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Re: Is Mercury the answer?

There aren't a lot of available info out there on the web about ASC aspects. Heck, I don't even know what ASC retrograde mean and couldn't find out anywhere.

but that's not the point.

I guess I have to evaluate my Mars Opp ASC more than Jupiter opp Saturn because those are already strongly placed. I guess if I can overcome that challenge, I'm able to go where I wanna go.

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So, you don't put a great deal of emphasis on the houses and house positions.

I always thought Whole Sign worked better,
but Pladius made more sense to me in the long ru
n.


I exhibit both Gemini and Sagittarius energy through my ASC. I've been told before that I "TALK TOO MUCH" hahaha, I found it funny because i've always been characterized as a "quiet kid/guy"

That ***** my Mars is strongly placed but isn't able to do anything. Maybe if I had that aspect from Mercury I would be able to do stuff lol.

It always begs the question then because if it's receiving an aspect from the MC, then that would mean that it's impact is not that strong because of it's peregrine disposition. AWH!
WHOLE SIGN HOUSES are for the purpose of gauging TOPICS
Quadrant based systems gauge PLANETARY STRENGTH

Use BOTH for their purpose

i.e.

11th House TOPIC is designated to SCORPIO by WHOLE SIGN
and MARS is the traditional ruler of Scorpio

In this case, natal SUN and natal MERCURY are in 4th HOUSE by WHOLE SIGN
and therefore are a factor regarding 4th HOUSE TOPICS

HOWEVER

simultaneously,
natal SUN and natal MERCURY are in 3rd HOUSE by Quadrant system PLACIDUS


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It needs to be said that JupiterASC is a Traditional Astrologer.

As such, most of what he uses originated before 1700 and usually use Equal Houses.

If that 'needs to be said'
then the definition of TRADITIONAL for the purposes of this forum also 'needs to be said'
i.e.

'.....Typically, traditional astrology is defined
as using techniques developed prior to 1700
by astrologers from the Hellenistic, Persian, Hebrew, and Renassiance eras.
Specifically it relies on Ptolemaic aspects (sextile, trine, square, opposition and conjunction)
and exludes modern planets Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,
non-Ptolemaic aspects, as well as any asteroids.
The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological chart interpretetation
and more on prediction.....'

having said that
since this thread forms part of GENERAL ASTROLOGY
then any form of astrology
including Vedic, Chinese, Sidereal, Tropical and so on
may be discussed on this board

by the way it is interesting to CLAIM that

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As such, most of what he uses originated before 1700

and usually use Equal Houses.
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Things like outer planets, asteroids, astrodynes,
and virtually anything discovered by astronomy after 1700
in not part of the baliwick of a traditional astrologer.



when anyone reading these responses shall note references to WHOLE SIGN HOUSE SYSTEM
NOT Equal House

FURTHERMORE

Modern astrology is based on the firm foundation of ancient and traditional astrology

one example:

The SOLAR REVOLUTION of ancient and traditional astrology
is only alifhrly morphed to the 'SOLAR RETURN'
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Re: Is Mercury the answer?

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WHOLE SIGN HOUSES are for the purpose of gauging TOPICS
Quadrant based systems gauge PLANETARY STRENGTH

Use BOTH for their purpose

i.e.

11th House TOPIC is designated to SCORPIO by WHOLE SIGN
and MARS is the traditional ruler of Scorpio

In this case, natal SUN and natal MERCURY are in 4th HOUSE by WHOLE SIGN
and therefore are a factor regarding 4th HOUSE TOPICS

HOWEVER

simultaneously,
natal SUN and natal MERCURY are in 3rd HOUSE by Quadrant system PLACIDUS



If that 'needs to be said'
then the definition of TRADITIONAL for the purposes of this forum also 'needs to be said'
i.e.

'.....Typically, traditional astrology is defined
as using techniques developed prior to 1700
by astrologers from the Hellenistic, Persian, Hebrew, and Renassiance eras.
Specifically it relies on Ptolemaic aspects (sextile, trine, square, opposition and conjunction)
and exludes modern planets Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,
non-Ptolemaic aspects, as well as any asteroids.
The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological chart interpretetation
and more on prediction.....'

having said that
since this thread forms part of GENERAL ASTROLOGY
then any form of astrology
including Vedic, Chinese, Sidereal, Tropical and so on
may be discussed on this board

by the way it is interesting to CLAIM that


when anyone reading these responses shall note references to WHOLE SIGN HOUSE SYSTEM
NOT Equal House

FURTHERMORE

Modern astrology is based on the firm foundation of ancient and traditional astrology

one example:

The SOLAR REVOLUTION of ancient and traditional astrology
is only alifhrly morphed to the 'SOLAR RETURN'

THAT'S CERTAINLY TRUE.

But if you are going to act as if the only astrology of any importance is yours, which is what you usually do(with your giant YELLING colored scripts and endless videos), then newbies need to know what your bias is.

While I am willing to accept all of tradional astrology as a base, you are NOT willing to accept any of modern astrology's knowledge. Its a one way street for you, Traditional or the High Way.

It is what it is.
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Re: Is Mercury the answer?

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So, you don't put a great deal of emphasis on the houses and house positions.
That's a misleading notion

because

there are more than thirty different house systems
and the house location of any natal planet
is obviously
entirely dependent on the House system of preference


FURTHERMORE

the correct use of WHOLE SIGN HOUSES is frequently misunderstood



dr. farr
a member who has studied astrology for more than fifty years
summarised WHOLE SIGN as follows

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Cusps:

Today
and for the past thousand years or so
we define cusps as "borders" (coasts),
but that is not the original meaning of the word "cusp":
it means "point"
such as cuspal teeth (bicuspids)
and the point of a sword
-so originally the term cusp meant the "point" of something,
and in astrology originally the "cusp" of the house meant its "point";

now, when quadrant systems were developed,
this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning",
which later came to mean its "border",
ie, the "border" between one house and the other.

And later astrology also began using these "borders" (cusps)
for various prognostic applications
(Charles Carter came to believe that, for timing of events,
the "cusps" of the Campanus house system gave the best results,
among the various quadrant house systems)


But now notice this: in whole sign the cusps are NOT the 0 degree "borders" of sign/houses at all,
and never were so regarded!

In whole sign, the "cusp" retained its original meaning,
not as a "border" but rather as A POINT
-and that POINT (cusp)
for EACH house,
was the sensitive point of that house,
viz,
the sensitive point in whole sign houses
-each house-
that is the "cusp" of each house
-is a direct projection from the ascending degree.

Example:

-the ascending degree of a chart is 18 Taurus:
what are the house cusps
(sensitive points, original meaning of the word "cusp")
in the whole sign houses of this chart?

Cusp of 1st house = 18 Taurus
Cusp of 2nd house = 18 Gemini
Cusp of 3rd house = 18 Cancer
Cusp of 4th house = 18 Leo
Cusp of 5th house = 18 Virgo
Cusp of 6th house = 18 Libra
Cusp of 7th house = 18 Scorpio
Cusp of 8th house = 18 Sagittarius
Cusp of 9th house = 18 Capricorn
Cusp of 10th house = 18 Aquarius
Cusp of 11th house = 18 Pisces
Cusp of 12th house = 18 Aries


Now it is these "cusps"
(sensitive degrees, original meaning of the word "cusp" as a "point")
that are
(and were)
used for progressions, timing of events, etc, and the fact is that they work for these purposes, quite well (in expert
hands)


Whole sign does not use the BORDERS between houses
(always 0 degree of any sign)
for anything,
but it DOES use "cusps"
(points in the house,
projected from the exact ascending degree)
for timing (and other) delineative purposes.


Whole sign suddenly vanished
(both in the West and in Vedic astrology)
during the same period of time
-ie, late 8th to early 9th century-
this sudden disappearance suggests a sudden turn in astrological thinking and practices,
rather than a gradual supplanting of a less effective traditional method (whole sign)
by a new and more effective method (rheotrius/alchabitius in the West,
and the closely related to whole sign Equal house, in Vedic astrology)


I quite agree with Waybread in the statement, "so what?"
(if old time astrologers did or didn't do something)
For me, there is only 1 reason I switched to whole sign
-it worked better
(FOR ME)
I could care less if it were the oldest house system
(which it is)
or whether it was invented by Badda Bing at Barney's Beanery in Bayonne, 10 years ago:
only things I consider are:

-does it seem to make sense?
-does it "taste good" to me
(ie, does it "feel right" to me)
-and, if yes to the above, does it work
(producing delineations and predicitions)
better than what I have previously been doing?

Well, whole sign did all that
for me, so I switched;
but I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything about it,
except for beginners
-to you who might just be starting out,
I would say: try whole sign first,
and see how well it might work for you.
..
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THAT'S CERTAINLY TRUE.

But if you are going to act as if the only astrology of any importance is yours, which is what you usually do(with your giant YELLING colored scripts and endless videos), then newbies need to know what your bias is.

While I am willing to accept all of tradional astrology as a base, you are NOT willing to accept any of modern astrology's knowledge. Its a one way street for you, Traditional or the High Way.

It is what it is

.
For some the bias and 'one-way street' is astrodynes and asteroids
and the use of small bolded sentences
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There aren't a lot of available info out there on the web about ASC aspects.
Heck, I don't even know what ASC retrograde mean and couldn't find out anywhere.
That is because it is impossible for an ASC to be retrograde

although
the planetary RULER of the ASC may be retrograde

keep in mind that
generalisation is a flawed method
which is fun
but unreliable

because
each natal chart is completely different from any other natal chart
so
each Ascendant requires individual delineation

begin by studying the PLANET that rules the Ascendant
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/jupiter.html
then study the SIGN in which the Ascendant is located http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sagittarius.html
then study the HOUSE significations http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html
there are no short-cuts
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but that's not the point.

I guess I have to evaluate my Mars Opp ASC
more than Jupiter opp Saturn because those are already strongly placed.

I guess if I can overcome that challenge, I'm able to go where I wanna go.

The fact is that a natal chart is not analysed in a day or even a week or a month
take time to explore the world of astrology
experiment with ancient and traditional as well as modern
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That is because it is impossible for an ASC to be retrograde

although
the planetary RULER of the ASC may be retrograde

keep in mind that
generalisation is a flawed method
which is fun
but unreliable

because
each natal chart is completely different from any other natal chart
so
each Ascendant requires individual delineation

begin by studying the PLANET that rules the Ascendant
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/jupiter.html
then study the SIGN in which the Ascendant is located http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sagittarius.html
then study the HOUSE significations http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html
there are no short-cuts

The fact is that a natal chart is not analysed in a day or even a week or a month
take time to explore the world of astrology
experiment with ancient and traditional as well as modern
Jupiter is in retrograde in Leo. Jupiter is ruled by Sag. Gotcha, and you as well as many others are right the whole chart needs to be evaluated.

I would like to learn. I'm learning slowly with different things. It is very complex no doubt. You guys are well gifted in this craft, been doing it for so long, that you are able to get to real matter of the issue, even if its the wrong question that is being asked.

for the longest time, Ive used the whole house system because I thought it was more accurate for me. I switch over to Placidus after realizing that the Placidus systems uses the longitude and the latitude and it's more quadrant based.
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If you don't mind me asking, what was your son's opposition?
I've made several wedges work with clients. This one, it is Sun in 7th opposed by Saturn in 1st. Apex of wedge is Jupiter in 3rd.

If apex of wedge is in cedent house, it takes time to work (any planet in cedent takes time to work - years and years). Yours is also in cedent house and if you want the wedge to work it will take time.

BTW, I learnt astrological configurations since 1985, including how to work with them to advantage.

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I've made several wedges work with clients. This one, it is Sun in 7th opposed by Saturn in 1st. Apex of wedge is Jupiter in 3rd.

If apex of wedge is in cedent house, it takes time to work (any planet in cedent takes time to work - years and years). Yours is also in cedent house and if you want the wedge to work it will take time.

BTW, I learnt astrological configurations since 1985, including how to work with them to advantage.
Right. You told me that I just have to use keep using my mercury.

Okay, so my mercury is in a peregrine sign but it's in a strongly placed being in the 3rd house that rules over Gemini.

I usually try my best to negotiate times and affairs with other people, which turns out better in some situations and then some in others. What you are saying that it will take time to stir that energy up to use it to it's full power. Cool.

The Sextile is opportunity and the Trine is free-flowing energy which has no blockage a.k.a. You are able to use that energy successfully without any problems.

So, If I'm able to keep using my mercury to harness the energies of the sextile and take advantage of that trine in the right way then maybe I am able to balance two those opposing forces a bit better...

I dunno. I'm just thinking out loud. To me, it's like your son became the Jupiter in his third house, to others and to his superiors. I'm thinking like his Jupiter allowed to take him places because you have harnessed that particular energy in him in order for him to fully express it.

That's amazing that you've been doing it for THAT long. Wow, that's awesome.
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I usually try my best to negotiate times and affairs with other people, which turns out better in some situations and then some in others. What you are saying that it will take time to stir that energy up to use it to it's full power. Cool.

The Sextile is opportunity and the Trine is free-flowing energy which has no blockage a.k.a. You are able to use that energy successfully without any problems.

So, If I'm able to keep using my mercury to harness the energies of the sextile and take advantage of that trine in the right way then maybe I am able to balance two those opposing forces a bit better...

I dunno. I'm just thinking out loud. To me, it's like your son became the Jupiter in his third house, to others and to his superiors. I'm thinking like his Jupiter allowed to take him places because you have harnessed that particular energy in him in order for him to fully express it.
I am glad, that you are getting my point and will be very happy if you can make your wedge working for you. It will need sincere effort, dedication and time.

And, your guess about my son is correct. His personality exhibits Jupiter trait.
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SUMMARY FOR YOU

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Initially, communication, diplomacy, strategy, negotiation towards own finance and others money.

I do expect you to learn more and have practical approach for 2nd and 8th affair.
You may need to learn accounting, finances, etc. to manage things better.
People learn trading techniques to improve margins under such influence.


Right now, what is situation? How is it working?
Good advice to potentially learn accounting, financial mangement and so on

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Well... at the moment my income situation is not at it's best.
When it comes to the 8TH House, I excessively try not to rely on that area, only because it comes off very strong for me.

The situation right now is one where I would like to stabilize my second house
(in aquarius it's not really stable) because of income issues.
I want to be able to put a career together.
keep in mind that
both traditional AND modern astrology continue with SATURN as ruler of AQUARIUS
because the vast majority of modern astrologers assign only CO-rulership of AQUARIUS to Uranus
so for modern astrologers Uranus is Co-ruler WITH Saturn
traditional astrologers exclude Uranus and SATURN rules AQUARIUS
here's a comment from a seasoned astrologer with at least four decades experience

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Hmmm.

I like Saturn as lord of Aquarius,
Venus disposing Libra as well as Taurus,
and Mercury for Virgo.

Why change what has worked for 2000 years?

And if such a change in rulerships is considered advantageous,
why resort to asteroids?
Are planets and asteroids indistinguishable in your view (of equal potency)?

Of course, as an individual astrologer you are free to use whatever you choose as ruler of anything, for any reason.
Astrology boils down to a system of thought based on analogy with the observable universe.
There is nothing in the system graven in stone.
But then, if it works why fix it?


The power of astrology lies in its naive simplicity.
Personally, I hesitate to add to its complexity.
If, by giving Vesta and Pallas a Grand Inaugural Ball celebrating their ascension to the status of sign lords, you improve your skills and penetrating insight as an astrologer, I commend you.
But if you gain nothing that could have been done equally well without them.....?????
Have you found that using Mercury as lord of Virgo gives unreliable results?

I would be interested in hearing your views on "sign rulership."
Just what is the function of a sign lord?
What are its powers, how does it work?
What can it tell us? How do we approach its interpretation as sign lord? Etc.
an astrologer with more than five decades of experience is of the following opinion
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The "astrodyne"
(or "cosmodyne") system developed by Modernist pioneer CC Zain,
can be effectively used as a kind of dignity/debility evaluative methodology, from the Modernist perspective.



Personally, I have largely abandoned both the Modernist and Traditionalist dignity/debility concepts and systematic approaches
and have substituted instead the ashtakavarga evaluative method of (very) ancient Indian astrology,
which works perfectly well whether applied to 7 or 10 planets,
and
whether used with the sidereal (typical Vedic) zodiac
OR
the Western tropical zodiac

(which is what I always use)...
so dr. farr's fifty years of astrological learning
has led him to having abandoned BOTH modern
- such as Cosmodynes/Astrodynes method of CC Zain -
AND traditional methods of DIGNITY EVALUATION


dr. farr instead favors a very ancient Indian astrological method known as ashtakavarga


in contrast

traditional learner tsmall who has two or three years experience comments:


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The more I learn about traditional methods, the more this really is the case.
The key is to understand what the dignity or debility means.
Are we talking about planets in fall, or planets in detriment?
Because they mean different things.


A planet in fall (the opposite of exaltation) will experience some amount of guilt around the houses it rules,
because a fall from grace presupposes (often incorrectly) a certain amount of blame.
A planet in detriment, with no dignity what so ever
(by any measure of dignity)
is a planet without resources given to it
...that does not mean the planet can't find those resources for itself.

Peregrine, for example, can mean wily, or street smart.

And the way we figure it out has more to do with the nature of the planet, and the nature of the place in which it finds itself.
Jupiter in Cancer in the 2nd house in a day chart
isn't always going to be the best thing ever...even though he (the native) might expect to be.

.....Consider a chart wherein Saturn is the Lord of the Geniture in a day chart, peregrine,
applying to the MC, in masculine sign, degree and quadrant...
Saturn is more than competent to be the best thing ever for the native,
even though Saturn is a "traditional malefic."

A domiciled planet out of sect isn't always a great thing.
Not necessarily for the native, but maybe for the people the native encounters.

Just my two cents worth.
So according to tsmall, a peregrine planet may be 'street smart'
and find other ways of carrying out its significations
using tsmall's analogy then
perhaps your MERCURY can find 'street smart' ways of getting necessary resources


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Jupiter is in retrograde in Leo.

Jupiter is ruled by Sag.

not quite....
SAGITTARIUS is ruled by JUPITER

and
in this particular case
SAGITTARIUS
the house which JUPITER is symbolically 'the owner' or 'landlord' of, is empty
with 'the landord'/'owner' away visiting LEO
where JUPITER has some resources simply because this is a NIGHT CHART

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Gotcha, and you as well as many others are right the whole chart needs to be evaluated.

I would like to learn. I'm learning slowly with different things.
It is very complex no doubt.

You guys are well gifted in this craft, been doing it for so long, that you are able to get to real matter of the issue, even if its the wrong question that is being asked.

for the longest time, Ive used the whole house system because I thought it was more accurate for me.
I switch over to Placidus after realizing that the Placidus systems uses the longitude and the latitude and it's more quadrant based.
Useful to refer to the following table
and
HOW TO READ THIS TABLE
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html

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SUMMARY FOR YOU


Good advice to potentially learn accounting, financial mangement and so on


keep in mind that
both traditional AND modern astrology continue with SATURN as ruler of AQUARIUS
because the vast majority of modern astrologers assign only CO-rulership of AQUARIUS to Uranus
so for modern astrologers Uranus is Co-ruler WITH Saturn
traditional astrologers exclude Uranus and SATURN rules AQUARIUS
here's a comment from a seasoned astrologer with at least four decades experience


an astrologer with more than five decades of experience is of the following opinion

so dr. farr's fifty years of astrological learning
has led him to having abandoned BOTH modern
- such as Cosmodynes/Astrodynes method of CC Zain -
AND traditional methods of DIGNITY EVALUATION


dr. farr instead favors a very ancient Indian astrological method known as ashtakavarga


in contrast

traditional learner tsmall who has two or three years experience comments:



So according to tsmall, a peregrine planet may be 'street smart'
and find other ways of carrying out its significations
using tsmall's analogy then
perhaps your MERCURY can find 'street smart' ways of getting necessary resources



not quite....
SAGITTARIUS is ruled by JUPITER

and
in this particular case
SAGITTARIUS
the house which JUPITER is symbolically 'the owner' or 'landlord' of, is empty
with 'the landord'/'owner' away visiting LEO
where JUPITER has some resources simply because this is a NIGHT CHART


Useful to refer to the following table
and
HOW TO READ THIS TABLE
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html

When a native has Mars opp ASC, what does that usually mean?

Thank you for that useful and informative post. I can always count on JUPITERASC for very informative and straight-to-the-point posts.

Saturn is ruled by Capricorn and Co-ruled by Aquarius. Now, basic astrology would tell you "Oh, you have Saturn in Capricorn? You should be fine. Oh you have Saturn in Aquarius? You should be fine, and the truth is, that's not 100% the case, usually because there's always other activity in the chart that says much more.

The chart you posted, looks like Saturn in Aquarius functions way better in Diurnal charts than it does in a Nocturnal chart, but since Saturn is in dignity it shouldn't make that much of a difference. Jupiter in Leo has resources to keep it strong. That retrograde makes it inward (which I understand makes the person more introspective when it's in retrograde..)
Which I can agree on because I don't ego-brag about that area in general.

and since it's in a day chart... it's perfect for Leo because Leo is ruled by the sun, which is great for Leo.

Now... going back to Mars. My mars doesn't really aspect any other planets except for minor aspects like "Semi-Square" to Jupiter/Saturn.
(Side note: I have noticed that I have Jupiter/Saturn Oppositon. Mars minor-aspect to Jupiter/Saturn. Sagittarius ASC (jupiter) in 1st with Capricorn intercepted in 1st.)

I was worried about the Jupiter/Saturn opposition because of how tight the orb, (0 degrees) and it's been said that the strong the orb is, the greater the impact.
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Anyways, to all the astrologers that have answered this thread, thank you for all your help. All I wanted was another perspective. I'm not as knowledgeable or skilled as you guys, but I appreciate the time you've put in to answer my question (even if it isn't the right question to ask)
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