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what kind of woman this Virgo is attracted to?

Hello,
I like this man. I still do not know if he likes me back. ( maybe).
Please tell me what kind of woman is he attracted to?

I dont know his birth time that is why i put 12:00.
I know he has Venus in Libra so a lot of affairs and falling in Love?

Doesnt matter my zodiac sign and etc. He is clever, shy but with a mask very big mask he puts on himself- sometimes its very hard for me to break it but he is nice to me.

What do you think?

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Re: what kind of woman this Virgo is attracted to?

Your question is impossible to answer, for a few reasons:

1. What kind of people we need as partners, and what kind we're likely to be attracted to, is described by the seventh house and its ruler. Fifth house can also play a part. Without an accurate birth time, we have no way of knowing where his house cusps are.

2. Even if you did know his birth time, the indications of seventh and fifth house are very, very broad. Every planet, sign, and placement has many possible meanings. Regarding who he's attracted to, some of those meanings will apply to him and some won't. Without him here to give feedback, we have no way of knowing how that's working for him.

3. Even if we knew what kind of people he's attracted to, that's just looking at very general personality characteristics that can take many forms. Birth charts don't show if you're attracted to particular physical types, necessarily. They don't even show whether you're attracted to women or men or both.

4. Birth charts don't tell us what a person's situation is at any given time. Not even his accurate chart could tell us if he's available for a relationship, if he's interested in having one at this time, or even if he's attracted to women. Let alone if he's attracted to you.

Finally, it's just plain unethical to ask astrological questions about someone else without their informed consent. It's only ethical if you're asking about them just as far as they affect you. You could ask if you have a chance of a relationship with him, and that would be a fair question, but it still wouldn't be possible to answer based on natal astrology.

If you cast a synastry chart between you and him, it would show what kind of dynamics the two of you would be likely to have if you had a relationship. But it wouldn't show how either of you actually feels about the other right now. It wouldn't tell us if he's interested in you, or not interested in you, or involved with someone else, or any of that.
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Your question is impossible to answer, for a few reasons:

1. What kind of people we need as partners, and what kind we're likely to be attracted to, is described by the seventh house and its ruler. Fifth house can also play a part. Without an accurate birth time, we have no way of knowing where his house cusps are.

2. Even if you did know his birth time, the indications of seventh and fifth house are very, very broad. Every planet, sign, and placement has many possible meanings. Regarding who he's attracted to, some of those meanings will apply to him and some won't. Without him here to give feedback, we have no way of knowing how that's working for him.

3. Even if we knew what kind of people he's attracted to, that's just looking at very general personality characteristics that can take many forms. Birth charts don't show if you're attracted to particular physical types, necessarily. They don't even show whether you're attracted to women or men or both.

4. Birth charts don't tell us what a person's situation is at any given time. Not even his accurate chart could tell us if he's available for a relationship, if he's interested in having one at this time, or even if he's attracted to women. Let alone if he's attracted to you.

Finally, it's just plain unethical to ask astrological questions about someone else without their informed consent. It's only ethical if you're asking about them just as far as they affect you. You could ask if you have a chance of a relationship with him, and that would be a fair question, but it still wouldn't be possible to answer based on natal astrology.

If you cast a synastry chart between you and him, it would show what kind of dynamics the two of you would be likely to have if you had a relationship. But it wouldn't show how either of you actually feels about the other right now. It wouldn't tell us if he's interested in you, or not interested in you, or involved with someone else, or any of that.
Hello
i understand your position. Maybe i just asked the question in a wrong way.
I mean i just want to see (?) if we would be compatibile, how our charts affects each other.
I dont know his birth time thats why i put 12:00.

I see that there is a problem with Saturn square Venus ( again in my relations) and I am the saturnian person.
I dont want anyone to feel bad about me.


I have a tendency to connect with weird types , very deep but intelligent people. Usually others are not friends with them. It is weird.
Its not my first time. But i feel insecure, i feel weird inside when I approach him. Its like i feel sadness and general depression that is covered by being popular.

Others do not see that ( or dont wanna see that) but it makes me think more deeply and analyse - which comes to my brainstorming and me being tired everyday.
I know he is Virgo and I had some weird stories with Virgos before. I felt like a child in front of other Virgos. Here he is nice but i am scared.

What do you think?
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I see that there is a problem with Saturn square Venus ( again in my relations) and I am the saturnian person.
I dont want anyone to feel bad about me.
I think that problem is much more than just Saturn square Venus. For one thing, you have Saturn and Moon conjunct, so if the other person's Venus squares your Saturn, it also squares your Moon. The way they love and relate, and the way they go about being romantic, is in friction with your deep emotional and security needs.

That doesn't necessarily mean your emotional needs can't be met in that relationship, just that they have to be met some other way than basic romance. If the Venus person has Venus in Libra, they're likely to want to woo you in the classic sense, wine and roses romantic, while if they have it in Aries, they're likely to want to enjoy some kind of challenge with you--their idea of a good date is more like climbing a mountain than like sitting in a fancy restaurant--but Capricorn moon needs, above all, the comforts of having structure and of having a goal to achieve, which neither a Libra nor an Aries style of romance exactly meets. Moon conjunct Saturn, and in Capricorn on top of that, may mean that it's pretty well impossible for anyone, no matter what they do for you or what kind of relationship you have, to meet your emotional needs--so you might be left feeling, this romance should be fulfilling, but it's not. Meanwhile, the other person is probably going to feel like they're hitting a brick wall in trying to please you.

Not only that, if the people you date are your age, they have the same Saturn placement as you--closer to exact the closer in age you are--which means that, if their Venus squares your Saturn, it also squares their own Saturn. Their ability to love and relate has always been challenged by whatever Saturn represents to them--perhaps rules, structure, authority, strict parents--or perhaps, since you and your birth cohort have Saturn conjunct Uranus and Neptune, structure trying to happen under chaotic, unpredictable circumstances involving illusions and broken promises. With your Moon/Saturn energy, they'll feel they're running into that all over again, in some way, when they become intimate with you. To not have that ruin the relationship, they would have to have come to terms with what their Venus square Saturn represents, and make it work for them... but many people, especially young people, don't have those difficult chart factors worked out.

And with all of your peers, you have another dynamic that could make for relationship difficulty: your Venus is in square with your Pluto. That means your ability to love and relate is challenged by what Pluto represents: the dark side of human nature, however you may have experienced it in your life, taboos, the deeply held dark secrets that affect your whole generation but that people aren't aware of, that kind of thing. Everyone your age has the same Pluto placement as you, and because Pluto moves so slowly, its birth cohort is even bigger than Saturn's: everyone in your generation has the same Pluto sign,and everyone up to about 3-4 years older or younger than you has Pluto within orb of square with your Venus--so anyone you date in that age range will have Pluto triggering that Pluto/Venus square for you. If they have other placements in conjunction, opposition, or square with it, that furthers the dynamic.

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I have a tendency to connect with weird types , very deep but intelligent people. Usually others are not friends with them. It is weird.
That's very Aquarius. A perfect reflection of your seventh house. The seventh house doesn't just indicate who we attract romantically, it's also who we draw into our lives in any sense. Since your eleventh house is ruled by Venus in Aquarius, your friends are indicated in that way, too.

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Its not my first time. But i feel insecure, i feel weird inside when I approach him. Its like i feel sadness and general depression that is covered by being popular.
Is this "sadness and general depression that is covered by being popular" how you feel about him in particular? Or is that how you feel in general? Your description of that feeling fits perfectly with the combination of Capricorn moon and Leo rising. If it's an especially strong feeling around him, he must have something in his chart that triggers that for you. Perhaps moon with yours (that will have to be a subject for another post).

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I know he is Virgo and I had some weird stories with Virgos before. I felt like a child in front of other Virgos. Here he is nice but i am scared.
Sun sign has little or nothing to do with compatibility. The planets that carry the most weight in synastry are moon, Venus, and, because it's about how you think and communicate, Mercury. The moon can be anywhere in relation to the sun, so Virgos don't all have a moon placement that would set things off, but Mercury and Venus are never that far from the sun. I think their Mercury and/or Venus placements are probably what you're seeing as problematic with Virgos:

All Virgos have Mercury in Virgo, Leo, or Libra. Most of them have Venus in Virgo, Leo, or Libra, too, while a few have Venus in late Cancer or early Scorpio. Early Scorpio Venus would square your Mars, and bring Venus into the square dynamic through your Mars/Venus conjunction. Any placement in Libra is, by sign and possibly by orb, square your Moon/Saturn and/or in opposition to your Sun/Mercury. Any placement in Leo could oppose your Venus and square your (and probably their) Pluto, activating that dynamic. What's notably absent here is difficult dynamics involving the sign Virgo itself.

All that doesn't say much about the actual dynamics between you and this guy. But that will be another post.

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Now, the synastry aspects between you and your friend here. The most important ones to look at are what's going on between your moons, Venuses, and Mercurys.

Moon: you and he have the best possible placement for compatibility. We don't know exactly where his moon is, not knowing his birth time, but in this case, there's no question of moon sign. Six degrees earlier or later than where it is in this chart would still be solidly in Capricorn. No matter what time he was born, his moon is in the same sign as yours. People with the same moon sign have highly similar needs when it comes to emotions and comfort and security, and instinctively understand each other's needs. Shared or harmonious moon signs also mean, often, that you want the same kinds of things in your home environment--so, if you had a relationship that got serious enough to live together, you would probably live together well.

His moon might be conjunct yours. It might be conjunct his Saturn. Even if it's not, moon in Capricorn has a similar energy to moon conjunct Saturn in any sign. He would understand your Saturn/moon needs and responses very well, because he has them himself.

This placement should balance out some of the Venus square energy, because he has his own Venus square his own moon and Saturn, by sign and possibly by orb. He's used to that kind of energy. Encountering the same dynamic in a relationship with another person would be, more or less, like encountering it in himself. It's not as likely to cause problems as it would be with someone who has Venus square your moon but not their own. However, if any problems do result from this, it wouldn't be an "I just don't understand you" kind of problem, instead, it would be a "You're too much like me" kind of problem.

Venus: As you noted, he has Venus square your Saturn and moon. See above about that. Your Venus and his are, however, harmoniously placed. Though out of orb, they're trine by sign. That means that, when it comes to how you do romance, how you relate to others, and how you draw people in, both of you operate in similar ways. You might not be able to meet each other's deepest emotional needs (that Capricorn/Saturn moon!), but if you both recognize that and allow each other space for that, you could relate to each other in a very satisfactory way. Libra and Aquarius are both air signs, so have communication as a theme: you would have a lot to say to each other, both literally and figuratively.

Mercury: While your relating styles (Venus) are harmonious, your thought and communication styles (Mercury) are opposites. You're Aries Mercury, and he's Libra Mercury. You are likely to say what you have to say directly and bluntly, while he would have Libra's instinct to keep it polite and diplomatic and less direct. And for you, Mercury is combust--conjunct the sun--so your communication is your core self. You don't see any separation between the two. For him, however, core self and communication live in different places--sun and Mercury are not only not that close together, they're in different signs. He has a sense of self separate from how he communicates. You do not.

That doesn't necessarily mean you can't have a good relationship, but it does mean that in order to have a good relationship, you would both have to be aware that you communicate and think in different ways. You would have to respect each other's differences and learn how to reach each other despite those differences. Unlike Moon and Venus, this isn't the part of the relationship that would come effortlessly. This is the part that would take work. If you're not doing the work... that's when an opposition becomes a bad aspect. It's not bad in and of itself. What causes the trouble is how people respond to it. The same is true of squares, only squares are much more in-your-face.

Your Mercury squares his Uranus/Saturn, and possibly his moon, while his squares yours by sign but not by orb. That could be another inharmonious aspect, but there are mitigating factors. For one thing, you both have that square by sign between Moon and Mercury in your own charts, so it's familiar energy. For another, his Mercury trines your Venus/Mars conjunction, while your Moon forms a nearly exact trine with his sun and Mars. That suggests potential for the Mercury differences you have to lend themselves to, instead of vicious fights, friendly debate or competition. That could be the spice of your relationship. If the relationship went sour, vicious fights could still happen, but they're not the first thing that comes to mind.

That still doesn't tell us if he's attracted to you. I think, though, that if he is, there are enough factors in favor of a relationship to make it worth pursuing, if that's what you want. There isn't anything here that would be likely to cause problems that you wouldn't also have with someone else, and there are some factors to mitigate the problems you might have with someone else.

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hello, thank you so much for the answer you wrote.

I must say i am impressed of you writing all of those words and analysing these charts.

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Moon: you and he have the best possible placement for compatibility. We don't know exactly where his moon is, not knowing his birth time, but in this case, there's no question of moon sign. Six degrees earlier or later than where it is in this chart would still be solidly in Capricorn. No matter what time he was born, his moon is in the same sign as yours. People with the same moon sign have highly similar needs when it comes to emotions and comfort and security, and instinctively understand each other's needs. Shared or harmonious moon signs also mean, often, that you want the same kinds of things in your home environment--so, if you had a relationship that got serious enough to live together, you would probably live together well.

His moon might be conjunct yours. It might be conjunct his Saturn. Even if it's not, moon in Capricorn has a similar energy to moon conjunct Saturn in any sign. He would understand your Saturn/moon needs and responses very well, because he has them himself.

This placement should balance out some of the Venus square energy, because he has his own Venus square his own moon and Saturn, by sign and possibly by orb. He's used to that kind of energy. Encountering the same dynamic in a relationship with another person would be, more or less, like encountering it in himself. It's not as likely to cause problems as it would be with someone who has Venus square your moon but not their own. However, if any problems do result from this, it wouldn't be an "I just don't understand you" kind of problem, instead, it would be a "You're too much like me" kind of problem
When you wrote about possible feeling of similarity - i must say that sometimes i 'feel' this feeling inside him. Its weird because sometimes he 'cares of me' and is nice to me like to noone else. Some of his/our friends are surprised that he treats me differently.
I saw in him a bit of a deeper understanding of life. Maybe that may sound weird but actually I MYSELF feel those things in people.

He is popular i am not as popular as him , we have known each other for some time but STILL i have a feeling he likes me being vournelable. And its weird because i can FEEL his vournelable side as well. Even though he hides it in front of the others.

I know he plays a cocky man, a very confident boy but inside he is very fragile. That is why i know i must play even more feminine or fragile than him.
I feel that and i sense that. He has other male friends that he introduced me to- they are different. Their energy is more masculine and 'straight'. Kind of i can predict their moves because i feel they are masculine.
With him- i know he is a man , that hides his feminines side outside. I dont know why. Maybe he is not confident being so vournelable.

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Venus: As you noted, he has Venus square your Saturn and moon. See above about that. Your Venus and his are, however, harmoniously placed. Though out of orb, they're trine by sign. That means that, when it comes to how you do romance, how you relate to others, and how you draw people in, both of you operate in similar ways. You might not be able to meet each other's deepest emotional needs (that Capricorn/Saturn moon!), but if you both recognize that and allow each other space for that, you could relate to each other in a very satisfactory way. Libra and Aquarius are both air signs, so have communication as a theme: you would have a lot to say to each other, both literally and figuratively.
Sometimes we 'play' and 'stick' together like good friends but i see and feel a weird emotional friction. He plays with my deepest emotions like noone i have met for example in the last 2-3 years. this is why i must have written this thread!.


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Mercury: While your relating styles (Venus) are harmonious, your thought and communication styles (Mercury) are opposites. You're Aries Mercury, and he's Libra Mercury. You are likely to say what you have to say directly and bluntly, while he would have Libra's instinct to keep it polite and diplomatic and less direct. And for you, Mercury is combust--conjunct the sun--so your communication is your core self. You don't see any separation between the two. For him, however, core self and communication live in different places--sun and Mercury are not only not that close together, they're in different signs. He has a sense of self separate from how he communicates. You do not.

That doesn't necessarily mean you can't have a good relationship, but it does mean that in order to have a good relationship, you would both have to be aware that you communicate and think in different ways. You would have to respect each other's differences and learn how to reach each other despite those differences. Unlike Moon and Venus, this isn't the part of the relationship that would come effortlessly. This is the part that would take work. If you're not doing the work... that's when an opposition becomes a bad aspect. It's not bad in and of itself. What causes the trouble is how people respond to it. The same is true of squares, only squares are much more in-your-face.

Your Mercury squares his Uranus/Saturn, and possibly his moon, while his squares yours by sign but not by orb. That could be another inharmonious aspect, but there are mitigating factors. For one thing, you both have that square by sign between Moon and Mercury in your own charts, so it's familiar energy. For another, his Mercury trines your Venus/Mars conjunction, while your Moon forms a nearly exact trine with his sun and Mars. That suggests potential for the Mercury differences you have to lend themselves to, instead of vicious fights, friendly debate or competition. That could be the spice of your relationship. If the relationship went sour, vicious fights could still happen, but they're not the first thing that comes to mind.
Yes, you are on point!!!
Sometimes i think that he 'doesnt like' what i say because i say what i think. Its straight. When i do not do it he is surprised because i remain silent.
He is very diplomatic. Like VERY VERY diplomatic. He knows which words to choose to please people or to make others feel good. Of course he also is very assertive but on a maybe more feminine manner?
Like he thinks and then communicates and I communicate what i think.
Before when i was maybe not so assertive I was being nice all the time and i was fake. People didnt understand my needs because i was not real to myself and to the world. I wanted to be approved by others. Now i dont need to.

But i must learn somehow to be diplomatic in terms of relationships and business. Even my parents STILL say i dont have to be so sharp and so energetic when i SAY because i might scare people off.

Generally people like me but my first impression is sharp. Still dont know why. I must learn to be a bit more feminine...

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That still doesn't tell us if he's attracted to you. I think, though, that if he is, there are enough factors in favor of a relationship to make it worth pursuing, if that's what you want. There isn't anything here that would be likely to cause problems that you wouldn't also have with someone else, and there are some factors to mitigate the problems you might have with someone else.
of course. here i went deeper a bit and started analysing horoscopes and synastries. but generally its very simple. women feel when man is interested. and i felt that. But i just needed to make sure HOW to somehow not scare him or HOW we can relate.



adding the last quote from your previous post :
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Is this "sadness and general depression that is covered by being popular" how you feel about him in particular? Or is that how you feel in general? Your description of that feeling fits perfectly with the combination of Capricorn moon and Leo rising. If it's an especially strong feeling around him, he must have something in his chart that triggers that for you. Perhaps moon with yours (that will have to be a subject for another post).
i do not feel sad and depressed all the time. I am maybe more melancholic type than even my siblings and people from family. Its been like that for ages. WIth my Aquarius placements i have always been involved with some relations with weird people that outkasts that noone is friends with - an i must have protected them from the popular ones.

BUT I MYSELF , with my Leo Rising very popular as well and its a contradiction. Because I FEEL better with normal people, oridinary BUT AUTOMATICALLY, NATUARLLY i become popular. I am 'attractive and prettuy' when i am 28 y.o i see that. Before i thought i was an outkast but i am a person who walks into the room and people follows her.
Its something i have learnt just 2-3 years ago. I was surprised that THE POPULAR ONES wanted to be friends with me.
I have always associated me with the '2nd part of ' people, those unpopular nerds. But outside i didnt know , people liked me and wanted to be a leader of their class or something.

I was working so much and i was doing those things because innerly i felt unnapreciated- i didnt have a man in some years and i didnt know why. I thought I was ugly and noone wanted me. Now it changes i feel more appreciated and sometimes i just dont want to scare people.
I am not 'grey' i am very corolful, even my face shape is sharp with very characteristic peature. I come from Poland i am not like a polish blond stereotypical woman. I am more French.

Its sad that i have gained my confidence just when i was 25 or 24. Before really i was hiding myself in a mask i didnt believe in me.
That is why maybe i connected somehow with him becuase I SEE and I KNOW his path to become popular.

With his Moon in Cap he perfectly fits the description because his parents divorced. Now his father is very prominent man in the city council but he has much more younger lover.
His mother has been left alone. She is 'normal'. He always was writing about her on facebook. Itw as weird because it was for me just to show off but now i think he didnt know how to describe his painful emotions.
His family home was very catholic and strict. He became a rebel, tattooed guy that is an atheist.
ANd he became popular and i saw he had lots of short romances with party women.

SO its something i want to avoid. Thank you.

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I think he likes you saying what you think, straight. Perhaps he admires that in you because it's not something he knows how to do himself, and not, judging from how you've described your expectation of femininity, what people around you expect from a woman.

His chart as a whole is earth dominant, with Mars near the sun. That suggests a person who is, at the core, pretty strong willed, and strong in himself. Men like that usually like women who can match them. You have a lot of earth in your chart, too, and that along with your fiery way of communicating is probably showing him that you are his match. But, in your bluntness, you also show him what he's lacking in himself. If he's not frightened off by that... and if he's been your friend for so long, he's obviously not... then he likes that in you, probably admires you for it.

Being a Libra Mercury, it's not at all natural for him to communicate bluntly, any more than it's natural for you to be diplomatic and "feminine." This is a case of, probably, opposites attract. Not only that, he has no fire at all in his chart. Even if he has a fire rising sign (which we don't know), it's still a fire deficient chart. You, with Leo rising and Aries sun/Merc trine the ascendant, show him that fire that he lacks.

I don't think he needs you to play more feminine and fragile than him. Rather, he needs you to be yourself, even if that self is more "masculine". You have a similar emotional landscape to his, and if you can show him that honestly, he would relate.

Judging from how you describe the way he acts around you, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is attracted to you. Being nice to you but walled off and indirect, sounds exactly like what someone with his chart would do if they feel a deep emotional connection to someone along with attraction. He may think you couldn't possibly like him in that way, and with the Capricorn moon inwardness and Libra unwillingness to rock the boat, along with perhaps some self-critical Virgo in the picture, he's not going to want to risk expressing more.

So, if someone's going to express interest, it will have to be you. You know him and I don't, so you're in a better position to think of how to do it best. Perhaps you could write him a note about how you feel. Perhaps you could try talking about some of your deeper feelings with him (not necessarily your feelings about him, but feelings in general) and see how he responds and go from there.

Regardless of whether this ends up being a romantic relationship, you could have an even closer friendship if you got more open.
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I think he likes you saying what you think, straight. Perhaps he admires that in you because it's not something he knows how to do himself, and not, judging from how you've described your expectation of femininity, what people around you expect from a woman.

His chart as a whole is earth dominant, with Mars near the sun. That suggests a person who is, at the core, pretty strong willed, and strong in himself. Men like that usually like women who can match them. You have a lot of earth in your chart, too, and that along with your fiery way of communicating is probably showing him that you are his match. But, in your bluntness, you also show him what he's lacking in himself. If he's not frightened off by that... and if he's been your friend for so long, he's obviously not... then he likes that in you, probably admires you for it.

Being a Libra Mercury, it's not at all natural for him to communicate bluntly, any more than it's natural for you to be diplomatic and "feminine." This is a case of, probably, opposites attract. Not only that, he has no fire at all in his chart. Even if he has a fire rising sign (which we don't know), it's still a fire deficient chart. You, with Leo rising and Aries sun/Merc trine the ascendant, show him that fire that he lacks.

I don't think he needs you to play more feminine and fragile than him. Rather, he needs you to be yourself, even if that self is more "masculine". You have a similar emotional landscape to his, and if you can show him that honestly, he would relate.

Judging from how you describe the way he acts around you, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is attracted to you. Being nice to you but walled off and indirect, sounds exactly like what someone with his chart would do if they feel a deep emotional connection to someone along with attraction. He may think you couldn't possibly like him in that way, and with the Capricorn moon inwardness and Libra unwillingness to rock the boat, along with perhaps some self-critical Virgo in the picture, he's not going to want to risk expressing more.

So, if someone's going to express interest, it will have to be you. You know him and I don't, so you're in a better position to think of how to do it best. Perhaps you could write him a note about how you feel. Perhaps you could try talking about some of your deeper feelings with him (not necessarily your feelings about him, but feelings in general) and see how he responds and go from there.

Regardless of whether this ends up being a romantic relationship, you could have an even closer friendship if you got more open.

hello,
thank you for your advice.
the problem with me is that i am afraid of any relationships with men.
in the past i had bad experiences with my one ex and actually i thought i had a trauma for some years. now when i see this it was not a very big deal but i overreacted a bit .
so i dont wanna exaggeratemy emotions here as well.
i need to be realistic.


i know women like him. i know that he likes pretty women, beautiful girl who work hard.

but he also smokes and drinks and he used to party hard. he likes women like that as well. and women like that are actually very loud and confident in a negative manner. like they need to be on the topof everything not caring of others in even minimal sense.
and he likes that because for him its a real beauty with no blockage. when a woman is natural.


i am not like that. i have hesitations.
he is friends with 'bad girls' who didnt care to have 10 men in a row and smoke weed every day. and then they change for good students.

for me its like ;wtf!!!!

im not a catholic, im not a nun, i thought i was a normal person who didnt have to show off but sometimes i thin i need to.


he told me once to show off and to be the best.
iknow what he meant.
those women didnt care if they trample over people or do their thing.


i hope that i am not just a 'nice and light' impression for 5 minutes and then he again turns to be a bad boy.

but i can see and i can check.
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This is where not knowing his birth time is limiting what we can figure out astrologically. His moon placement isn't evident in his behavior at all. If it were, he would act much more serious and introverted, not just regarding women and dating, but in general. His sun placement doesn't really seem to be, either. Virgo is single minded, process oriented, happiest when working on something, but doesn't get involved in relationship drama or even care that much about having a relationship. Virgo sun people usually do, but that's because they have other chart placements that provide more of a relationship orientation. Nobody is all one sign--I'm just describing sign archetypes here.

That his dating behavior is so different from what his sun and moon placements suggest, tells us that the way he meets the world--ascendant--and the way he draws relationships in--descendant--is guided by signs with a very different message from Virgo and Capricorn. I think we can safely say he doesn't have an earth sign ascendant. More likely, it's either a fire sign or an air sign. If it's an air sign, it's possible that his Mercury or Venus is on his ascendant (Libra rising) or trine his ascendant (Gemini or Aquarius rising). If that's the case, he's relating to people and drawing them in through the Libra in him--that diplomatic politeness that you see--and he's particularly interested in fiery women (air sign rising means fire sign descending)--which you are, if not as extreme as those other women he's dated.

But his deepest needs are shown by his moon (what he needs emotionally) and sun (what he needs for core personal growth). Both of those suggest a seriousness, likely tendencies to self criticism (Virgo) and melancholy (Capricorn), and a need for personal work and achievement (Virgo/Capricorn). These placements may be in a hidden part of the chart, not connecting with his ascendant at all. He's got that serious, self critical, and possibly depressive self buried deep inside him. It's not emerging in social situations.

You can relate to him most easily on a deep emotional level. Your shared moon placement and Venus trine tell us that. Where you aren't meeting him is superficially (opposite Mercurys), and that superficial part is the gatekeeper.

You seem to have a similar history yourself. Your popular, fiery, Leo/Aries persona is quite different from your deep emotional needs. Have the people you dated before met you on an emotional level? Or was it more of a superficial relationship?

If we had his accurate house placements, we could see whether he's just someone whose emotions naturally live in a different place from his social and romantic life, or someone who really needs a romantic partner who can connect with him emotionally. Different seventh houses, Venus house placements, etc., would tell different stories on that. If it's the first, you could never be more than his good friend, because he just wouldn't see you as a romantic possibility, ever. If it's the second, then he's covering up his real needs by dating people who don't meet them. In that case, you probably are someone who would meet his real partnership needs. The question is whether he's ready to make the change.

I've done some chart reading on here for someone who was born within a few days of him, and that person was in the second case situation: they'd been dating people who didn't meet their real partnership needs, and decided they were ready to make changes. The similarity of the charts, and the disconnect between his social behavior and the needs that his sign placements alone suggest, lead me to suspect that something similar is going on with him.

If that's so, then for him to be open to a romantic relationship with you, he would have to be feeling that what he's had isn't fulfilling, and he would have to be ready to admit that he needs a deeper emotional connection, and ready to consider the possibility he could have a deeper emotional connection with someone who is also a romantic interest. Which he may or may not be. If he isn't, he would most likely push you away if you tried to initiate something. If he is, he would probably be very happy to know that you have feelings for him.

With his placements, if he does want a deeper emotional connection in a relationship, and does have any interest in you, again, it's not likely that he'll express it. He may be trying to keep things superficial between you out of fear that you would reject him if he opened himself up to anything deeper.
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thank you so much for the answer.
i have been wondering about some issue additionaly.
about me and my energy.
i usually come off as a 'masculine type'. the first impression of me is very energetic, attractive but somehow i scare somepeople.

usually ,in the past i was with 'weaker' type of men.
its not because i am a man- like woman but i need to reset or need some more time to be more feminine.

i have no idea why i am like that . i ve been struggling with that since high school.

i was 'bros' with men i was attracted to but i had an inner fear not to be on their level to date them. and i was usually with cool but niceand weaker types.


since 3 years ( my relationship lol) i try to be more calm, and serious and more feminine.
but its usually very long( the process) because i with my insecurities and fear i need to come off as a strong person ( mentally and phisically) and then people see my change.

how can i be more feminine from the 1st impression?

we need ying yang in our lives- i usually was masculine all the time. and also with my sharp and energectic face features as well as posture.

like an athlete.

what do you think?

thank you.
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Feminine is much broader than you seem to think. Tomboy girls are feminine. Outspoken, blunt women are feminine. It's a different kind from soft, gentle femininity, but still feminine. Being feminine can still involve a very yang personality.

The way you describe yourself, it sounds like your feminine energy is more like a warrior woman. Boudica. Joan of Arc. Katniss Everdeen. Going into mythology, you could consider a goddess like Artemis (Greek) or Freya (Norse) to be your archetype. Powerful women, relate to men as equals, not concerned with being feminine, or not feminine.

Your chart is full of that kind of feminine energy. I think what's really scaring people, though, is the power you radiate from Pluto square Venus. Pluto almost squares your AC, too, it's just a little out of orb. If there's any question about the accuracy of your recorded time of birth, it might actually be a closer square.

Are the people you scare always men? I have Pluto square my AC, and I've had that effect on men sometimes. It was especially noticeable when I was in my late teens to mid twenties. I've run into other women on here who had similar experiences with a Pluto/AC square in their natal charts. The exceptions--men who didn't react that way--were men who were comfortable with feminine power. If they weren't, that's when they would be scared.

It's not insecurity that makes you need to come off as a strong person. That's who you naturally are. Insecurity makes you think you shouldn't be so strong.

When you have that kind of power, all you can do is claim it. If you try to push it away, it just trips you up.

Pluto isn't just square your Venus, it's also square your nodal axis. That means it's something you have to integrate over the course of your life--energy that isn't comfortable for you because of your past life experience with it. If you believe in literal past lives, we could say that Pluto represents what you weren't ready to absorb in your previous lives, or something that hindered or harmed you, or both. We could also regard it, not as a past life story, but as what your ancestors and your culture couldn't face, and you've inherited the task of coming to terms with it.

Your nodes also represent your own journey, over the course of your life, starting with what's comfortable, familiar, but stifling, and ending up with something new that breaks out of the stifling patterns.

South node, where you're starting from, tells us that you're starting with a sense of self (first house) based heavily on social approval (Leo). You've succeeded in gaining that social approval, very, very well: you're popular, without even trying to be. Where you're going--north node--is into being yourself and telling your truth without needing permission from society (Aquarius). That Venus and Mars are both with your north node, tells us that you're integrating masculine and feminine energies. Venus, being right on your north node, has the stronger message, and you're showing it here, by grappling with the idea that you're not feminine enough. It's coming to terms with what femininity means for you, that you're working on.

Venus is femininity, but in Aquarius, she's not soft, meek feminine. She's the kind of feminine that speaks her mind, does what she likes, dresses how she prefers, and doesn't care whether others think that's feminine or masculine or what.

You're also an Aries: warrior energy right there. Mars sextiles your sun and combust Mercury. There's absolutely no way you're not going to be in the world as a warrior type. Maybe your fighting is with words rather than fists, but it's still warrior woman energy.
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Feminine is much broader than you seem to think. Tomboy girls are feminine. Outspoken, blunt women are feminine. It's a different kind from soft, gentle femininity, but still feminine. Being feminine can still involve a very yang personality.

The way you describe yourself, it sounds like your feminine energy is more like a warrior woman. Boudica. Joan of Arc. Katniss Everdeen. Going into mythology, you could consider a goddess like Artemis (Greek) or Freya (Norse) to be your archetype. Powerful women, relate to men as equals, not concerned with being feminine, or not feminine.

Your chart is full of that kind of feminine energy. I think what's really scaring people, though, is the power you radiate from Pluto square Venus. Pluto almost squares your AC, too, it's just a little out of orb. If there's any question about the accuracy of your recorded time of birth, it might actually be a closer square.

Are the people you scare always men? I have Pluto square my AC, and I've had that effect on men sometimes. It was especially noticeable when I was in my late teens to mid twenties. I've run into other women on here who had similar experiences with a Pluto/AC square in their natal charts. The exceptions--men who didn't react that way--were men who were comfortable with feminine power. If they weren't, that's when they would be scared.

It's not insecurity that makes you need to come off as a strong person. That's who you naturally are. Insecurity makes you think you shouldn't be so strong.

When you have that kind of power, all you can do is claim it. If you try to push it away, it just trips you up.

Pluto isn't just square your Venus, it's also square your nodal axis. That means it's something you have to integrate over the course of your life--energy that isn't comfortable for you because of your past life experience with it. If you believe in literal past lives, we could say that Pluto represents what you weren't ready to absorb in your previous lives, or something that hindered or harmed you, or both. We could also regard it, not as a past life story, but as what your ancestors and your culture couldn't face, and you've inherited the task of coming to terms with it.

Your nodes also represent your own journey, over the course of your life, starting with what's comfortable, familiar, but stifling, and ending up with something new that breaks out of the stifling patterns.

South node, where you're starting from, tells us that you're starting with a sense of self (first house) based heavily on social approval (Leo). You've succeeded in gaining that social approval, very, very well: you're popular, without even trying to be. Where you're going--north node--is into being yourself and telling your truth without needing permission from society (Aquarius). That Venus and Mars are both with your north node, tells us that you're integrating masculine and feminine energies. Venus, being right on your north node, has the stronger message, and you're showing it here, by grappling with the idea that you're not feminine enough. It's coming to terms with what femininity means for you, that you're working on.

Venus is femininity, but in Aquarius, she's not soft, meek feminine. She's the kind of feminine that speaks her mind, does what she likes, dresses how she prefers, and doesn't care whether others think that's feminine or masculine or what.

You're also an Aries: warrior energy right there. Mars sextiles your sun and combust Mercury. There's absolutely no way you're not going to be in the world as a warrior type. Maybe your fighting is with words rather than fists, but it's still warrior woman energy.
yes, thank you for the answer like that.
i have always thought i was like that.

inner self was always telling me to fight and to be the best.

even family ( when i was younger) was surprised that i was so fight-ful and fiery.

i was making a lot of drama at home but outside i was nice and i let people go over me(?). i hope this expression is ok.

its because of my inner insecurities.
my parents are not c. they are mid - class . but comparing to the others i was always lacking something.

i come from intelligent family with academic background but somehow my parents got lost in the past and instead of living their own lives they started helping everyone forgetting about themselves. they are freelancers as well so it was very complicated for them to live the life they wanted . they are also GOOD PEOPLE and NICE people especially my dad.
so my mum took the role of a man in a relationship. and since childhood i have been given this picture of a very strong woman.

it was strenghten in my teens and later at university when i overcame every obstacles alone or with help of my parents ( as my friends were surpsised that i have been a strong woman).

so i created a picture of a very strong individual who didnt need any help. because i was insecure that people would know that i was not very rich ( now i know that usually people dont care, and they accepted me in a way that i was).

those things became as an addiction to me because i started feeling bad and i put myself on a low level. my self esteem was very low as i started to connect with toxic type of people.

i attracted people that very very negative and i thought that they were my best friiends. now i know it was toxic because getting and putting down is not good for you.
life is simple when you have a good mindset. because of my insecurities and those people my life became very hard and difficult.

we had long conversations of my poor family, some philosophical thoughts. it became very bad to the point that i started to say bad thing about my family. and the priority for me was to move out immidiatelly with a help of those toxic friends.

but i made a mistake because i told them almost everything of me painting a picture of me a sa weak person a person who needs helps and love.

so when it comes to my relations with men. usually i have been ( mentally) guided by toxe toxic girl - friends to the point that i was asking them for a permission to date or talk to other male friends.

it was even 3 years ago. i was not assertive.

when i became popular in some evnironment those toxic women were petting me down by saying some bad things about my family, and were putting out my past insecurties that i was telling them in secrets. so they were telling about my problems, family and finances to some men i was attracted to.

because they needed to have a control and they needed to be the best in those eyes. EVEN thought they had boyfriends. it was about the attention.

so actually it turned out than those men or MAN i was attracted to treated e like a child because with gossips they thought i was weak or i needed help.

and it was contradiction for them that with my Leo Asc and Aries Sun at 1st impression i was a strong lady.
so others ( women) were digging deeper to my insecure wounds to make me feel bad.

it was about 3-4 years. i didnt have anyone. in 2015 that was ONE story with one of those woman that i just cut the line off. she didnt want me to be happy with someone. and i started gaining my confidence. not outside but inner confidence.

i didnt let anyone control me and i am still gaining power. it was in 2015 and 2016. i was a rival for those women because i have a good family, good childhood, other good friends.

they ( especially one of them) needed to hurt me by my toxic thinking. manipulate.

i opened my eyes in 2016. no contact untill now. i cut all of those people. made them cry. they were following me.

with those men we are friends. or i just loosen up the contact to a facebook or other social media sites.

i dont know still i was so insecure that i attracted so many bad people. and let them control my life.
i know it was bad. but i couldnt cut it.
it was very immidiate in 2016.

i dont regret.
when we meet up somehow somewhere they still look at me , THIS girl is scared of me.
because she didnt know i would be strong , stronger than her.

that was a bad period of my life. since 2016 and 2017 i regain confidence and everything. i am normal.

that is why i ask about those relation with Virgo because i need to also protect my feelings.
i need to observe first.
i dont want to throw myself on that ground without thinking.

those women still mess around in environment. i dont care.
i became an individual and i ATTRACT normal people, not toxic.


Additionally- when I just throw myself to the other environment and to the other business, friend circle and company immidiatelly i started feeling normal.
I started doing my things as i was doing before 5 years ago , i was nice to people, didnt tell everything about myself- but i was attracting normal, cool people.
STILL when i am normal, i hope that i have a good karma because before i was helping others so much so now its a -gain- from the Universe ( back).
I see that you dont need to show off or be attentive to be popular. There is a constant flow and waves of success and failure in everyone's lifes. you dont have to be on the spotlight everytime every day.
i dont need to show off because i know myself and i know with a good work and power i will achive things.

it started turning out to me on a good level. a lot of people know me a lot of them see my good sides and work that i do.
i dont need to listen to others. i can sometimes ask for an advice to my sister or a mum.

i dont know why for me it lasted so long. i feel reborn now since 2017 when i just left those toxic people.

it doesnt mean i am weaker. i am normal. those are toxic people.

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So, at the end of the day, this isn't about him, but about you.

Your experience with these toxic people is Pluto in action. A perfect manifestation of the Pluto/Venus square. Which you transform when you're no longer willing to pretend to be weak.

This man you're interested in is your friend. He knows you, not whatever people might say about you. Whether he has any romantic interest in you or not, it's still true.

I think it's a big step forward that you're ready to consider someone who is such a friend to you as a love interest. You don't need permission from anyone to do that. Just his agreement if you want to add romance to the friendship.

That reflects the house and sign placement of your north node: not needing social approval for who you partner with.
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So, at the end of the day, this isn't about him, but about you.

Your experience with these toxic people is Pluto in action. A perfect manifestation of the Pluto/Venus square. Which you transform when you're no longer willing to pretend to be weak.

This man you're interested in is your friend. He knows you, not whatever people might say about you. Whether he has any romantic interest in you or not, it's still true.

I think it's a big step forward that you're ready to consider someone who is such a friend to you as a love interest. You don't need permission from anyone to do that. Just his agreement if you want to add romance to the friendship.

That reflects the house and sign placement of your north node: not needing social approval for who you partner with.
yes its about me.
i think its because of my parents as well. not letting me experience life on a normal level in a different times of my life. when i was a teenager, when i was a student and etc. i was closed a bit in a good homely bubble and i didnt like how my friends behave.
but my friends have had relations have had dramas and i was only an observer. because i was scared of getting into(?) as well i was judging them that i was more serious and actually more grounded than them.

but it turned out differently.
with their dramas with teenage life they had experiences how to behave in mid 20ties and etc . i didnt.
my path seems so slow.

when i will be a mother i will put my hild into the life enrolling him/her on some courses when they will be 10 years old and later. to experience life and how to cooperate with others.


i started to gain my confidence when i was 25 after a failure with men.
it was not because of my body it was because of my mental state.

i now live with parents and they perceive me as good friends,my mother thinks i am her best friend. she alwas comes up and talk to me even when i am busy.

she told me that i will regret it when she dies.

its a bit of an manipulation.

i have always been EMPATHETIC. i have always been TOO GOOD. some people's good was always above my good. because that situation was at my home.
always help others then help yourself.

i started doing it in rela life and i was failing everytime i was doing sth- school, men women relationships and etc.

i saw my friends ( even though those toxic people) having relations. i wanted to be the same.
i told them everything.



i dont know how to do it in near future. maybe my moving out will work.
i dont want to be mentally dependable.

its because my parents are STILL ( even when iam28) scared of me and my sister ( 26) lives. my sister now goes with her friend ( a guy) abroad for a 1 week trip.
when our mum heard this she immidiately started booking some 1 -person- hostel room for my sister - because she is scared that my sister and that guy will have something between them...

its scary .
i am not a nun.
everytime i was asking ( when i was teenager) my mum about those sexual matters she didnt answer, everything i learnt from friends and from magazines...
i was ashamed getting my period.
i was ashamed letting my 1st boyfriend touch me.


i feel like i lack of something and when i get older people see that. and i need to be very very coautious and self aware to select a relationship for me now. because i dont have alot of experience and i dont know how to flirt or talk to men.

i remember asking my female friends in high school about boys matters- they were gossiping about their mothers and first kiss and etc.
i didnt have it with my mum. like it would be a tabu.

so i got scared about those intimate relations.
because i knew that i cant tell it my mum wven when i will be an adult.

thats why i am scared of a relation with virgo.
and i m scared of getting rejected because of my insecurities and not being experienced.


i remember that even 3 years ago - my parents words - have been the most important to me after my opinion. now its not.

i dont know why i was like that its sad.

thank you for all of your replies.

i dhope i didnt get you bored with my writing.
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Hello,
I like this man. I still do not know if he likes me back. ( maybe).
Please tell me what kind of woman is he attracted to?

I dont know his birth time that is why i put 12:00.
I know he has Venus in Libra so a lot of affairs and falling in Love?

Doesnt matter my zodiac sign and etc. He is clever, shy but with a mask very big mask he puts on himself- sometimes its very hard for me to break it but he is nice to me.

What do you think?

Thanks,
xx
Definitely a beautiful, refined woman who dresses nicely, has nice skin, quite thin but with muscles. Yet he is probably very emotionally distant (Moon in Capricorn) and looks for a woman who's grounded, practical, precise yet can break through the tough shell he's built around his heart (cause beneath a Capricorn Moon there's always a Cancer core). Preferably a little fierce, he's definitely not a guy who will look for the shy, scared one who spends time in a corner. Be beautiful, fierce (but not firey. Be diplomatic in public and very balanced, at least on the surface), down-to-earth and not shy and especially don't be too mawkish with him. He'll be swept off his feet!
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Definitely a beautiful, refined woman who dresses nicely, has nice skin, quite thin but with muscles. Yet he is probably very emotionally distant (Moon in Capricorn) and looks for a woman who's grounded, practical, precise yet can break through the tough shell he's built around his heart (cause beneath a Capricorn Moon there's always a Cancer core). Preferably a little fierce, he's definitely not a guy who will look for the shy, scared one who spends time in a corner. Be beautiful, fierce (but not firey. Be diplomatic in public and very balanced, at least on the surface), down-to-earth and not shy and especially don't be too mawkish with him. He'll be swept off his feet!
hello im also capricorn moon. but im aries.
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hello im also capricorn moon. but im aries.
Where's your chart? Doing a synastry would be better than just discussing about him in your case
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Where's your chart? Doing a synastry would be better than just discussing about him in your case
i posted my synastry already here in the 3rd post.
and i was given an answer already.

but if you are willing to you can read it as well
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yes its about me.
i think its because of my parents as well. not letting me experience life on a normal level in a different times of my life. when i was a teenager, when i was a student and etc. i was closed a bit in a good homely bubble and i didnt like how my friends behave.
but my friends have had relations have had dramas and i was only an observer. because i was scared of getting into(?) as well i was judging them that i was more serious and actually more grounded than them.

but it turned out differently.
with their dramas with teenage life they had experiences how to behave in mid 20ties and etc . i didnt.
my path seems so slow.

when i will be a mother i will put my hild into the life enrolling him/her on some courses when they will be 10 years old and later. to experience life and how to cooperate with others.


i started to gain my confidence when i was 25 after a failure with men.
it was not because of my body it was because of my mental state.

i now live with parents and they perceive me as good friends,my mother thinks i am her best friend. she alwas comes up and talk to me even when i am busy.

she told me that i will regret it when she dies.

its a bit of an manipulation.

i have always been EMPATHETIC. i have always been TOO GOOD. some people's good was always above my good. because that situation was at my home.
always help others then help yourself.

i started doing it in rela life and i was failing everytime i was doing sth- school, men women relationships and etc.

i saw my friends ( even though those toxic people) having relations. i wanted to be the same.
i told them everything.



i dont know how to do it in near future. maybe my moving out will work.
i dont want to be mentally dependable.

its because my parents are STILL ( even when iam28) scared of me and my sister ( 26) lives. my sister now goes with her friend ( a guy) abroad for a 1 week trip.
when our mum heard this she immidiately started booking some 1 -person- hostel room for my sister - because she is scared that my sister and that guy will have something between them...

its scary .
i am not a nun.
everytime i was asking ( when i was teenager) my mum about those sexual matters she didnt answer, everything i learnt from friends and from magazines...
i was ashamed getting my period.
i was ashamed letting my 1st boyfriend touch me.


i feel like i lack of something and when i get older people see that. and i need to be very very coautious and self aware to select a relationship for me now. because i dont have alot of experience and i dont know how to flirt or talk to men.

i remember asking my female friends in high school about boys matters- they were gossiping about their mothers and first kiss and etc.
i didnt have it with my mum. like it would be a tabu.

so i got scared about those intimate relations.
because i knew that i cant tell it my mum wven when i will be an adult.

thats why i am scared of a relation with virgo.
and i m scared of getting rejected because of my insecurities and not being experienced.


i remember that even 3 years ago - my parents words - have been the most important to me after my opinion. now its not.

i dont know why i was like that its sad.

thank you for all of your replies.

i dhope i didnt get you bored with my writing.
Is living with your parents as an adult what people usually do in Poland? Or is that unusual, and they're holding you back? It sounds like they're holding you back in some ways, but I don't want to assume that having you live with them is holding you back if it's the norm where you live.

It does sound like moving out would help. At the very least, you would have some space from your parents. You could decide if and when you wanted to see them. You could start figuring out what you really want that might be different from what they want.

I thought there might be some kind of sexual trauma in your life, but didn't want to suggest it in case it wasn't true or you weren't ready to share. That doesn't necessarily mean being raped, but smaller trauma is still trauma. Feeling shame about your body, and shame about being touched by a boyfriend when you (presumably) want him to, is a kind of sexual trauma. Pluto square Venus can indicate sexual trauma in your life, especially when there's more in the chart to suggest it. In your case, there is. Not only is your Pluto square Venus, it's on the cusp of your fifth house--fifth and eighth houses are associated with sexuality--and in Scorpio, which is also associated with sexuality.

We're also looking, in this square, at trauma or denial of femininity. Lots of women feel shame about their periods, but that in itself is a sign of femininity being denied. Menstrual cycles are part of feminine power. If you're made ashamed of it, that's denying your power.
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this men is attracted to:
generous
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freedom-loving
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Is living with your parents as an adult what people usually do in Poland? Or is that unusual, and they're holding you back? It sounds like they're holding you back in some ways, but I don't want to assume that having you live with them is holding you back if it's the norm where you live.

It does sound like moving out would help. At the very least, you would have some space from your parents. You could decide if and when you wanted to see them. You could start figuring out what you really want that might be different from what they want.

I thought there might be some kind of sexual trauma in your life, but didn't want to suggest it in case it wasn't true or you weren't ready to share. That doesn't necessarily mean being raped, but smaller trauma is still trauma. Feeling shame about your body, and shame about being touched by a boyfriend when you (presumably) want him to, is a kind of sexual trauma. Pluto square Venus can indicate sexual trauma in your life, especially when there's more in the chart to suggest it. In your case, there is. Not only is your Pluto square Venus, it's on the cusp of your fifth house--fifth and eighth houses are associated with sexuality--and in Scorpio, which is also associated with sexuality.

We're also looking, in this square, at trauma or denial of femininity. Lots of women feel shame about their periods, but that in itself is a sign of femininity being denied. Menstrual cycles are part of feminine power. If you're made ashamed of it, that's denying your power.

actually i felt kind of resistant to my sexuality since i remember - even in high school. men were just pulling back to me.

the same happened 3 years ago with the man i described.

people think that i wait until marriage- or i just sek for a husband material and i am a good girl.

i had some inner blockage i think that closed in 2017.
even the last man that i had - it was in 2015 ( 3 years ago...) pulled away ( i think because of my vibrations) and then came back in some months to check.

i was/i am inexperienced and i am ashamed of it. its because of that.

i have always been maybe bigger and i didnt like my body.

my parents have never told me to excercise or even they didnt enroll me on some sport courses. i was always alone at home going out only with my sister or parents untill I FOUND OUT i needed to change it.

in poland its normal to live with parents.
its because of taxes and the amount of money you earn that is not compatibile with the expenses.

of course i cant make excauses because i dont make a lot of money now ( since 8 months ihave been unepmployed) . i have started to seeek a job in architecture now even when i am not graduated.


i thought i would rest after my period in spain but i see i need to do a lot of stuff because my life just flows away.

i did 2 film projects ( i make set design for student film projects as an architecture student) i do my diploma but i do not earn money normally . i know people make money by being freelance but i somehow understood that i am not a freelance person.

living with parents maybe holds me back but my parents are very open and normal.
they do not make 'banning' or forbide me do anything.

but its like i feel like in high school.



my mum told me that she wants me to move out with my future boyfriend to his place. either way she will not agree ..

for me its normal to move out to 1 person or 2 person flat to see how it is to live....


my parents are not very rich and they have always made this kind of bubble on me and my sister. i am slower than my friends because i didnt have 'things' that they had the same time of live.

of course i was working in jobs and in architecture before, i was making money, i did a lot on scholarships. but i didnt have enough income to live by my own.

its like - when you get a job in architecture you get 1800-2000 PLN first - ( 450-500 euro). usual 1 person flat costs 1200 PLN ( 300 euro) and more.

1 room in shared flat costs 700-800 PLN ( 175 -200 euro). i tried to live like that and i couldnt.


there are different payements in business or IT or maths sector. around 5000 PLN or higher.

architecture is veyr badly payed in poland.

and i am not gonna change it because i dont want to work in corporation or other stuff.
thats why i wait here.



but anyway, living with parents a bit holds me back especially when my parents ( dad) is lazy and he is addicted to his family ( mother) . the roots are very big and its been struggle for my mum to cut it for years. that is why she turned out to me and my sister to seek help but somehow i wanna live my life first and then listen to other problems.

she is always empathetic and make me feel guilty for the things i wanna do for myself.
i told her this many times- she doesnt understand as she would think im paranoied.




every relation with men was analysed by me and my mum. i make the same pattern as my mum with her romantic lives. she had the same problems as me. i wanna cut the pattern but actually i dont know why.

i make the same mistakes.

but i regret she never told me much about men and sexual stuff like it would be tabu. i needed to know it myself or with my girl friends. that was weird.



my sister is very closed. she attracts older men like a Dad- type. even older and larger than her.

i wanna have fun and i wanna attract people my age. whenever i start doing it something is disturbed. someone always disturbs me as it have been before.
Taurus woman Twice before, Capricorn woman even more before.

my ex best friendm taurus woman she told me after some drinks ( when we were still friends, now we are strangers, i cut the contact fast) that she didnt like my behaviour when i was younger because i was spontanious and funny.

it was her to have problems in life and she ( in her mind) wanted me to have bad life.

she was always outgoing and she was meeting and introducing me with her friends. but even having her boyfriend she was jealous of me getting attention from her friends.
i realised that in 2016 and cut the contact very fast.
we met in 2008 in high school. when i started dating some IT guy from her IT class. of course when i appeared in her environment she must have started being my best friend.

( to get to know the rival) and knowing my insecurities she was playing with me.
i didnt relaise that.

it was also bad because i felt like i didnt have my own opinion.
she knew she subconsiousely makes moves to weaker people.


it ALL trapped me in a box. and made me feel that.

growing up and that woman. because it lasted 8 years... ( with some breaks).
i have been warned by my mum and sister about her- i didnt wanna listen.


that is why i was so scared when i met this Virgo man.
and its 1st time in maybe a year or more that i feel 'nice' and feel friendly surrounded with him.

before even my appearance and face were harsh and difficult because of trauma, this taurus woman, other friends, me didnt have money and etc.

now i dont wanna ruin it.


the best thing is that- when i wait and live my life my exes? i dont know how to say- ex friends and ex boyfriends come back and they are interested in what i do.

i know people like that .
and exes always check. even the guy ( a friend of taurus woman- he is not a friend of her anymore).

so i have some kind of nostalgia. because there have been people that could have been someones in my life but some circumstances (outside or inner) didnt let it.

what if i know that this taurus woman was sticking her nose in my relation and have been jealous of me and this guy? what if now i know that she gossiped of me to him and it changed his mind?


is it bad if i reconnect with him?i dont think so.
we have never been in normal relationship. there have always been someone third. ( her).

so now, when i have an eye on this Virgo man, i started also meeting my ex or -wanna-be boyfriends- from the past.

and i am not sure if i should be friends with them or not.





PS maybe its also because i was rushing up with my life and i was not stable and generally 'calm'. architecture is difficult comparing to other professions. i was the only 1 from my high school to get into. even if i was meeting friends from outside being at university at architecture department, i knew and i felt like they had more lives than me.


that is why i sacrificed something . some life here to go abroad and live abroad. summing up everything i lived abroad more than 2 years in Spain and France.

people are jalous of it but somehow i had an inner struggle being at my uni because i knew i was 25 or 26 , still having 1 or 1.5 year to graduate, no boyfriend, every relation was demaged, people were gossiping at me and etc.
i went to spain in february 2017. i came back in september 2017.
i was studying and working. i think that i loaded my batteries but actually now i am againg on a low level.

people think it was very easy abroad, it was not. i must have struggled with everything. flats, income and etc, only school was ok.


i was always in a rush with myself, no own opinion, rush to be the best at school and etc.
it was bad.
noone understood that.
people were 'gliding over my back' ( ? in poland we have the saying that you do a lot and people follow you being even better because you as a leader are tired with no strenght to go further- but they have strenght and go over you).

i had a tendency to live fast and with short periods. even now when i see my CV i see that i was making a LOT of short stages, jobs not one long or etc.

i fremember i was feeling of a lack of something. i was always wanting more, changing jobs, changing people and etc.


now since 2017 after my come back to poland again i feel more grounded and stable.
i feel better myself.

i remember that i have been popular since high school but every failure in my life i covered with work or other project to gain more in my CV.

i was lost. now i want better job, longer job as i would like to have some long relationship.

even the guy ( that my taurus woman was interrupting )one 1 hand was a party man with a lot of friends, but still his life was grounded and stable! he was choosing very calm women after me ( i spied on facebook).

so maybe i will as one more question_ do you think that now since 2017 i will be more grounded and stable? it was ALL because of me and my problems/ insecurities that i needed to overcome.

now when i am home 8 months i feel better inside, i have inner calm even though i dont have a job and i can be perceived as a unhappy person writing about my sexual past with ( almost ) no men.

but i feel grounded. i feel better in my mind. like i would have grown up somehow and my psyche is stable.

i hope you understand. i was thinking it s maybea result of my saturn return and all of the aspects i have encountered in my path.

as i saw in my natal chart since december 23 i had my saturn in my 5th house which indicated problems in relationships.
actually i feel better now more light but i dont wanna lose it.


in the past i had an inner fear to compare with others , to live my life but to compare with other people ( Those friends of Taurus woman) because i didnt feel good enough. she was an IT student, now works in it since 5 years , earns a loooooot of money, is rich, but IT is other profession than Architecture and Scenography...
She was always telling me ( as a friend) i needed to improve, that she didnt like me when i was happy, that she didnt like when i was spontanious.i perceived her as my real good friend from high school. even though she was 1 class older than me.

still when i think about it i have an inner blockage and pain because somehow i let her rule my life.
and she with her bad habits and family insecurities wanted to 'help' me in a way with mothering me.
it was a toxic relation.

everythime i met with fer i felt bad that i needed to prove myself.

it cant be like that in relations....

i feel better now but regret my past. because i dont know ho weak i must have been to let her in my life and let her control it...

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actually i felt kind of resistant to my sexuality since i remember - even in high school. men were just pulling back to me.

the same happened 3 years ago with the man i described.

people think that i wait until marriage- or i just sek for a husband material and i am a good girl.

i had some inner blockage i think that closed in 2017.
even the last man that i had - it was in 2015 ( 3 years ago...) pulled away ( i think because of my vibrations) and then came back in some months to check.

i was/i am inexperienced and i am ashamed of it. its because of that.

i have always been maybe bigger and i didnt like my body.

my parents have never told me to excercise or even they didnt enroll me on some sport courses. i was always alone at home going out only with my sister or parents untill I FOUND OUT i needed to change it.
So, there's a lot to unpack here. Lots and lots of women, throughout the world, are uncomfortable with their bodies and their sexuality because of all the messages: don't be too tall, too fat, too strong, too sexual, too prudish, etc. With sexuality, you really can't win: if you have sex, or just plain radiate sexuality, you're a slut. If, for whatever reason, you don't want to have sex, or aren't someone who puts sexuality out there as part of her persona, you're a prude.

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in poland its normal to live with parents.
its because of taxes and the amount of money you earn that is not compatibile with the expenses.

of course i cant make excauses because i dont make a lot of money now ( since 8 months ihave been unepmployed) . i have started to seeek a job in architecture now even when i am not graduated.


i thought i would rest after my period in spain but i see i need to do a lot of stuff because my life just flows away.

i did 2 film projects ( i make set design for student film projects as an architecture student) i do my diploma but i do not earn money normally . i know people make money by being freelance but i somehow understood that i am not a freelance person.

living with parents maybe holds me back but my parents are very open and normal.
they do not make 'banning' or forbide me do anything.

but its like i feel like in high school.
Sounds like moving out isn't an option just yet. And even if you did move out, would you still live in the same city as your parents? Either way, they'll be part of your life. So, the trick is to have boundaries with them while still maintaining the relationship. Which is always a tricky balancing act, renegotiating your relationship with your parents as their adult child instead of their child child.


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every relation with men was analysed by me and my mum. i make the same pattern as my mum with her romantic lives. she had the same problems as me. i wanna cut the pattern but actually i dont know why.

i make the same mistakes.

but i regret she never told me much about men and sexual stuff like it would be tabu. i needed to know it myself or with my girl friends. that was weird.
So, you're living out the part of your mother's life that she couldn't resolve. Quite typical, from one generation to the next. What's not so typical is that you know that's what's going on. More often, people don't even know that.

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i wanna have fun and i wanna attract people my age. whenever i start doing it something is disturbed. someone always disturbs me as it have been before.
Taurus woman Twice before, Capricorn woman even more before.

my ex best friendm taurus woman she told me after some drinks ( when we were still friends, now we are strangers, i cut the contact fast) that she didnt like my behaviour when i was younger because i was spontanious and funny.

it was her to have problems in life and she ( in her mind) wanted me to have bad life.

she was always outgoing and she was meeting and introducing me with her friends. but even having her boyfriend she was jealous of me getting attention from her friends.
i realised that in 2016 and cut the contact very fast.
we met in 2008 in high school. when i started dating some IT guy from her IT class. of course when i appeared in her environment she must have started being my best friend.

( to get to know the rival) and knowing my insecurities she was playing with me.
i didnt relaise that.
Rivalry is something you're dealing with as part of your life's journey. The seventh house isn't just romantic relationships and partners, it's also rivals and open enemies. With your north node in the seventh house, seventh house issues are big in your life. Including rivalry. With Mars and Venus there, the rivalry part is very clear. We could also read this as a past life/future life story: in the past life, rivals did you in (Venus and Mars in the seventh in opposition to your south node--in the past life interpretation of the nodes, the south node is you in the past life, and anything in opposition or square to it is who or what worked against you). This time around, you're also dealing with rivals. Doesn't necessarily mean they'll do you in--you have a chance for a better outcome this time--but it is something that turns up as a life theme.

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what if i know that this taurus woman was sticking her nose in my relation and have been jealous of me and this guy? what if now i know that she gossiped of me to him and it changed his mind?
By "this guy," do you mean your Virgo friend, or your ex boyfriend?

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so now, when i have an eye on this Virgo man, i started also meeting my ex or -wanna-be boyfriends- from the past.

and i am not sure if i should be friends with them or not.
Depends on what you want, and what they want. Would being friends with them mean being just friends? Or would it mean rekindling the romantic relationship? If you have any kind of relationship with them now, do you want it to be just friends, or do you want it to be romantic? And, since your Virgo friend is apparently very much on your mind, where does he fit in? As a friend? As a boyfriend, or potential boyfriend? With that in mind, what are you free to give your exes, in terms of friendship or anything else?

Do you have any other worries about being friends with your exes, besides those possible complications?

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people were 'gliding over my back' ( ? in poland we have the saying that you do a lot and people follow you being even better because you as a leader are tired with no strenght to go further- but they have strenght and go over you).
Your chart is thoroughly the chart of a leader. Archetypally, you are a warrior (Aries sun) with the soul of a wise hermit (Capricorn moon) meeting the world, and others, as a queen (Leo rising). People are going to gravitate to you as a leader, whether you know it or not, and whether they know it or not.

The dominant modalities in your chart also show that you are a leader, in the sense that you inspire people to change and do new things, but without changing yourself. Your chart is cardinal dominant (seven planets plus your MC in cardinal signs) with a bit of fixed (three planets plus your AC) but no mutable. Fixed signs stay the course, hold steady, and don't change or adapt well to being changed. Cardinal signs cause change by being present--a person with lots of cardinal energy will result in change happening around them, just by their very presence, even if they're not consciously trying to cause change, but they themselves do not change. Mutable signs like change, adapt to it well, and are all about changing themselves. With no mutable energy in your chart, you probably don't have any particular desire to change yourself--at least, not if you feel secure with who you are--but with so much cardinal energy, you cause change.

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so maybe i will as one more question_ do you think that now since 2017 i will be more grounded and stable? it was ALL because of me and my problems/ insecurities that i needed to overcome.
You're already getting yourself more grounded and stable. You're committed to a career path. You're considering a relationship with someone who has already been your friend for years and who also, according to his chart, needs and wants grounding and stability. And, you're coming into your Saturn return. Saturn is all about stability and commitment. If you want to be more stable and committed than you were previously, Saturn making a major transit, like its return, is very good energy for making that happen. You're already feeling more grounded and stable.

At your age, you will have just had, or be currently having, your progressed lunar return. The progressed moon cycle happens on about the same schedule as the Saturn cycle, although the exact lunar return happens a year or two before the exact Saturn return. Since you have your moon with Saturn, progressed lunar return brings a Saturn-like quality and focus to your life. Stability and commitment again.

Since it's happening already, and it's what you want, of course it's going to continue to happen.
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Like the old saying goes...he’s just not that into you. If he was, you’d know. There wouldn’t be doubt. Ditch him and know that what you deserve will come your way and you won’t have a bit of self doubt as to whether or not they likes you.

Most of us have been there! It ***** but you’re better for it when you cut em loose.
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Rivalry is something you're dealing with as part of your life's journey. The seventh house isn't just romantic relationships and partners, it's also rivals and open enemies. With your north node in the seventh house, seventh house issues are big in your life. Including rivalry. With Mars and Venus there, the rivalry part is very clear. We could also read this as a past life/future life story: in the past life, rivals did you in (Venus and Mars in the seventh in opposition to your south node--in the past life interpretation of the nodes, the south node is you in the past life, and anything in opposition or square to it is who or what worked against you). This time around, you're also dealing with rivals. Doesn't necessarily mean they'll do you in--you have a chance for a better outcome this time--but it is something that turns up as a life theme.
hmmm maybe there is something about this.
when i get older i become more suspicious ( aware) of people's actions? its because i do not trust 100% everyone. even my work, project , studies friends.
about doing in, yes, before when i was too naive and a good person, for example i was DID IN - usually when it comes to love affairs or love matters.

when i am control of something - work, studies, something that i can be responsible for - i can do it because i know noone disturbs me.
when it come sto people ( i think its my weakness) i can not have a control. i cant make people do what i want. because everyone is an indvidual unit.
but before when i was nice and i was giving free hand even to my close friends a lot of them turned something against me.
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By "this guy," do you mean your Virgo friend, or your ex boyfriend?
ex, boyfriend. Virgo is another one i was describing here in the 1st post.
ex is ex i mentioned here in Taurus woman story.
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Depends on what you want, and what they want. Would being friends with them mean being just friends? Or would it mean rekindling the romantic relationship? If you have any kind of relationship with them now, do you want it to be just friends, or do you want it to be romantic? And, since your Virgo friend is apparently very much on your mind, where does he fit in? As a friend? As a boyfriend, or potential boyfriend? With that in mind, what are you free to give your exes, in terms of friendship or anything else?

Do you have any other worries about being friends with your exes, besides those possible complications?
even when something doesnt work , now when i am 28 my perspective changed a bit. i can have a second chance with someone because i know people change and do a lot of stuff.
before i have been very strict , only 1:0. even my friends have been surprised that i was so strict when it comes to love matters.

when someone did something bad to me i was cutting him/her out.

then i regret.
it was because of me being unsure of what i wanted. i didnt like diplomacy and talking. for me it was black white. - you dont want me? you will never get me and i can flirt with your best friend-

for me it was not a problem. but it was because of my inner problem that i couldnt say what i wanted to people. with men my age or even a bit older the problem is i now see they usually get matured later.
that is why my female friends friendzoned male friends to the point that they fell in love with them. and female friends picked up older men.

i have never understood that because i wanted to have a relatonship with someone my age. i didnt know why my female fridns friendzone men very much. i didnt see the purpose except the attention seeking.

and for me having older men was weird because i was not mentally prepared as well as i didnt want someone older.





i just hate other women sticking noses to other's business.
i do not tell people anything now- i only tell my sister and one good friend.
sometimes i tell noone and then i dont make anyone responsible for my choices only me. when it fails it means i failed and i need to improve.

i have always been maybe a bit more shy and timid than my other girl friends. during my university time i was a very individual unit and i did what i wanted. i was attracting a lot of popular people . now i think it was because i was doing my own thing didnt care what others might say.
then they were introducing me to their companies ( Taurus woman, Capricorn woman). i was there. i was normal. people liked me because of my charisma.
those women started to being a rival with me. emotionally. when i was friends with their friends for them it was bad because i must have told them first like ask for permission. you know what i mean. i described that before.

in one group - of this taurus woman. i was weak because i liked people but she manipulated me and others as well.

with capricorn woman i am older and it was after the taurus woman experience. so i could learn how to behave and not to tell everything and etc.

i was always open and in high school when i was inviting people for me it was normal that i invite for a meeting but people integrate and even they make couples. i didnt care. because i had eyes on other men. and i didnt care if my male friends flirted with my other women friends.

but for capricorn and taurus woman i was a rival. a rival who was a leader as well and people liked me.

now when i cut the contact to the maximum with taurus and cut in 50% with capricorn ( i am nice but i do what i want and i dont gossip around) i feel more free.
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Your chart is thoroughly the chart of a leader. Archetypally, you are a warrior (Aries sun) with the soul of a wise hermit (Capricorn moon) meeting the world, and others, as a queen (Leo rising). People are going to gravitate to you as a leader, whether you know it or not, and whether they know it or not.
its been like that.
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You're already getting yourself more grounded and stable. You're committed to a career path. You're considering a relationship with someone who has already been your friend for years and who also, according to his chart, needs and wants grounding and stability. And, you're coming into your Saturn return. Saturn is all about stability and commitment. If you want to be more stable and committed than you were previously, Saturn making a major transit, like its return, is very good energy for making that happen. You're already feeling more grounded and stable.

At your age, you will have just had, or be currently having, your progressed lunar return. The progressed moon cycle happens on about the same schedule as the Saturn cycle, although the exact lunar return happens a year or two before the exact Saturn return. Since you have your moon with Saturn, progressed lunar return brings a Saturn-like quality and focus to your life. Stability and commitment again.

Since it's happening already, and it's what you want, of course it's going to continue to happen.
thank you for those words. i really liek reading your posts. it helps me some way . i feel more grounded and even 'wise'? i dont know if you could understand. like i could be a teacher for some younger people. but i dont want to for now. of course.

before i was so weak i couldnt make my own opinion. in the last 2-3 years my opinions have been grounded and i can make it and i become more assertive.

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Re: what kind of woman this Virgo is attracted to?

I will add something here.
I stopped undervaluing myself.

I started doing it at my university. When I got into Architecture i knew i had some artistic skills ( genetics, parents are artists) but i was afraid to show it.

Surrounded by people who didnt have many skills as me i started to undervalue myself. Because i wanted to be liked and accepted so somehow I just didnt do what I wanted I was hiding it to be accepted. Because to show off means to be bad. And actually I was insecure inside to even defend my project or my work. SO i was in silence.

It was the same not only in this field. Also other fields, sport, boyfriends etc. I have always been striving for being liked ( even though i had a self acceptance) by a lot of people and I wanted to have LOT of friends.

A lot of people took me as an inspiration. I felt like a sponge because a gave a lot and got a little or nothing in return.

So many years i felt very tired , not energized enough.

That is why i told you about people patterned themselves on me ( and i am not bragging about it) and then didnt give me anything in return.

I was NICE and actually i was naive and i didnt know that MY FRIENDS would not give me in return or why are they asking me about so many stuff. I was always answering .


Now since 2-3 years ( just.. its so little i feel like i wasted my whole youth and study period) i stopped telling people anything. I put myself first.
I am being more egoistical I do what i want , I do everything in silence and the result is a wow.

I had even an interview in a local Radio Station about my workshops, studies, my life in general what i did during my architecture period. A lot of people ( outside people) perceive me as a cool individual, someone who achieved a lot.

I was doing it because i was seeking my worth in others eyes in different fields. And my tactic was to learn from the beginning sometimes i was putting myself even in some frields i didnt know and i was the worst and i was climbing a ladder of success. And people from the beginning who were yelling at me or who actually thought i was not good, changed their mind of me because they saw i was doing a lot and i was working a lot.

And i was doing a lot of additional courses and workshops because a lot of my friends from studies in this period of time was worse than me. I was a person who was inspiring them ( I know that because 3 of my friends told me so) but i didnt have anyone to learn from. and that was a problem because in some years i felt i was running in the same place and i was hitting a wall with my head.
I knew and I felt that ; ok i want something more, i want something simple, new challenges, people who will inspire me , people who can tell me and teach me. I am a person who did not make drama and i was usually learning in a peace atmosphere. A lot of my studies friends were immature to 'be with me' in some group projects . It sounds ridiculous as i could judge them but i want silence and peace to be fruitful and make work great.

A lot of people just bothered me.

And i started to realise why some people work alone . Why are individuals who make good things perceived as egoistical, not nice and etc. Why? because they focus on themselves and actually they do what they want not caring about the others.

My way of thinking was always like that BUT inside i had an inner voice telling me that i must be like my friends. That we are all average.
A lot of my friends told me that because of my family income and level i was born in i couldnt be better or perceived like better social class.

A lot of my friends told me so because they were the same. They didnt make any progress.
Since high school my parents told me not to tell everything to others because sometime they can take everything from you.

When i felt bad because of this Taurus woman and Capricorn woman a few years ago, i started being myself- egoistical aries focused on myself.

I really worked and did a lot. Of course I am not a queen but i feel like i am climbing now the real ladder of success in life.
Before i was climbing some ladders of student success which is actually not a real life.
But now i am more prepared.
Even thought i didnt finish my master degree yet and i am 28. I do not complain. Before i had some inner issues comparing myself to others. I need to be calm in mind to finish it.
And i am doing in in peace.

Its not bachelor degree that we must do fast to be enrolled on master degree in 2 weeks after. Master degree is your book, your story of a project and i needed to actually understand that that i dont need to prove anything to anyone because of my thesis.

And its not me being lazy.
Its because after my coming back from spain i think i am into some transision period of accepting myself and my life here. And i am not chasing anything. I am living day by day not chasing the future or analysing everyones steps.

I cut off some bad people who were putting me down. I feel more fresh. When i feel fresh I see they want to come back because i am a person who dont need other person to improve. I am improving innerly myself. And i get stronger myself. I am an individual unit who needs to rebuild to be able to give and work.

Some people jump from relationship to relationship or have secret lovers because they do not stand being alone and they do not know theselves being alone. But its important.

Maybe I will add something here. Because you helped me a lot and i am thankful so much. I have one more question that i want to ask considering my work now.
Since november 2017 i am in some architectural organisations with my fellow architecture friends ( that i didnt know before, they are younger 2-4 years but we knew only themselves on facebook, not personally).
We organise annual national architectural workshops. I was asked to do it by my friend who invited me there. She also asked my sister ( also studies architecture and is younger). I am the oldest one.

I think This friend likes me but our relation is weird. She was born 21.03.1992 so the same day as me but 2 years after me.
She is very delicate, slow in movements and in a talk, very detailed oriented and a workaholic.
I know that before she perceived me as too energetic person who was disorganised. Somehow the atmosphere in a group with her being very slow is good for me because i am not in a n inner rush and i started to being organised as i said before i am not chasing now only do my things.

The problem is that she has a moon in scorpio I suppose and even without knowing it i felt she was suspicious. She is kind of double faced but doesnt say to you straight only behind your back. She thinks that saying straight is not diplomatic . She is over the top, she is very rich but very work oriented so its good. But sometimes i thought before she was doing the workshop only for herself and her other friends and just asked me not to be the organiser but a 'worker'. I thought she wanted others to work for it and she would take the pride as a leader. But there is a problem because i am assertive now and its me who wants things to be explained and opened to everyone.
She likes me now but sometimes i think she is insecure of herself and wants to be the best. She does things behind back like talking to other people or talking to institutions and then when the result is 100% she tells us. Like she doesnt tell the process.

It was like that in the past but now i think its ok. I dont tell her everything in100% but i think maybe i should be more open?
With her 21.03 i was afraid that she would take my friends, my achievements and be better. But now i am more confident and actually i work as equal. What do you think?
I perepared her natal chart but dont know exact birth time.

Thank you,
hope since Uranus will be in Taurus from 15.05 everything will come smoothly and fine.
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