david starling
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A Voyage of Discovery: Astrological Ages for the Tropical Zodiac
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Opal
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david starling
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I have to go with tropical, simply because of the way the sidereal astrologers are locating their Sign-boundaries.
Siderealist Terrence MacKinnell is the exception, because instead of following convention, and boundary-locating the sidereal Age-window at the Vernal Point, which has the leading point of the Age-window coincidental with the VP, he is (in effect) centering the sidereal Age-window on the Vernal Point, which then has the leading point of the 30 degree sidereal Age-window located 15 degrees in advance of the VP. So, for him, the Aquarian Age began in the 15th Century A.D.
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david starling
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The leading point of the Age-window, both tropically and sidereally, is the "Age-indicator", telling us which Age is currently affecting us as individuals.
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The Vernal Point (VP) is one end of the Line of Intersection of the Earth's orbital and Equatorial planes. It marks the boundary between Winter and Spring in the Northern Hemisphere.
Tropically, it's used to locate the First Point of Aries, which is a constructed 30 degree interval measured along Earth's orbital plane.
Tropically, it's used to locate the First Point of Aries, which is a constructed 30 degree interval measured along Earth's orbital plane.
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david starling
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So, now we have an awkward situation:
Tropically, the Vernal Point marks the First boundary-point of the tropical Sign Aries. So, the VP can't transit the tropical Zodiac.
But--
Sidereally, the Vernal Point does transit the Zodiac, and functions as the Age-sign locator.
And--
As the VP transits the sidereal Zodiac, the entire tropical Zodiac rotates along with it!.
However--
The vast majority of sidereal astrologers dispute the validity of the tropical Zodiac, and refer to the First Point of tropical Aries as simply, "the VP", and ignore all of the other tropical Sign-boundaries.
Tropically, the Vernal Point marks the First boundary-point of the tropical Sign Aries. So, the VP can't transit the tropical Zodiac.
But--
Sidereally, the Vernal Point does transit the Zodiac, and functions as the Age-sign locator.
And--
As the VP transits the sidereal Zodiac, the entire tropical Zodiac rotates along with it!.
However--
The vast majority of sidereal astrologers dispute the validity of the tropical Zodiac, and refer to the First Point of tropical Aries as simply, "the VP", and ignore all of the other tropical Sign-boundaries.
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david starling
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Now, enter the Age-window concept:
Instead of erasing ALL of the tropical Sign-boundaries except for the first point of tropical Aries, include the last point as well.
So then--
Instead of a single point designating the sidereal Age, we have a measured, 30 degree interval, in keeping with the overlap of Age-signs.
As a result--
This "Age-interval", or "Age-window", tells us that in addition to the "foreground Age", there's a "background Age" that goes along with it, and provides the continuity for these extremely long swaths of time, linking them together.
Instead of erasing ALL of the tropical Sign-boundaries except for the first point of tropical Aries, include the last point as well.
So then--
Instead of a single point designating the sidereal Age, we have a measured, 30 degree interval, in keeping with the overlap of Age-signs.
As a result--
This "Age-interval", or "Age-window", tells us that in addition to the "foreground Age", there's a "background Age" that goes along with it, and provides the continuity for these extremely long swaths of time, linking them together.
david starling
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So, that was the first revelation in this Voyage of Discovery: Not a single-point to mark the Ages, but a single 30 degree interval, the length of a Sign, moving into and out of convergence with each Sign of the sidereal Zodiac. The leading-edge of the Age-window functions as THE "Age-indicator", while the trailing-edge maintains continuity with the previous leading-edge Age.
When the Age-window fully converges with the Age-sign, only that Sign is contained within the window. Then, the leading-edge of the window ingresses the next Sign, and a new Age begins.
When the Age-window fully converges with the Age-sign, only that Sign is contained within the window. Then, the leading-edge of the window ingresses the next Sign, and a new Age begins.
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david starling
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The next leg of the Voyage resulted from asking this question:
Does tropical astrology have its own transiting Age-window, that can tell us the Ages from a tropical perspective?
Does tropical astrology have its own transiting Age-window, that can tell us the Ages from a tropical perspective?
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Does it use the pole stars?
david starling
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No, it uses the Sun in relation to the Earth--gets us where we live!
Tropically, the Age-window is centered on the center-line of the Earth's elliptical orbit, which is marked by the Sun's Zodiacal position at the time of Earth's Perihelion.
Sidereally, the Age-window is located using the Vernal Point, which is at one end of the line of Intersection of Earth's orbital and Equatorial planes. The Vernal Point (VP) is marked by the Sun's Zodiacal position when Spring begins (on Earth) in the Northern Hemisphere.
In both cases, the transit of the Age-window, which is known as "Precession", is believed by astronomers to be due to Earth's "wobble" as it rotates.
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I really liked the song "Aquarius", especially the part about "mystic crystal revelations, and the mind's true liberation". 
But, the opening verse, "When the Moon is in the 7th House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars...." is SO not how the Ages are determined, it's lyrically pleasing but astrologically nonsensical.
But, the opening verse, "When the Moon is in the 7th House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars...." is SO not how the Ages are determined, it's lyrically pleasing but astrologically nonsensical.
david starling
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Since the Aquarian Age is about moving from 4th to 5th Dimensional reality, the name of the band singing about the Age of Aquarius, The Fifth Dimension, was amazingly appropriate. 
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Something in defense of the lyric, "It is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius" from the song by The Fifth Dimension:
"Dawning" begins occurring about 5 or 6 degrees before Sunrise. So, that line didn't necessarily mean that the Aquarian Age had already begun, only that it was getting discernibly closer to beginning, as was the actual case in the late '60s and early 70's.
"Dawning" begins occurring about 5 or 6 degrees before Sunrise. So, that line didn't necessarily mean that the Aquarian Age had already begun, only that it was getting discernibly closer to beginning, as was the actual case in the late '60s and early 70's.
Opal
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I really liked the song "Aquarius", especially the part about "mystic crystal revelations, and the mind's true liberation".
But, the opening verse, "When the Moon is in the 7th House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars...." is SO not how the Ages are determined, it's lyrically pleasing but astrologically nonsensical.
Quite awhile ago, I checked it out and came to the same conclusion. It is a song. Nothing more.
But, the beginning of a resurgence of astrology was seeded from the song. My mother had the album. It was a fun, upbeat song.
Opal
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The perihelion happens every year. What would mark a special year?
david starling
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This year was special. If you're familiar with the way Black Moon Lilith, varies +/- from its "Mean-setting", which is its average placement, relative to its "True-setting" , which is where it actually is at any given time, its the same for the tropical location of the Point of Perihelion.
The Mean-setting of the Point of Perihelion has constant Direct-motion through the tropical Zodiac, at the rate of about a minute of arc per year. The True-setting, on the other hand, swings back and forth, from year to year, but never farther away from the Mean-setting than +/- 1.75 degrees.
The Mean-setting is Age-generational, 58.1 years per generation. But, the True-setting varies within each Age-degree generation.
This year, in January 2020, the True-setting of the tropical Age-indicator reached the closest it's come yet to tropical Aquarius, @29 degrees, 23 minutes tropical Capricorn. In 2021, it swings back about a degree.
In 2033, the True-setting of the tropical Age-indicator will come even closer to tropical Aquarius, @ 29 degrees 37 minutes tropical Capricorn. And, coincidentally, in that same year, a new Age-degree generation will begin, with a steadily Direct Mean-setting of 28 degrees tropical Capricorn.
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david starling
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First True-setting ingress of the tropical Age-indicator into Aquarius in over 20,000 years will be in 2047.
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The Mean-setting of the tropical Age-indicator will ingress tropical Aquarius 102 years after the ingress of the True-setting of the tropical Age-indicator in 2147. Once the year 2149 arrives, the True-setting will remain in Aquarius. It will swing further into Aquarius, but won't periodically swing back into Capricorn, which will be the case until 2149.
It's the Moon's orbit around the Earth that causes the variations between the True-setting and the Mean-setting.
It's the Moon's orbit around the Earth that causes the variations between the True-setting and the Mean-setting.
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