What makes cooks and chefs?

Larxene

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*ehem* Guys, we are getting off-topic. Back to chefs please. I want my pasta...



EDIT: So Rick, I take it that you collected those charts personally? Or did you get 'em from some database?
 
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JUPITERASC

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An easy way to figure the cooks an checks out is to go to the astrodatabank and search on cooks and chefs, and then correlated the combinations.

http://www.astro.com/wiki/astro-databank/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=chef&fulltext=1

There are 98 charts there for Chefs. Im sure that one would begin to see the common elements.
The OP has a specific question :smile:
I have asked this question before in Skyscript, but I am not getting sufficient feedback: http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8217

So basically, in traditional texts,
what are the significators for cooks and chefs?

My current hunch is a well-dignified and/or well-placed Mars, in harmonious aspect with Venus. The reason is because cooking involves the skilful use of knives and heat, both of which are signified by Mars (Mars -> iron and fire). However, support from Venus may be needed, as Venus gives the ability to make things pleasant to the senses, in this case taste.

Opinions?
 

Zarathu

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People have taken pot shots from their own personal things that they like in a chart.

I was only suggesting that if one wanted to actually research this, then this is the way to do it, and I gave a reference to allow someone to do that.

98 charts is enough to figure it out. But I cannot do it here, because this is the Traditional Astrology Forum as we've talked to above. And as such, I would be looking for many things to make the identification which are not part of discussion on this forum. That's OK.

I was hoping perhaps that a skilled traditional astrologer of whcih there are several here would want to take some of those charts and and make some kind of determination for the OP.
 

amaranthinefall

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It's sad, but this thread is a perfect example of the downhill slide this forum has made over the past ~5 years. In times past, moderators would've removed extraneous posts and kept it on topic with a warning post. With that being said, it was usually only threads in "Hot Topics" that needed a warning. Not to mention, much more participation and conversation back then. Most of the really skilled, really interesting people are gone now. The traditional astrologers here should band together and create our own forum somewhere in cyberspace.
 

Zarathu

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It's sad, but this thread is a perfect example of the downhill slide this forum has made over the past ~5 years. In times past, moderators would've removed extraneous posts and kept it on topic with a warning post. With that being said, it was usually only threads in "Hot Topics" that needed a warning. Not to mention, much more participation and conversation back then. Most of the really skilled, really interesting people are gone now. The traditional astrologers here should band together and create our own forum somewhere in cyberspace.

They have one. Its called Skyscript. You might want to try it. Deb Houlding runs it:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/

Unlike AC, there are a lot of professional astrologers there. Here it is made up of 99.99% beginners or even those who know nothing about astrology at all and simply want free analysis.
 

JUPITERASC

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People have taken pot shots from their own personal things that they like in a chart.

I was only suggesting that if one wanted to actually research this, then this is the way to do it, and I gave a reference to allow someone to do that.

98 charts is enough to figure it out. But I cannot do it here, because this is the Traditional Astrology Forum as we've talked to above. And as such, I would be looking for many things to make the identification which are not part of discussion on this forum. That's OK.


I was hoping perhaps that a skilled traditional astrologer of whcih there are several here would want to take some of those charts and and make some kind of determination for the OP.
Traditional astrologers use ancient texts
and the OP asked

So basically, in traditional texts, what are the significators for cooks and chefs?

My current hunch is a well-dignified and/or well-placed Mars, in harmonious aspect with Venus. The reason is because cooking involves the skilful use of knives and heat, both of which are signified by Mars (Mars -> iron and fire). However, support from Venus may be needed, as Venus gives the ability to make things pleasant to the senses, in this case taste.

Opinions?
HOWEVER

the thread has clearly been hi-jacked

so

the thread
as the OP has already mentioned

needs to go back on-topic


i.e.

the discussion of ancient texts significations for cooks and chefs
:smile:
 

amaranthinefall

Well-known member
Skyscript is stuffy. People in the "middle" need a place of their own. Or maybe I just miss the old familiar "faces" of this community... Whatever. :(
 

Larxene

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Rick,

I asked the question again because I didn't understand your response. So you casted their chart individually. That says nothing about where the birth details came from. They could be from friends (200 chef friends!? O_O), from your own record of celebrity chefs, from forums, from your own country or worldwide, etc. But I won't probe any further; we'll leave it at that.



Zarathu,

I am aware of Astro-Databank. I wanted to collect some quotes from traditional authors, and opinions or reasoning from the astrologers here, before carrying out some kind of empirical research. It's wise to do literature review and finding expert opinions before doing any kind of research. It helps to formulate a hypothesis and define the scope of the research.

I'll check out Astro-Databank later when I come back to this research question again. I've got other astrological projects at the moment. The 98 results you found was just about chefs. There will be more results depending on how one searches for the information. That means a lot of work for me >_<
 

Zarathu

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That means a lot of work for me >_<

Oh yeah.... Astrological research is insanely time consuming.

I remember about 10 years ago when I wanted to determine the major characteristics of being a talk show host. With only all the charts for all the know TV talk show hosts back to Jack Paar, it took me about 12 hours of correlating.
 

Rick

Banned
Larxene, I googled famous chefs. I think I simply landed on wiki.
I checked out each of their charts with an ephemeris, which address I gave you!
Let me know if you "got it" this time.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Rick,

I asked the question again because I didn't understand your response. So you casted their chart individually. That says nothing about where the birth details came from. They could be from friends (200 chef friends!? O_O), from your own record of celebrity chefs, from forums, from your own country or worldwide, etc. But I won't probe any further; we'll leave it at that.

Zarathu,

I am aware of Astro-Databank.

I wanted to collect some quotes from traditional authors,

and opinions

or reasoning

from the astrologers here,

before carrying out some kind of empirical research.
It's wise to do literature review and finding expert opinions
before doing any kind of research.

It helps to formulate a hypothesis and define the scope of the research.


I'll check out Astro-Databank later when I come back to this research question again. I've got other astrological projects at the moment. The 98 results you found was just about chefs. There will be more results depending on how one searches for the information. That means a lot of work for me >_<


From the works of Sahl and Mash'Allah :smile:
Translated by Benjamin Dykes Ph.D
http://www.bendykes.com/sahl.php

ON QUESTIONS
'.... Indeed the 8th Sign belongs to the bakers and the cooks...' page 184
 

Larxene

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Rick,

Okay, now that's clear.



JupiterASC,

Thanks. I was going through Arabic era astrological works the other day and saw that book. I might check it out in due time. It's in my list. There's that characteristic vagueness with ancient texts: 8th sign from the Ascendant, from Fortune/Spirit, from Cancer (Thema Mundi) or from Aries? :happy: Or perhaps it was stated, just not quoted here.
 

Rick

Banned
Ok.
So what do you think, about what I suggested.... about testing a sample of chefs in great detail, we can try and get other people into it, to lighten the workload....and really do a proper statistic.
 

JUPITERASC

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JupiterASC,

Thanks. I was going through Arabic era astrological works the other day and saw that book. I might check it out in due time. It's in my list. There's that characteristic vagueness with ancient texts:

8th sign from the Ascendant, from Fortune/Spirit, from Cancer (Thema Mundi) or from Aries? :happy:

Or perhaps it was stated, just not quoted here.
Gauging from the context
which is from a chapter headed 'ON QUESTIONS'

From the works of Sahl and Mash'Allah
Translated by Benjamin Dykes Ph.D
http://www.bendykes.com/sahl.php


SAHL clearly intends to convey that
8th sign from the Ascendant 'belongs to the bakers and the cooks'
:smile:
 

Larxene

Well-known member
Rick,

I am interested, but for this to be of mutual benefit, we will have to work out the details on what exactly each of us wants to get out of the study. For example, you may be interested in the Sun/Moon combinations, whereas I am interested in planets in the 10th, lord of the 10th, planets making a phase, planets on the angles, planets on the 6th and 2nd, which are basically the potential significators of career according to Ptolemy and Maternus. Also, we will need someone with formal experience or qualification in statistics, if we want to do this properly. I only studied mathematics and statistics at high school level, although I know a bit of grade 12 statistics. So we need someone else to do that.

Also, at the moment I am engaged in another project which I hope to complete by the end of this month, so my hands are tied at the moment.

Perhaps we should create a new thread somewhere else to get two or three more people to participate, with specifications on our scope and roles.



JupiterASC,

Right, if that passage is from the horary section (questions), then it is most likely using the Ascendant as the reference point.
 

Rick

Banned
Hey Larxene, I don't have any expectations when I do a study, I try and notice patterns....like the Sun Moon one, I didnt expect it or look for it....I just saw it, cause it was there....
But I will look for those specific things you mentioned. No problem.

Which board should we post it in.. the thread to "recruit" other people?
Does astrotheme have a list of famous chefs with time of birth?
I dont know why you'd want a specialist on statistics, there's nothing easier than drawing stats...I studied stats in college actually, but I don't remember much of it...yet I know how to do it, it comes easy to me.
I can wait a few weeks until you're ready.
Peace
 
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