Lack of Cardinal Energy (HELP!)

Inquirer

Member
I am a bit concerned about my chart.

You see, I strongly lack cardinal signs in my chart. The only ones that I have are Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn (which make powerful trines and sextiles in the chart).

I also have absolutely no planets in the angular houses (1st, 4th, 7th and 10th). I do have asteroids in angular, but I'm not to sure how relevant they are. I do have aspects to my midheaven as such:
-Finger of God to Midheaven.
- Trine Saturn to Midheaven.
- Mars Opposition Midheaven.

I also have aspects to ascendant as well.

Am I doomed to be controlled like a puppet in a way I cannot control my life? I'm really concerned about this, because most people I know have at least one planet in each of the houses.

Help would be appreciated :)
 

greybeard

Well-known member
No Cardinal planets, no angular houses....

Sounds like the horoscope of a barnacle.

Have you ever noticed that the body and temperament of a tiger are admirably suited to the life of a tiger, a tree seems to be created just to do what trees do, and birds, which are flying creatures, have wings.

Seems to me you are wishing to be what you aren't and aren't intended to be.

Every other species of life is happy just To Be what they are...only man dreams of being what he is not and bemoans his fate.

The Bhagavad Gita says:
"Do thy duty, even if it be humble, rather than another's, even if it be great. To die in one's duty is life; to live in another's is death."

Your horoscope, my friend, outines "your duty". It shows how you are built, and how you are built determines the function you are meant to perform..."your duty". Be what you are, be content. You have been given the gift of Life. Is there a greater gift?
 
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mdinaz

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My point exactly. An eagle survives by actively hunting. A vulture survives by adapting to what is there for the picking, but will kill if absolutely necessary. Both survive equally well but in completely different ways. This doesn't make the eagle "better" even though everyone loves the hunter; the vulture probably survives better because it can adapt - it can pick equally off a dead bird, fish, cow, elephant, whatever. An eagle can't hunt a cow or an elephant.
 

Inquirer

Member
No Cardinal planets, no angular houses....

Sounds like the horoscope of a barnacle.

Have you ever noticed that the body and temperament of a tiger are admirably suited to the life of a tiger, a tree seems to be created just to do what trees do, and birds, which are flying creatures, have wings.

Seems to me you are wishing to be what you aren't and aren't intended to be.

Every other species of life is happy just To Be what they are...only man dreams of being what he is not and bemoans his fate.

The Bhagavad Gita says:
"Do thy duty, even if it be humble, rather than another's, even if it be great. To die in one's duty is life; to live in another's is death."

Your horoscope, my friend, outines "your duty". It shows how you are built, and how you are built determines the function you are meant to perform..."your duty". Be what you are, be content. You have been given the gift of Life. Is there a greater gift?


Interesting analogy. But do you think that aspects to the Midheaven (in particular, the Finger of God) actually helps to stop this issue. I have done a fair bit in my life so I do not consider myself in anyway to be a "barnacle" or any other type of stationary creature one could think of.

Edit: WOAH! WOAH! I just had a look at your birthchart from your birth date. Multiple grand trines! And your telling me I'm a barnacle!
*Runs away*
 
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greybeard

Well-known member
What is the issue?

You ask -- Am I doomed to be controlled like a puppet in a way I cannot control my life?

Yup.
Me too.
And my next door neighbor.
And my grandkids.
It's the nature of things.

If you "have done a fair bit in your life", then what is your concern?

You have, it seems, missed the point of my previous post.

Let me share Manilius with you --
"Fate rules the world; all things stand fixed by its immutable laws.
And the long ages are assigned a predestined course of events.
At birth our death is sealed, and our end is consequent upon our beginning.
Fate is the source of riches and kingdoms, and the more frequent poverty.
By fate are men, at birth, given their skills and characters,
their merits and defects, their losses and gains.
No one can renounce what is bestowed, or possess what is denied.
No man, by prayer, may seize fortune if it demur, or escape if it draw nigh.
Each one must bear his appointed lot."

Marcus Manilius

Paul has this to say in Romans 9:20-21:
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

I would imagine that if we conducted a poll among the two dozen best and most experienced astrologers on this forum, twenty or so would say that a person can, at least to some appreciable extent, change their character and destiny. After over 4 decades spent studying astrology, I am among the four or so who agree with Manilius.

This forum, especially the "Traditional Astrology" section, is full of detailed and specific aphorisms regarding the course of a man's life and his inner nature. A certain position (of the stars) might indicate that things begin well, seem to flower, and then suddenly wither on the vine, for example. Much of astrological learning is dedicated to these "fine points" of predicting a person's destiny. And surprisingly it works.

It is only my opinion (an opinion based on long observation and experience), but I think we really have very little to say about the nature of our lives. We are pretty much stuck with learning how to do the best we can with what we have been given.

Says the Gita: "Because thou art in the bondage of Karma, of the forces of thine own past life; and that which thou, in thy delusion, with a good will dost not want to do, unwillingly thou shalt have to do."(Bh.G. 18:60, tr. Mascaro)

You need not believe me. All you need do is learn, in enough detail, what it is your horoscope says, and then watch it unfold as your life progresses. Right now, it seems to me, you are looking for someone to tell you what you want to hear.

I have made no judgment regarding your chart. I haven't seen it. What I've written here are some general ideas about life that I have found useful, and which have a bearing on your original questions.

When there are no planets found in Cardinal signs, "The native is left free to break into the continuity of any chain of events without the slightest risk of antagonizing anybody, or outraging any reasonable set of standards.... The individual is able to enter the arena of his own special world entirely at his own convenience and in consequence to establish and maintain a rather full control of all eventualities." [M.E. Jones, The Essentials of Astrological Analysis, p.293]
 
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Flapjacks

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I am not appreciating all the barnacle hating in this thread. Did you know barnacles have the longest sexual appendage-to-body-size of any living creature? Respect.
 

miquar

Well-known member
Hi Inquirer. If you'd like to post your chart I'd be happy to discuss the lack of emphasis on cardinal signs and angular houses in the light of the chart as a whole.

Just as a person with an under-emphasis on water signs can still choose to develop their feeling function in order to become more rounded, so a person with a lack of cardinality can choose to develop their capacity to act decisively. Hard aspects involving at least one personal planet, and also a strong Mars, are particularly helpful, but anyone who lacks cardinality can cultivate a capacity to take initiative, and the natal chart always gives clues to how this can most naturally be achieved.

It will also be interesting to see which transits to your natal chart coincided with your starting a thread about this issue.
 

Blackempress

Well-known member
I am a bit concerned about my chart.

You see, I strongly lack cardinal signs in my chart. The only ones that I have are Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn (which make powerful trines and sextiles in the chart).

I also have absolutely no planets in the angular houses (1st, 4th, 7th and 10th). I do have asteroids in angular, but I'm not to sure how relevant they are. I do have aspects to my midheaven as such:
-Finger of God to Midheaven.
- Trine Saturn to Midheaven.
- Mars Opposition Midheaven.

I also have aspects to ascendant as well.

Am I doomed to be controlled like a puppet in a way I cannot control my life? I'm really concerned about this, because most people I know have at least one planet in each of the houses.

Help would be appreciated :)


Cardinal Signs tend to want to initiate & they exist along your chart & would be triggered through transits even if there are no planets. Secondly, cardinal signs with bad aspects can lead to more frustration than planets in say Mutable signs.

I would be the 5th to join GB's bandwagon of fatalism yet we still struggle to be so-much-more-than-we-are.

Back to the main point, the aspects you've mentioned would certainly play their role into establishing you into something worthwhile. I respect Saturn & the stability it offers despite the labor that comes with it. The remaining foundation has been laid, work-hard & achieve whatever you wish. You gotta make effort for everything, even getting the food onto your plate & then chewing it.

Behind the veils of glamour, there's nothing extraordinary about any life. :tongue:
 

miquar

Well-known member
Hi Inquirer - thanks for thanking my post, but are you going to post your chart?

The 'bandwagon of fatalism' seems very two-dimensional to me. We strive to affirm our individuality, and we do so according to our predisposition - our conditioning. When we surrender to what is, we see that the sense of self is superficial and relative. So while the birth chart initially shows our path to becoming conscious of the various archetypes into which existence is refracted, it also shows what kind of self we are clinging to (especially, I believe, in the case of tropical astrology). By acknowledging our biases (for example an underemphasis on cardinality) we gain leverage against our conditioning - leverage against the priorities and values which make up our particular brand of self-defence and self-glorification. By trying to rebalance our biases, we move closer to a direct experience of existence - closer to a realisation of our true nature. We don't need astrology to achieve this, and in fact it probably serves as a distraction more often than not. But in any case, when someone asks about redressing an imbalance in the birth chart, we have an opportunity to help them to challenge the momentum of their conditioning.
 

anjelik

Well-known member
I am a bit concerned about my chart.

You see, I strongly lack cardinal signs in my chart. The only ones that I have are Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn (which make powerful trines and sextiles in the chart).

I also have absolutely no planets in the angular houses (1st, 4th, 7th and 10th). I do have asteroids in angular, but I'm not to sure how relevant they are. I do have aspects to my midheaven as such:
-Finger of God to Midheaven.
- Trine Saturn to Midheaven.
- Mars Opposition Midheaven.

I also have aspects to ascendant as well.

Am I doomed to be controlled like a puppet in a way I cannot control my life? I'm really concerned about this, because most people I know have at least one planet in each of the houses.

Help would be appreciated :)

I think if you are aware of puppeteering then you are better off than you thought. It's the people who are completely oblivious that are worse off than you. I'm sure you are fine.
 

greybeard

Well-known member
I'm sure some people have changed some aspect of their behavior.
But not all people.

The scripture says, "I am that I am."
You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
We can''t change our nature, only whether the positive manifestations of our nature prevail over the negative.

Jung said something to the effect that when our acts are ruled by unconscious forces we will call the consequences fate.
Most of us are ruled most of the time by unconscious forces.

Fatalism is not out of place.

And to the OP, the day that I became certain that I am a puppet was the same day that I realized my freedom. It's all a matter of how you look at life.
 

Zarathu

Account Closed
I think that we can learn to put fences around the things that cause difficulty, and limit our involvement with them.

We can develop alternatives sometimes which are less harmful or which don't impact others in the same way, either through thought, word, or deed.

So while we are not changing our essential nature, we are doing what the white fairy did in Sleeping beauty, we are not killing the host but we are putting it asleep for 100 years to wake up to a beautiful prince with a kiss.

This we can do, and if we try, we can become quite good at it.

Waking up dead or waking up to a kiss from a beautiful princess or handsome prince is fulfilling in every sense of the word. I had a clinet one time who couldn't stop smoking no matter what. He finally started smoking one of those electronic cigarettes. He simply had to have something in his hands that went to his anal needs.
 

Inquirer

Member
just make your chart in sidereal and you will have all the cardinal planets you need

lol if you let yourself be defined by a chart you got serious issues that you need to talk with a specialist, because you forgot there are other people born on the same day with the same ascendents who are without your problems

Okay, you know what, three things.

Number one, that question is actually pretty old. I've actually realised that my chart was wrong due to not considering daylight saving times. But you wouldn't have known that so I'm not going to make an issue about that.

Number two, if you think people are NOT defined by their chart, then why are you on this forum?

Number three, I've had people say on other forums that this place is one of the WORST places to ask questions in regard to astrology. And you know what? They are right. LindaGoodman doesn't have any of these issues, let alone people who "hurr durr I'm going to use "inverted commas" "for" "everything" "because" "I" "Failed" "at" "Life" (not going to mention which person that is). No wonder why hardly anyone goes on here.

I like everyone else want to try to increase POTENTIAL based on what we are given at birth. Is it such a bad thing?

I once answered a question that was asked ages ago, and randomly some guy say "oh noes, how dare you answer a question from ages ago". And it wasn't even THEIR question.

I dunno, go on a psychology forum instead and waste server memory there.
 

ScorpioCrow

Well-known member
Oh boy.

Well, I myself have two planets in cardinal signs, Saturn in Aries and Venus in Capricorn. And never fear - cardinal is about starting things. New beginnings, the driving force behind all creation. Fixed is more about sticking with what has been started until it's finished. And mutable is a blessing - mutable tendencies bring an ability to be and do whatever is needed at the time; flexibility.

I largely have Fixed and Mutable signs in my chart, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
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