Neptune Spiritual or Psychic Trauma

Shining Ray said:

On the Pluto readings I read Pluto in Libra I do have this placement but my Pluto also squares Venus so I found his interpretation really helped me to understand this aspect.

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jagetoile said:

hi Rose, i perfectly understand your life story, which in itself, very enlightening like Neptune herself. My Natal Neptune is very well aspected but it's in conjunction with my ASC. I don't have problems like yours but i should admit that being overly idealistic and intuitive has still brought me some personal mistakes. Sometimes i just felt that i saw through people so easily that i was almost unseasy with myself. To see their back-thoughts at first sight or them lying made me wonder whether i was not noble myself. While other times i was just bewildered by some typical Neptunian people (usually Neptune square Jupiter, or Neptune square/opposition Mars etc.). I think with a Neptune configuation like mine and yours, it's very worthwhile to keep some distance with certain things or guys. Neptune gives the power for universal love, but it also erases the boundaries. Maybe the best lesson for a Neptunian person is learn to see the limits of things, best, Jag

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lilllybelle said:

J.W. Green has had more influence on me than any other astrologer. He gets straight to the point of why we are studying this stuff, to grow. I have learned so much about myself from his books, things that were so hard for me to understand and harder for me to see the patern of. He made me aware of some of my self destructive patterns. I think his stuff is what astrology is all about. I would like to study with him. For some reason, I don't see him making it to be 80 something years old. His health seems frail at times. Maurice Fernandez is another very good evolutionary astrologer. He tends to focus more on Neptune. I went to a lecture of his once, and it was so moving. L.

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Shining Ray said:

Neptune: Spiritual or Psychic Trauma

Neptune in the Fourth House or Cancer: an idealistic expectation that the world, the universe, the origin of all things, the home, and the family is but a universal womb of puritity, simplicity, of love, and of nurturing for and through all. This expectation produces a natural emotional empathy for all, a compassion linked to the common suffering of all. Disillusionment and spiritual trauma occurs to these people through the experience and perception of a natural innocence which exists within themselves, and others, becoming violated, abused, destroyed and contaminated. This experience is based on the ugly realization that impurity exists in others, that others can have malevolent intentions, that the world is no good, and that the soul can be corrupted. The natural child of innocence becomes lost, confused, and alienated within an impure world. An existential void of a godless world now haunts their souls. When Neptune transits the 4th House, forms stressful aspects through transit to the Moon, or the planetary ruler of the 4th House, or to planets in the natal 4th House these traumas can occur.

Although i'm not very pessimist, nor optimist, i know the world isn't full of good people, good circonstances. But that's life in my text book. Just try to make something good of it, for your own. Try to do good, but don't let others misuse you, or don't act too naive...
Also Jupiter is my Ic ruler... I broke with my mother in feb 2004, when Neptune was running towards a conjunction with my nJupiter...
But Pluto was then (and now still) in my 4th house, and is now running towards an exact square to the Moon

Neptune in the Sixth House (transit) or Virgo: an idealistic expectation of collective and individual purity and perfection in all things, of right action. These expectations are judged against some ultimate standard of conduct. For these people purity and perfection is unconsciously linked to the desire to sacrifice oneself, the ego, to the principle of service to another, others, or the Whole. These people carry an unconscious yet pervading undefined guilt that needs to he atoned for. This leads to the creation of personal crisis and masochistic type behavior, a behavior defined by the unconscious that leads to personal crucifixion to that which is impure and unholy. Psychic or spiritual trauma occurs through creating a life of suffering in a variety of ways including physical illnesses which can not be explained, cured or properly diagnosed. Trauma occurs via an inability to understand why their suffering persists despite every effort to purify and atone for themselves through personal sacrifice. When Neptune transits the Sixth House, forms stressful aspects thru transits to natal Mercury, planets within the natal Sixth House, or to the planetary ruler of the Sixth House it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.

Neptune in the Seventh House or Libra: an idealistic expectation that all people are essentially pure and good in general, and those that they form intimate relationships with specifically. An unconscious desire to rescue or save people through masochistic self-sacrifice, a desire to heal the hurts of their intimate partners, and to have their own sufferings and hurts healed by others; and especially by their intimate partners. These individuals "see" the potential and spirit in all people, their partners in particular, and expect that potential to be actualized. Through identifying with another's inner spirit these individuals can experience disillusionment and great pain when the other's actual reality prevails in ways that seem contradictory to what he or she wants to see or believe. Disillusionment and trauma can occur when these individuals realize that they have given themselves away to another, and that they have nothing to show for it but pain and needs that have gone unfulfilled. In addition, these individuals idealistically expect the dynamics of giving and receiving, of equality, of justice, and of fair play to prevail in all human interactions, and especially between themselves and their intimate other. When these expectations go unfulfilled, when life experience teaches them that these ideals rarely occur, tremendous disillusionment and trauma can occur. When Neptune transits the Seventh House, forms stressful aspects thru transit to Venus, natal planets in the Seventh House, or to the planetary ruler of the Seventh House it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas. (Neptune rules my Dc)
I see the good in all people, but I also know some won't express their good and will stay neutral or even evil... I'm attracted to lost cases, problemcases... And while i act like i have my stuff good together in other life areas, my relational life is most of the time a mess...
Also tNeptune runs towards a square with my nVenus... May be that can be one of the astrological causes why I'm afraid to initiate something in love matters for the moment...

Neptune in the Tenth House or Capricorn: idealistic expectations about the nature of family structures, societal structures, and the structure of the world itself. The essence of these expectations is based on the principle of sacrificing oneself, the ego, for a larger good; to others. The principle of sacrifice can have many forms, many applications. There is an unconscious expectation that purity and right action should define and prevail in any activity: large and small. These individuals are typically defined by an unconscious and uneasy feeling of guilt; that they have done something wrong, or that there is something wrong with them. Thus, there is a need to correct or atone for that guilt. As a result, this can generate life experiences in which their unconscious ideals of purity and right action, of egocentric self-sacrifice to the Other, are violated: the abusive father, the emotionally unavailable parent, the narcissistic husband or wife, the needy of this world who latch onto these people for dear life and abuse what is offered, the imperfect worlds that violates the expectation of purity and right action, etc. Over time these kinds of experiences can generate a horrible, depressive disillusionment and trauma that can create severe bouts of depression. This trauma can lead to a life in which these people struggle to throw off the undermining feelings of being continually defeated by life itself. In addition, disillusionment and trauma can occur through the experience that what is considered "real" becomes "unreal". Nothing seems to be permanent, nothing seems to last, and that the very nature of "reality" is but transitional images that come and go. And that what is "real" is only real for the time that it actually exists. Accordingly, cycles of despair, of fighting off an inner feeling of being consumed by a dark, bottomless pit define the inner world of these individuals. As a result, these individuals create a fundamental fear of loosing control and, yet, longing to do so. Paradoxically, many of these people will seem like beacons of salvation light to others because of this inner world. This is because these people know their inner pain so well, that it serves to motivate them to heal the suffering of others. This symbol, Neptune in Capricorn, or the Tenth House, is the ultimate symbol of the crucifixion of the ego. If you doubt this consider that Jesus was put on the Cross when Neptune transited Capricorn in his time. When Neptune transits the Tenth House, forms stressful aspects through transits to Saturn, the planetary ruler of the Tenth House, or to planets within the natal Tenth House, it can generate these issues and subsequent traumas.

Guilt... I know it... most of the time a guilt i can't trace... Some I can... I know my inner pain well, but do like to ignore it... And sometimes i feel there's something wrong with me, but i don't know what...

I thought I would post this interesting article I read on Neptune.
Shining Ray

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