Cancer is trine a planet anywhere in Pisces
regardless of how close they are by degree.
(Traditional astrology also uses degree-based aspects, but for different purpose.)
Traditional astrology uses only what are called the Ptolemaic aspects
– sextile, square, trine, and opposition.
(Conjunctions are also used, but strictly speaking they are not aspects.)
A planet that aspects another planet can ‘...see...’ that planet.
Any planets that do not have one of these aspects
are considered to be in aversion
meaning they can’t see each other
so there is a lack of awareness between them.
There are multiple levels of rulers used
– Lord or Ruler, Exaltation, Trigon or Triplicity, Bound or Term, and Face,
and all but face seem to have been widely used.

There is much heavier emphasis on the Lord of the Ascendant
than on the sun.

Traditional astrology is mainly framed around answering specific questions
about specific areas of life.

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I couldn't have said it better, JA. Thank you for gathering all of this.

JUPITERASC said:

.... signs in traditional astrology
are used mostly as environments
within which the various planets can function
sometimes effectively, sometimes ineffectively.

The most important facts

about the sign

are:

the location of
the ruler of that sign
and
what shape is it in

and planets located in that sign
and
their condition


In traditional astrology a planet in the 10th
has nothing to do with capricorn
and a planet in Taurus has nothing to do with money.
Traditional astrology uses only traditional rulerships.
Mars rules Scorpio, Jupiter rules Pisces, Saturn rules Aquarius.
Also, to traditional astrology, rulership does not mean affinity
it means that the planet is in charge of the affairs of that sign.


So
when you have a seventh house Taurus
the location and condition of Venus
largely determines

the nature and quality of your relationships.

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IleneK said:

I couldn't have said it better, JA. Thank you for gathering all of this.

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IleneK indeed I've simply collated info - happy to be of use


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The sign flavors the topics of the house. If your MC is in Virgo, the career and public reputation sector of your life has a Virgo flavor to it. Maybe you're in a health-related career. Maybe your career is in a field that requires a lot of attention to detail, and/or that's very process oriented. To suggest a few possibilities.

If your Virgo planets include Mercury, that would make your tenth house topics very, very Virgoan, because its ruler sends the exact same message. If your Mercury is in another sign, then there's also something of that sign's message in your career, and possibly of Mercury's house as well.

Please look at the situation of the planet ruling the sign on the house cusp.

This is basic.

My own understanding:

Planets are the actors. They act things out. Houses are where they do this. And the signs are how planets do what they do.