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Unread 12-03-2016, 06:20 PM
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Smile Aspects of a Psychopath

Brain scans show that psychopaths lack any fear due to an unused or underdeveloped function of the amygdala.

Uranus controls the amygdala right? So, what hard aspects on other planets in a natal horoscope would indicate pyschopathy.

psychopaths are extremely reward driven. They could have had a traumatizing childhood caused by abusive parents that shaped them into psychopaths. Or it can be genetically predisposed by epigenetics.

If anyone has looked into this or is curious, please share your thoughts!

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Unread 12-03-2016, 07:11 PM
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Re: Aspects of a Psychopath

here is Noel Tel, discussing Liz Greenes study of psychopaths:
Liz Greene's "The Dark of the Soul Psychopathology in the Horoscope".

http://noeltyl.com/discussion/index.php?topic=6644.0

she studied 100 charts of serial killers and found 30 percent had Moon trine or sextile Chiron.

She says Moon-Uranus as well as Moon-Chiron is very important in terms of the disconnection associated with psychopathy. She says the easy aspects of Moon-Chiron make it is easier to disconnect from the pain of the feelings, leaving only a cold cynicism. Chiron experiences, like all the planets, involve a developmental process and have the potential to pass through several stages.

There is an* initial* rage and blame stage, the feeling of being unfairly victimized and filled with black bitterness because of it. With greater consciousness, this stage can transform into an experience of suffering without rage and ultimately some people can arrive at a place of compassion* and philosophical acceptance. The problem is when people get stuck in the* rage and blame stage and with a trine they may be unconcious of it.


Scherer also has a Mars-Neptune square which she says can reflect a deep sense of impotence and powerlessness. There is the feeling that one is always being victimized but one can do nothing about it. It can generate enormous rage but it doesn't come out in a direct and honest way.

Moon-Pluto easily feels humiliated because all emotional experiences are taken so very seriously and cut very deeply. Every emotional encounter is a life or death experience.

With Venus-Saturn there is very deep isolation and hurt, a feeling of having no value and no capacity to find the self-value because the sense of impotence is too great.

As she says, lots of "normal" people have this kind of psychological picture and they act it out within relatively stable and more or less loving relationships through common or garden variety tantrums, manipulation, power battles, intense jealousy or punishing tactics when they feel aggrieved.
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Unread 12-31-2016, 02:47 PM
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Re: Aspects of a Psychopath

Hello Ars
You said

psychopaths are extremely reward driven. They could have had a traumatizing childhood caused by abusive parents that shaped them into psychopaths.

Thumbs up!
Or they simply dont handle well their energy from the chart. A bad childhood might have messed them up and they dont know how to handle things anymore.
That is how 3 people born on the same day are not the same. They all use their aspects/energies differently.


I actually have a little study about psychopaths/serial killers/rapists and I thought I could share a bit of it here
Astrologically, all of them have the same pattern



afflicted mercury or Uranus(which are both strictly bound to the mentality obviously)
mercury conjunct sun-90% of the cases (sun burns mercury)
anaretic degrees
NN in aries
(important placements in aries/libra/sag)
many Gemini suns

Basically important placements which talk about thinking which is clearly corrupted/malicious in these cases. Or impulses (Aries).
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Re: Aspects of a Psychopath

Here are some examples. You can check the charts by yourself too if you want. You find them online



JOSEF MENGELE
PISCES SUN, CANCER ASC, LIBRA MOON
(has a beautiful water pyramid-who could have said he's a psychopath?)

– member of the Nazi party who was known as the "Angel of Death", known for being the butcher who had supervised the torture and death of as many as 400,000 Jews in a maniacal quest for racial purity. He had an obsession for twins - he would take them away from their parents in order to perform some inhumane medical experimentation on them.




HAS:
Sun conjunct mercury
His Pluto in 12th exactly in Gemini is pretty shocking - especially because he had such a fascination with twins and is famous for his disgusting experiments on twins.
A nice opposition of venus in aries and libra moon.
Uranus at an anaretic degree in Capricorn conjunct mars








MARTIN BRYANT
TAURUS SUN, PISCES ASC, ARIES MOON

– mass murderer, shot 57 people in a cafe, low IQ, schizophreniac, no remorse for his actions.




HAS:
Sun conjunct mercury and NN in taurus.
Moon in aries, opposite retrograde mars... again.... in the 8th house.









JOACHIM GEORG KROLL
ARIES SUN, ??? ASC, ??? MOON

– German serial killer, child molester, rapist and cannibal. He was convicted of eight murders but confessed to a total of 14.




HAS:
Mercury at an almost anaretic degree - 0 Pisces.
Sun conjunct uranus and venus in Aries. (all square Pluto in pisces).








JEFFREY DAHMER
GEMINI SUN, LIBRA ASC, ARIES MOON


– American serial killer. On 7/23/91 a 32-year-old man fled from his apartment crying that Dahmer was trying to kill him. When police entered, they found a freezer covered with Polaroid photos of mutilated men. Inside were two severed heads; there was another in the refrigerator, human skulls in the closet and a filing cabinet, a kettle holding decomposing human hands and a penis and various body parts laying around.




HAS:
Sun at anaretic degree gemini conjunct mercury in gemini, venus all in 8th house.
Moon/mars in aries.







RICHARD RAMIREZ
PISCES SUN, SAGITTARIUS ASC, PISCES MOON


​ – American serial killer, rapist, and burglar.



HAS:
Sun in pisces, mercury conjunct moon at anaretic degree pisces.
Uranus retrograde in 8th house.



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Re: Aspects of a Psychopath

Hitler


Pretty clear over here too. Has Sun at an anaretic degree conjunct mercury in ARIES!!,
Uranus - higher mentality locked up in 12th, (opposite his sun and mercury from aries). Boom

Gemini - (mercury) mentality again locked up in 8th with pluto and neptune.



These Aries placements are very common. Psychology says that psychopath are people that let their IMPULSES (Mars) and desires (Mars) control them. So theres that. Besides the Mercury and Uranus

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Hitler


Pretty clear over here too. Has Sun at an anaretic degree conjunct mercury in ARIES!!,
Uranus - higher mentality locked up in 12th, (opposite his sun and mercury from aries). Boom

Gemini - (mercury) mentality again locked up in 8th with pluto and neptune.



These Aries placements are very common. Psychology says that psychopath are people that let their IMPULSES (Mars) and desires (Mars) control them. So theres that. Besides the Mercury and Uranus
I looked at hitlers chart awhile back. I tell you look at his angles!! for all you need.
Midheaven is at 4 degrees Leo/ IC 4 Aqua.
Sun is conjunct the 7th house cusp in the 7th. Uranus is in the 12th house in Libra. Libra rules the ascendant.

Asc is 26 Libra DC 26 Aries. Venus is domiciled in the 7th conjunct Mars in the 7th.

Pholus is at 26 degrees in Pisces. Pluto is at 4 degrees and conjunct Neptune in the 8th house!! which gave him an significant influence on mass consciousness for all time. (angles in the chart are 26 & 4)

So in a sense Pluto and Pholus which basically manifests like pluto had influence on all the angles in his chart. Not surprisingly, he was powerful figure and decided to abuse the power he was born with in the most destructive ways via the 8th house.
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Re: Aspects of a Psychopath

Speaking of Ted Bundy, I was doing a natal/Harmonic chart reading. I noticed a few people who were born on the first decans of Gemini/Saggitarius are sexually aggressive/extremist,However, the few people I know are-I won't generalize.

P Pathological Liar/an Actor? Sun/Neptune Aspect

I never believed Ted Bundy's act as a lawyer nor some the things that came out of his mouth. The Natal Sun opposite a Harmonic Neptune, A harmonic Sun/Chiron opposite his Natal Neptune. Sun Neptune is the universal aspect of liars, con artist, deceivers. Ted Bundy has it doubled up in his Natal/Harmonic. Possible abuse of drugs, alcohol is seen with this aspect. Sun conjunct Harmonic Uranus common aspect of actors, electricians,comedians. Ted Bundy was a good actor for sure. Sun/Uranus is always seen in Oscar winning actors. He was executed it on electric (Uranus) chair. Harmonic Uranus in the 12th shows people who died electrified.

Lawyer:

He has Sun/Moon in Saggitarius sign of lawyers. But both of his Harmonic Suns are in the 9th house, house of law and philosophy.

Rapist:

Harmonic Mars/Pluto conjunct nt Uranus opposite natal Moon. Mars/Pluto is the universal aspect of predators, and rapist, people who uses physical force, and sexuality to exercise their force and domination. Uranus with this combination adds kink, radicalism/extremity in sexuality opposite Moon violence emotions, home environment, violence towards women.
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Re: Aspects of a Psychopath

Richard Ramirez another famous case:

Natal Sun Opposite Pluto, The Sun Pluto combo is intercepted with Harmonics Mars/Saturn, Sun/Pluto/Saturn/Mars, violent temper, robust, great physical energy.

Hamonic Sun/Neptune conjunct Harmonic Pluto/Asc opposite Saturn, Sun/Pluto/Neptune/Saturn/Asc, satanic, tyrant, mysticism. Pluto/Neptune.
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Richard Ramirez another famous case:

Natal Sun Opposite Pluto, The Sun Pluto combo is intercepted with Harmonics Mars/Saturn, Sun/Pluto/Saturn/Mars, violent temper, robust, great physical energy.

Hamonic Sun/Neptune conjunct Harmonic Pluto/Asc opposite Saturn, Sun/Pluto/Neptune/Saturn/Asc, satanic, tyrant, mysticism. Pluto/Neptune.
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I looked at hitlers chart awhile back. I tell you look at his angles!! for all you need.
Midheaven is at 4 degrees Leo/ IC 4 Aqua.
Sun is conjunct the 7th house cusp in the 7th. Uranus is in the 12th house in Libra. Libra rules the ascendant.

Asc is 26 Libra DC 26 Aries. Venus is domiciled in the 7th conjunct Mars in the 7th.

Pholus is at 26 degrees in Pisces. Pluto is at 4 degrees and conjunct Neptune in the 8th house!! which gave him an significant influence on mass consciousness for all time. (angles in the chart are 26 & 4)

So in a sense Pluto and Pholus which basically manifests like pluto had influence on all the angles in his chart. Not surprisingly, he was powerful figure and decided to abuse the power he was born with in the most destructive ways via the 8th house.

Hitler's harmonic Sun is in the eight house conjunct Natal Neptune/Pluto.
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Hitler's harmonic Sun is in the eight house conjunct Natal Neptune/Pluto.
How did you pull up a chart for Hitlers harmonic Sun?- I thought harmonic charts were by number. How did you isolate the sun?

Just curious. I'd like to learn this method.
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