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strange, I've never heard of this one, plus I have moon opp neptune and nothing like that would be connected to my mother. But ALL aspects have a positive and negative side to them. I would have thought Neptune in 12th house would indicate this more specificially though....
I have no addiction or emotional issues but I'm still pretty young (19) lol

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where is your neptune? do you want to post your chart...
My Neptune is in the 12th. Moon in Libra/9th.
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My Neptune is in the 12th. Moon in Libra/9th.
I use Equal House system (where each cusp is same as Ascendant) and am a modern astrologer. Lots of newcomers come into Astrology/forums and get a free chart from www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few others if you wish to experiment…..

Within the mainstream here on AW of placidus/equal houses (the default on astro is placidus) only difference being some planets may move from one house to another thereby altering it's interpretation and it's 'only' with research will you find which /planets 'fit you' in which houses. So my advice, do two charts, research any planets that move houses and see which you identity with - simple

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your neptune is well aspected and involvefd in a kite configuration and moon also has a sextile to saturn. These *other aspects* can often mitigate hard aspects. Remember they are only *facets* of our personality and we are all multifaceted human beings.....

Libra moon can be charming sociable and diplomatic, but they can have an argumentative side to and incredibly indecisive, something that capricorn neptune won't like to much...

Cancer/moon rules 7th and is posited conj 10th house cusp Equal (not MC just 10th house cusp) and is within 5' orb of a house cusp and therefore more effective in the next house along going anti clockwise....

Now Neptune is coming from 3rd house of communications pisces...

Ruler of the Third House in the Twelfth House
"You keep many of your thoughts to yourself and you are quite capable of keeping a secret, which is something other people can appreciate. It's natural for you to understand more abstract spiritual concepts that go beyond traditional orthodox boundaries.
You often speak from the subconscious mind without even realizing it and past life memories may filter through into your conscious mind. You can develop your intuition to a high degree. There could have been unclear circumstances surrounding a brother/sister or a near relative. Or, you may simply have a strong past life connection with them".
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...rships.htm#hr3

I would discount your venus square saturn at 9' approaching as too wide for me to be valid

your stellium would still remain in 8th but sun conj mars very tight orb will modify your sun's expressions to be quite assertive and wilful and wanting to control other on occasions no doubt..

Pluto conj MC age 1 is the disappearing parent, or it could be a death of even. Age 8 did you have any mysterious illnesses? or hard to define, or anyone die then? Age 9 did you move to a bigger house?

lastly, saturn would be firmly in 12th house in Equal..having chart ruler in 12th says you need time alone to commune and have quite a private streak?

saturn in 12th house can show a father either absent, missing or simply effectual in setting boundaries structures and alike in early childhood. psychological or physical absence of a father (or authority figure) who worked, or who provided a model for you in terms of discipline, organisation, and coping with the realities of everyday living, you were not encouraged to develop your ambition or your competitive spirit, or to believe in your potential for success. This can add listlessness and not finding ones direction

Saturn in 12th house
Serve or suffer are the keynotes here and the individual can choose which way he will take: but choose he must. Always a subconscious wish to retreat.
Craving for solitude. Great sensitivity. A deep seated selfishness has to be dissolved through suffering. These people need a sense of inner purpose and make good behind the scenes organisers. They often suffer from an inexplicable fear of authority or concern about the future, and should find a way to develop self‑confidence.
Capable of bringing stability into other people’s lives, by helping and organising those less fortunate than yourself.
Don’t like to acknowledge figures of authority (including parental)

Saturn can indicate deep‑seated loneliness, fear or guilt, despair or negativity which may be difficult to confront. But it also shows the ability to apply yourself with determination and/or ­concen­tration to some SOLITARY TASK ‑ perhaps to your work, which helps you to bring order to the internal chaos.

the often hidden weakness that having saturn here can suggest with Saturn or Capricorn here, you hesitate to openly express and come to terms with your negative feelings, particularly fear, guilt, loneliness, and mistrust. Because you haven't dealt with the fear and self‑doubt, which inhibit you, you may deny your desire for professional accomplishment. This Saturnian influence can manifest as psychological rigidity and withholding, due to inability to let go of past patterns. You above all, need to come to terms with your repression.

Saturn's strength and positive side here provides inner strength and self‑discipline, a capacity to cope with loneliness and handle responsibility, and a ­willingness to work on your own with determination and ­perseverance.

This house is where you learn to 'become whole' you could reject or deny someone you love.

for further clues as to how the 12th operates. look to where the ruler is and how it's aspected...

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how would private enterprise be connected to your son?
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I have a question for Astrologer50:

You said that the Neptune in your chart indicates where you may have to 'sacrifice' something that may not be recognized so if one, such as myself, has her Neptune in the first house then in your opinion what would that indicate to you? I thought about it and thought about it and really couldnt come up with a plausible explanation for that, but I thought that was an interesting explanation for Neptune in the chart. Thank you.

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I have a question for Astrologer50:

You said that the Neptune in your chart indicates where you may have to 'sacrifice' something that may not be recognized so if one, such as myself, has her Neptune in the first house then in your opinion what would that indicate to you? I thought about it and thought about it and really couldnt come up with a plausible explanation for that, but I thought that was an interesting explanation for Neptune in the chart. Thank you.

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It could mean you're very neptunian, creative, artistic, day dreaming... I know someone with neptune on the ASC like by 0 degree and he's very creative, he's a writer. He hasn't produced anything (he writes songs and poems) but he has participated in contests where his poems were published.

I have never heard of it being something you have sacrifice, being in your first perhaps it's your ego? Do you look at everyone as equal regardless of what they do, say, look like etc?
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I don’t know if this is the right way to delineate this square but here goes:
With the Moon in the 2nd house and Neptune in the 5th house (as per the chart you have attached) there would be a tendency to spend money quite recklessly at times and to get involved in dubious schemes. Do not speculate financially without expert advice.
Before investing in art or antiques have a trusted person evaluate them.
I don’t think that this square would indicate the mother per se but all women in general would be perceived as evasive and deceitful.
There also may be substance abuse either by you or many women you come across.
A well balanced sense of self/ego may be elusive because of a proclivity to please everyone (especially women) without/in spite of accessing what you want/need. (2nd house Moon in Libra).
There also may be times when you feel you are not needed or wanted and you may try and over compensate for that. (Neptune being the ruler of your 6th house).
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I have a question for Astrologer50:

You said that the Neptune in your chart indicates where you may have to 'sacrifice' something that may not be recognized so if one, such as myself, has her Neptune in the first house then in your opinion what would that indicate to you? I thought about it and thought about it and really couldnt come up with a plausible explanation for that, but I thought that was an interesting explanation for Neptune in the chart. Thank you.

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ok, so neptune is where we make sacrifices yes? so do YOU make sacrifices for others without thinking? do you do too much for others and neglect yourself perhaps?? do you allow your sensitivity (being the shop window, angular, and therefore visible) to take over on occasions? do you perhaps regret that you are soooo sensitive when around others and wish it not to be so? do others take advantage of you or see you as a 'soft touch'??

Neptune in lst House – angular house
Should try to avoid alcohol and drugs. Often have an air of mystery about you. Indicates a sensitive ‑ intuitive awareness of yourself and your environment. Highly impressionable. Certainly artistic and a great appreciation of music. Dreamy innocent look ‑ drift off when talking! Dissatisfied with appearance in some way ie; manner, looks. Sometime appear to live in world of own. Idealist. Physical appearance probably something you don't care for. People may often say to you ‑ look at me when I'm talking to you! Can daydream with eyes wide open. Neptunian illnesses ‑ movements affected ‑ will walk funny ‑ at least with one foot. (twine‑toed as small child or when first walking ) Mysterious allergies on skin or where obvious, and suddenly disappear.

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It could mean you're very neptunian, creative, artistic, day dreaming... I know someone with neptune on the ASC like by 0 degree and he's very creative, he's a writer[is mercury it linked to his neptune by any chance??]. He hasn't produced anything (he writes songs and poems) but he has participated in contests where his poems were published.

I have never heard of it being something you have sacrifice, [change then to 'do for others' whilst neglecting your own interests...]being in your first perhaps it's your ego? [similar, outward lens, expressions, the first things that others see]Do you look at everyone as equal regardless of what they do, say, look like etc?
hmmm good point, maybe they sometimes see themselves as inferior and 'do things' to gain approval maybe?

I have mine in 9th the house of in-laws. I always wanted a close loving family (as mine was quite dysfunctional really) and loved that both my husbands seemed to have this, BUT after we married they both pulled away from family to focus on me/or the relationship. Also the house of 'higher education' I regret I never got the same opportunites my two brothers were given, as it was considered (in those days) more important to educate males than females, as they would be 'breadwinners' whereas girls/females would marry and simply have children....

I also have been (past tense) confused around religion, I attended strict methodish church as a child, married in Anglican church, my sons were brought up 'junior soldiers' in salvation army, I'm a member of a Christian Spiritualist church a, psychic, medium and lots others..... but won't go on and on, but you get the gist....

also for a further link, look which house pisces is ruling and use this site to make the links
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...rulerships.htm

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I don’t know if this is the right way to delineate this square but here goes:
With the Moon in the 2nd house and Neptune in the 5th house (as per the chart you have attached) [WHOSE CHART?]there would be a tendency to spend money quite recklessly at times and to get involved in dubious schemes. Do not speculate financially without expert advice. [excellent]
Before investing in art or antiques have a trusted person evaluate them.
I don’t think that this square would indicate the mother per se but all women in general would be perceived as evasive and deceitful. [hmm that's a bit harsh? you must have had some bad experiences then?]
There also may be substance abuse either by you or many women you come across.[that seems bit extreme, something like neptune 7th could indicate this, but 5th is also lovers, children]
A well balanced sense of self/ego may be elusive because of a proclivity to please everyone (especially women) without/in spite of accessing what you want/need. (2nd house Moon in Libra).
There also may be times when you feel you are not needed or wanted and you may try and over compensate for that.[how did you overcompensate?] (Neptune being the ruler of your 6th house) [2nd house moon has emotional need to be nurtured and defensive over self worth issues and self esteem]
Excellent delination mind you, 5th house is the house of 'gambling'
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http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12126

moon in libra you could take that one step further and say then that women, mother could be arguementative, indecisive, procrastinating (all libran traits) as well as people pleaser


Ruler of the Sixth House in the Fifth House
"Your work could involve children. You tend to have a lot of worry and concern about your own children. You want only the best for them.
You would rather have the work you do be very creative or at least it should be something you get a lot of personal pleasure from. Additionally, the work you do could have some kind of risk attached to it. If you have pets, you probably treat them like they were your children."
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...rships.htm#hr6

Neptune in 5th House – succeedent house
Unconscious desire for love and appreciation through romance and creative expression. May have artistic talents. Especially to do with music, children, or the stock markets. Ability to play a role. Love of theatre. Very sympathetic. ­intuition strong here. This house describes love affairs and children. Romance over‑idealise. love at first sight. Romance seen through ­rose‑tinted glasses! Did you have gas and air or ­anesthetic during childbirth?
Artistic/creative children, secretive children, depending on aspects. Private enterprise ‑ beware the dangling carrot, be very wary of.

OK WORKED IT OUT this member is responding to Lilithofeden.....

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ok, so neptune is where we make sacrifices yes? so do YOU make sacrifices for others without thinking? do you do too much for others and neglect yourself perhaps?? do you allow your sensitivity (being the shop window, angular, and therefore visible) to take over on occasions? do you perhaps regret that you are soooo sensitive when around others and wish it not to be so? do others take advantage of you or see you as a 'soft touch'??

Neptune in lst House – angular house
Should try to avoid alcohol and drugs. Often have an air of mystery about you. Indicates a sensitive ‑ intuitive awareness of yourself and your environment. Highly impressionable. Certainly artistic and a great appreciation of music. Dreamy innocent look ‑ drift off when talking! Dissatisfied with appearance in some way ie; manner, looks. Sometime appear to live in world of own. Idealist. Physical appearance probably something you don't care for. People may often say to you ‑ look at me when I'm talking to you! Can daydream with eyes wide open. Neptunian illnesses ‑ movements affected ‑ will walk funny ‑ at least with one foot. (twine‑toed as small child or when first walking ) Mysterious allergies on skin or where obvious, and suddenly disappear.
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OK, so people take kindness for weakness? Yeah, I'd say that was a problem. Thank you.

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It could mean you're very neptunian, creative, artistic, day dreaming... I know someone with neptune on the ASC like by 0 degree and he's very creative, he's a writer. He hasn't produced anything (he writes songs and poems) but he has participated in contests where his poems were published.

I have never heard of it being something you have sacrifice, being in your first perhaps it's your ego? Do you look at everyone as equal regardless of what they do, say, look like etc?
Absolutely!!! I had to in a way growing up in LA is a 'melting pot' so to speak and really you never know whether you are talking to a physician or a bum off the street that's how eclectic it can be. Funny enough though....as far as artistic expression I've always been a little scientifically bent, like astrology for example, although I showed aptitude for music when younger. Of course I've always thought I may have raised being a survivor to an almost artistic level (sincerely too!). Other than that, pretty unremarkable but thanks for your input.

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Excellent delination mind you, 5th house is the house of 'gambling'
your chart did not attach?
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http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12126

moon in libra you could take that one step further and say then that women, mother could be arguementative, indecisive, procrastinating (all libran traits) as well as people pleaser


Ruler of the Sixth House in the Fifth House
"Your work could involve children. You tend to have a lot of worry and concern about your own children. You want only the best for them.
You would rather have the work you do be very creative or at least it should be something you get a lot of personal pleasure from. Additionally, the work you do could have some kind of risk attached to it. If you have pets, you probably treat them like they were your children."
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...rships.htm#hr6

Neptune in 5th House – succeedent house
Unconscious desire for love and appreciation through romance and creative expression. May have artistic talents. Especially to do with music, children, or the stock markets. Ability to play a role. Love of theatre. Very sympathetic. *intuition strong here. This house describes love affairs and children. Romance over‑idealise. love at first sight. Romance seen through *rose‑tinted glasses! Did you have gas and air or *anesthetic during childbirth?
Artistic/creative children, secretive children, depending on aspects. Private enterprise ‑ beware the dangling carrot, be very wary of.

OK WORKED IT OUT this member is responding to Lilithofeden.....
Yes, I was responding to VenusInTaurus and Lilithofeden.
Thank you very much for the encouragement in chart delineation. I have only read (or tried to) the horoscopes of friends and family till now. I am very interested in how astrology works.
I’ve attached my chart.
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ok, so neptune is where we make sacrifices yes? so do YOU make sacrifices for others without thinking? do you do too much for others and neglect yourself perhaps?? do you allow your sensitivity (being the shop window, angular, and therefore visible) to take over on occasions? do you perhaps regret that you are soooo sensitive when around others and wish it not to be so? do others take advantage of you or see you as a 'soft touch'??

Neptune in lst House – angular house
Should try to avoid alcohol and drugs. Often have an air of mystery about you. Indicates a sensitive ‑ intuitive awareness of yourself and your environment. Highly impressionable. Certainly artistic and a great appreciation of music. Dreamy innocent look ‑ drift off when talking! Dissatisfied with appearance in some way ie; manner, looks. Sometime appear to live in world of own. Idealist. Physical appearance probably something you don't care for. People may often say to you ‑ look at me when I'm talking to you! Can daydream with eyes wide open. Neptunian illnesses ‑ movements affected ‑ will walk funny ‑ at least with one foot. (twine‑toed as small child or when first walking ) Mysterious allergies on skin or where obvious, and suddenly disappear.


I’ve just read the delineation of Neptune in the 1st house by Astrologer50. It was so accurate it took my breathe away. I have a 1st house Neptune and:
• I have a very addictive personality. I get addicted to things that are bad for me in a heart beat.
• Others (strangers) do find it difficult to read me though I’m an open book to people who know me. (Mysterious? Wow!)
• Impressionable or easily influenced? If I love and trust someone they do have a great influence on the way I think and perceive things. Also, I pick up accents and speech irregularities very fast and have to make a conscious effort not to do so.
• I am artistic but I take it very casually and can’t find the seriousness within me to pursue it.
• Drift off while talking?...all the time…
• Isn’t everyone dissatisfied to an extent with their appearance?
• I’m often in a world of my own but I’m pretty firmly rooted in reality too.
• I am an idealist but, again, realistically. (Oxymoron?)
• I couldn’t be bothered to dress up and forget to wear make up or jewellery most (all) of the time. I never notice what other people are wearing either. Surprisingly, I do have an eye for beautiful things and help my friends and family shop.
• CAN I DAY DREAM WITH EYES OPEN!?! I wrote the book on it! I went through school and university whistling with the wind and dancing with the raindrops.
• I did have something wrong with my feet when I was very small and had to walk in weird shoes for a while. Years of ballet cured me of this.
• I do get strange allergies which suddenly appear and disappear. (Allergic to water? How strange is that?)
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OK, so people take kindness for weakness? Yeah, I'd say that was a problem. Thank you.

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maybe people 'put on them' see them as a 'soft touch' maleable and sensitive. Maybe they wish they could be stronger, more independent perhaps?
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maybe people 'put on them' see them as a 'soft touch' maleable and sensitive. Maybe they wish they could be stronger, more independent perhaps?
Dear Ast50: I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'put on them' but I have always been strong and independent; always. And I appreciate your help as always.

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Thank you both Astrologer50 and Thastu for your responses!
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Dear Ast50: I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'put on them' but I have always been strong and independent; always. And I appreciate your help as always.

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I can't find your chart to have another look, but 'put on you' is quite broad I know. Do people ask you to 'do things' for them? also look at *other aspects* from Neptune and moon to either help out, or hinder....

maybe read through the whole thread over and using keywords for neptune, perhaps its better for you to give your own interepretation/ideas/theory rather than me, it is your chart after all....

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I have this aspect, Moon (6th house) square Neptune (8th house). My mum left us when I was 5. I had an illusion of her because we had little contact until I was a teenager. She portrayed herself as a good mother, but it was far from the truth. This I couldnt see when I was younger because I missed her so much. Its crazy.... I saw her as the good one and my dad the bad one, but in reality it was more or less the other way around!
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I have this aspect, Moon (6th house) square Neptune (8th house). My mum left us when I was 5. I had an illusion of her because we had little contact until I was a teenager. She portrayed herself as a good mother, but it was far from the truth. This I couldnt see when I was younger because I missed her so much. Its crazy.... I saw her as the good one and my dad the bad one, but in reality it was more or less the other way around!
I totally hear you, Vagabondgirl, and my heart goes out to you. My brother and I were taken from our mother when I was 8yrs. old and we went back to live with her 3 years later due to a tragedy. She always said that she was not ready for us when we had to go and live with her again and I think that was true because I ended up leaving when I was 14. Just couldnt hack it. And I do and did really love her. I didnt meet my real dad 'till I was 16, my grandparents were very racists and he was from Central America, but that's another can of worms. Sadly, my mom ended up passing when she was only 44 yrs. old, way too young, and I do miss her but hindsight is always 20/20 and I soooo wish I knew then what I know now but that is life.

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I tried to dl my chart, and I will keep trying, but my laptop (which was probably one of the first ones ever built) it needs to go to the computer doctor, and soon!!!! The info at the bottom of my sig is my birth info, but you have already done enough for me as far as my chart is concerned and most of my questions are really mostly for study anyway so please be a little more patient with me and my chart, OK????

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serafin,
I have uploaded your chart again for you. You need to save this to your hard drive,then upload to your profile view in CP 'user control panel' top left...
then in future you can put a link from your signature view or a direct link to your profile view for members to see your chart...

so, although you do NOT have moon hard aspect moon, you have moon hard aspect saturn, which is a whole different game plan....

how you doing with t neptune conj natal mars transit??
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just a snippet from another member here on neptune conj Asc.

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9th house people tend to examine their lives on a ongoing basis.
Neptune near the ascendant people NEED to examine their lives, as so much is "illusion" and it's hard for them to know what is real.

It's always a good time to examine one's life, character and actions.
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serafin,
I have uploaded your chart again for you. You need to save this to your hard drive,then upload to your profile view in CP 'user control panel' top left...
then in future you can put a link from your signature view or a direct link to your profile view for members to see your chart...

so, although you do NOT have moon hard aspect moon, you have moon hard aspect saturn, which is a whole different game plan....

how you doing with t neptune conj natal mars transit??
I seem to be really run down emotionally as well as physically but otherwise still alive and kicking.
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