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Question Mars retrograde

Hello!

Im new in studying astrology.

And im trying to understand how do i know how mars retrograde 2016 will effect me?

Like how can i know where to look.

In my birth chart mars is in 25 degrees taurus in the 4 house if i use equal house system or in my 3rd if the houses is not equal.


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Re: Mars retrograde

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Hello!

Im new in studying astrology.
And im trying to understand

how do i know how mars retrograde 2016 will effect me?

Like how can i know where to look
.
In my birth chart mars is in 25 degrees taurus

Hello vic
Simple way is to go back and check events in your life when Mars previously went retrograde

HOWEVER
since you are new to astrology
you may be unaware thus far
that the SIGN Mars goes stationery retrograde at
is a major and important consideration

and furthermore
that Mars can only retrograde IN A PARTICULAR SIGN at certain intervals

and therefore
after consulting an EPHEMERIS one may find that
the previous occasion when Mars went retrograde IN TROPICAL SAGITTARIUS
was on

11 May 2001 when Mars went Stationery Retrograde

until

19 July 2001 when Mars went Stationery Direct at 15 degrees Tropical Sagittarius


So basically that is the previous occasion when Mars retrograded in Tropical SAGITTARIUS
and good idea to check back regarding events in your life at that time


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Re: Mars retrograde

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Hello vic
Simple way is to go back and check events in your life when Mars previously went retrograde

HOWEVER
since you are new to astrology
you may be unaware thus far
that the SIGN Mars goes stationery retrograde at
is a major and important consideration

and furthermore
that Mars can only retrograde IN A PARTICULAR SIGN at certain intervals

and therefore
after consulting an EPHEMERIS one may find that
the previous occasion when Mars went retrograde IN TROPICAL SAGITTARIUS
was on

11 May 2001 when Mars went Stationery Retrograde

until

19 July 2001 when Mars went Stationery Direct at 15 degrees Tropical Sagittarius


So basically that is the previous occasion when Mars retrograded in Tropical SAGITTARIUS
and good idea to check back regarding events in your life at that time


Hello

thank you for your answer, unfortunately i was only 8 years when that happend last time so its very hard to remember things.

But i am watching a video on youtube this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xWJ...44A3C9&index=3

so i want to figure ut which house in my chart mars is transitting, and also how the aspect to other planets will affect me in the coming weeks now when mars is retrograding.

This is so confusing to me but i really want to learn ! :P
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Re: Mars retrograde

incidentally vic I have numerous ephemeris in book form
I purchased the AMERICAN EPHEMERIS for various centuries from amazon

however
there is a FREE EPHEMERIS ONLINE - not as detailed as the AMERICAN EPHEMERIS
but certainly provides the locations of planets for 9000 years
http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm
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Re: Mars retrograde

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Hello

thank you for your answer,
unfortunately i was only 8 years when that happend last time so its very hard to remember things.

then ask family members, parents, cousins, siblings, aunts, uncles
if they recall events affecting you at that time
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Re: Mars retrograde

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so i want to figure out which house in my chart mars is transitting,
and also how the aspect to other planets will affect me in the coming weeks
now when mars is retrograding.

This is so confusing to me

but
i really want to learn ! :P

If you really want to learn
then begin with the PLANET itself
learn the SIGNIFICATIONS - aka what the planet signifies

in this case MARS
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/mars.html
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Re: Mars retrograde

after you have some familiarity with the SIGNIFICATIONS of in this case MARS

THEN STUDY THE SIGN LOCATION OF MARS NATALLY

in this case TAURUS
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/taurus.html

because
at the time you were born
transiting Mars in the sky
is located in the Tropical SIGN TAURUS whose ruler is VENUS

and that quite simply means that your natal Mars is influenced by the house and sign location of your natal VENUS
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Re: Mars retrograde

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after you have some familiarity with the SIGNIFICATIONS of in this case MARS

THEN STUDY THE SIGN LOCATION OF MARS NATALLY

in this case TAURUS
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/taurus.html

because
at the time you were born
transiting Mars in the sky
is located in the Tropical SIGN TAURUS whose ruler is VENUS

and that quite simply means that your natal Mars is influenced by the house and sign location of your natal VENUS
Thank you!

omg this is so hard to understand! but so intresting!

But i want to understan like,
Mars is retrograding in sagitarius and will go back in scorpio and will pass througt be in the houses of 11 and 10

But in my chart my mars is in the 4 house and in taurus

so how can i understand the combination here?

and also, should i use the equal house system when i draw my chart because if i do not use this everything changes and my house 1 and 7 becomes super huge and every else chart is so small because i live so much up north.


But to understand what you said and i have studied a little

So march is like the warrior and can be anger and is also action
and taurus is like the earthy much to earth
and when mars retrograde it move backwards

So will this retrograde mean to me like it like a warrior slams me from living in the clouds slams me back to earth? Or i dont know

And also how can i know which house mars will affect when it retrograde, will it affect my 4 or my 10 and 11?

thanks /
VIC
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Re: Mars retrograde

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Thank you!

omg this is so hard to understand! but so intresting!

But i want to understan like,
Mars is retrograding in sagitarius and will go back in scorpio and will pass througt be in the houses of 11 and 10

But in my chart my mars is in the 4 house and in taurus

so how can i understand the combination here?

and also, should i use the equal house system when i draw my chart
because if i do not use this
everything changes
and
my house 1 and 7 becomes super huge
and every else chart is so small
because i live so much up north
.


The fact is vic, it is not unusual
that the house location of a natal planet can change

dependent on the house system chosen
easily verify that at astro.com's Extended Chart Selection Page

there, fourteen of the more popular house systems currently in use are available options
Placidus is simply the default

for those born so far North, use of WHOLE SIGN HOUSES brings clarity

to view for yourself how that works in practice
simply create your natal chart using WHOLE SIGN HOUSES option

EXPLANATORY ASTROLOGICAL HOUSES ARTICLE http://www.librarising.com/astrology...ignhouses.html

QUOTE

'...There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart" into twelve segments of life activity.
Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable.
A planet in Aries was also a planet in the house of Aries
so that in effect there were no real houses as we know them today....'


'.Artificial divisions now known as houses
were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope
which during 7th and 8th centuries AD were construed
or confused
as means of dividing the birth chart.
The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites, were definite power points or areas of intense focus
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant....'
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Re: Mars retrograde

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But to understand what you said and i have studied a little

So march is like the warrior and can be anger and is also action
and taurus is like the earthy much to earth


and when mars retrograde it move backwards

Mars does not LITERALLY MOVE BACKWARDS WHEN RETROGRADE

instead
Mars just SEEMS to move backwards
based on an optical illusion
often experienced for example when in a vehicle
such as a train or a car

IF one is in a stationary vehicle
and an adjacent vehicle that was also stationary begins to move forwards
and overtakes the one who is in a stationary vehicle

THEN an optical illusion occurs
of seeming to move backwards
example illustrated by video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72FrZz_zJFU


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So will this retrograde mean to me like it like a warrior slams me from living in the clouds slams me back to earth?
Or i dont know

And also how can i know which house mars will affect when it retrograde,

will it affect my 4 or my 10 and 11
?

thanks /
VIC


Vic it is your choice which house system to use


Astrologers all have different opinions
and so tend to use different methodology

the following is useful advice for beginners
which was posted by dr. farr
who began studying astrology when he was twelve

dr. farr has not posted for awhile due to ill health
however he did give a clear explanation
of the way to use WHOLE SIGN HOUSES as originally intended
keeping in mind that THE MEANING OF THE WORD "CUSP" HAS CHANGED OVER CENTURIES

dr. farr explains all clearly:

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CUSPS:

Today (and for the past thousand years or so) we define cusps as "borders" (coasts),
but that is not the original meaning of the word "cusp":
it means "point" such as cuspal teeth (bicuspids) and the point of a sword
-so originally the term cusp meant the "point" of something
and in astrology originally the "cusp" of the house meant its "point";
now, when quadrant systems were developed, this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning",
which later came to mean its "border"
,
ie, the "border" between one house and the other.

And later astrology also began using these "borders" (cusps) for various prognostic applications
(Charles Carter came to believe that, for timing of events, the "cusps" of the Campanus house system gave the best results,
among the various quadrant house systems)
But now notice this:

in whole sign
the cusps are NOT the 0 degree "borders" of sign/houses at all, and never were so regarded!


In whole sign,
the "cusp" retained its original meaning,
not as a "border" but rather as A POINT
-and that POINT (cusp) for EACH house, was the sensitive point of that house,


viz,

the sensitive point in whole sign houses
-each house
-that is the "cusp" of each house
-is a direct projection from the ascending degree.

Example:
-the ascending degree of a chart is 18 Taurus:
what are the house cusps
(sensitive points, original meaning of the word "cusp")
in the whole sign houses of this chart?

Cusp of 1st house = 18 Taurus
Cusp of 2nd house = 18 Gemini
Cusp of 3rd house = 18 Cancer
Cusp of 4th house = 18 Leo
Cusp of 5th house = 18 Virgo
Cusp of 6th house = 18 Libra
Cusp of 7th house = 18 Scorpio
Cusp of 8th house = 18 Sagittarius
Cusp of 9th house = 18 Capricorn
Cusp of 10th house = 18 Aquarius
Cusp of 11th house = 18 Pisces
Cusp of 12th house = 18 Aries

Now it is these "cusps"
(sensitive degrees, original meaning of the word "cusp" as a "point")
that are
(and were)
used for progressions, timing of events, etc,
and the fact is that they work for these purposes, quite well
(in expert hands)

Whole sign does not use the BORDERS between houses
(always 0 degree
of any sign) for anything,

but it DOES use "cusps"
(points in the house, projected from the exact ascending degree)
for timing
(and other)
delineative purposes.


Whole sign suddenly vanished
(both in the West and in Vedic astrology)
during the same period of time
-ie, late 8th to early 9th century
-this sudden disappearance suggests a sudden turn in astrological thinking and practices,
rather than a gradual supplanting of a less effective traditional method (whole sign)
by a new and more effective method (rheotrius/alchabitius in the West,
and the closely related to whole sign Equal house, in Vedic astrology)

I quite agree with Waybread in the statement, "so what?"
(if old time astrologers did or didn't do something)

For me, there is only 1 reason I switched to whole sign
-it worked better
(FOR ME)
I could care less if it were the oldest house system
(which it is)
or whether it was invented by Badda Bing at Barney's Beanery in Bayonne, 10 years ago:
only things I consider are:
-does it seem to make sense?
-does it "taste good" to me (ie, does it "feel right" to me)
-and, if yes to the above,
does it work
(producing delineations and predicitions)
better than what I have previously been doing?

Well, whole sign did all that, for me, so I switched;
but I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything about it,
except for beginners
-to you who might just be starting out,
I would say: try whole sign first, and see how well it might work for you...


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