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Unread 10-10-2009, 12:39 AM
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Re: lone wolf syndrome

Well then, the description seems to fit me (not perfectly, but well enough to be significant) and the astrological significations fit me (not perfectly, but well enough to be significant, so it seems.)
I've saturn and mercury conjunct in the seventh house, Saturn being domicile in Aquarius (unless we're using modern rulership shenanigans, then I guess saturn's in mutual reception with uranus)
Leo rising with sun in aquarius, as well, making Saturn my chart ruler's dispositor. So I'm pretty sure Saturn qualifies as "elevated" in these terms (but definitely not "closer to zenith" elevated, not sure which one you meant)
Saturn is pretty freakin' closely trine my 11th house Gemini moon, (but more closely trine the moon's south node, which is about 20 minutes ahead of my moon)

Only planet in the 12th is Mars (which is right behind the 12th cusp in Placidus houses, but definitely in the 12th in Koch)

I certainly have no problems being alone, but it's not as if I flee from the company of family and friends. Sometimes I prefer to be with them, sometimes I'd rather be alone.

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so I would like to find at least 3 indications in the same chart:

* elevated Saturn in the chart (by sign or by house disposition)
* Saturn as ruler of 5th or 7th
* Saturn elevated + aspecting Moon by trine/sextile
* Jupiter in Capricorn and/or in the 12th
* Mercury in Sagittarius and Venus in Capricorn or Aquarius
* Grand Trine in water signs
I call myself a hermit

saturn is in my ninth, (rx)
capricorn rules my fifth,
mercury is in sagittarius, (rx)
my venus is in capricorn
12th house moon in virgo & virgo asc
plus venus sq uranus!
4th house ruler in the 4th (jupiter in sag) stellium in 4th (sag)

Do I win?

I guess lone wolf applies to me, as far as venus in Capricorn goes -I've never dated men with money or material goods in fact the opposite, I used to go for the underdog but I guess that was the 7th house mars in pisces and I'm definitely not good at taking, more of a giver which worked against me numerous times. I got bored easily which is probably due to venus uranus square and attracting unsuitable partners. I prefer my own space and family is most important (4th house sun/stellium) to me.

William Lilly did say mars in 7th bad for relationships, (the venus uranus square doesn't help). I can't say the 9th house saturn made me a bigot or very rigid in regard to religion - it takes all sorts to make the world go round and 'live and let live'.

Merc in sag - I still waffle!
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I call myself a hermit

saturn is in my ninth, (rx)
capricorn rules my fifth,
mercury is in sagittarius, (rx)
my venus is in capricorn
12th house moon in virgo & virgo asc
plus venus sq uranus!
4th house ruler in the 4th (jupiter in sag) stellium in 4th (sag)

Do I win?
Hehe, depends... Do you want to win?

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I used to go for the underdog but I guess that was the 7th house mars in pisces and I'm definitely not good at taking, more of a giver which worked against me numerous times.
I got some of them in my life too... I always attributed it to Neptune ruler of the 7th (you must have DC in Pisces too, right?) and I've said to myself "wait to see when transiting Neptune arrives on the DC: you will probably hit the jackpot!"

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Merc in sag - I still waffle!
I adore Merc in Sagi, especially when Rx: the most clumsy Mercury I can think of... not meant to offend you or anyone else, i find it so sweet and lovable, though so little successful in verbal communication... that's a personal preference though, not an astrological judgement...


Olivia, thank you for your contribution in the thread, very concise and specific
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Unread 11-02-2009, 11:43 PM
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Hehe, depends... Do you want to win?
No lol I'm still looking for my place in this world, I guess I haven't found a place to snuggle in...

[/QUOTE]I got some of them in my life too... I always attributed it to Neptune ruler of the 7th (you must have DC in Pisces too, right?) and I've said to myself "wait to see when transiting Neptune arrives on the DC: you will probably hit the jackpot!" [/QUOTE]

Ummmm Neptune won't hit my DC until 2028! I'll be an old spinster, like Norman Bates' mother..

[/QUOTE]I adore Merc in Sagi, especially when Rx: the most clumsy Mercury I can think of... not meant to offend you or anyone else, i find it so sweet and lovable, though so little successful in verbal communication... that's a personal preference though, not an astrological judgement...[/QUOTE]

Awww.....shucks I am clumsy..see what I mean about the underdog thing? lol
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.....and I haven't got the hang of the quote thing either......apparently...
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LOL! I am not a full-time lone wolf, just a lot of the time. I do like 1-on-1 relationships, if they are with the opposite sex. But when I am a lone wolf I am normally #2 in Vinyasa's classification, and sometimes #1 when things do not work as planned. I only have 2 of the mentioned indicators, but I have added a few of my own.

I have Saturn as the most elevated planet, Saturn is the ruler of the 5th house, Saturn squares Ascendant, and a relocated Saturn conjunct Ascendant, and Saturn transiting Ascendant. I do go to restaurants alone sometimes, but never to movies, LOL.

Pluto in the 12th (or conjunct Ascendant, or 1st house) brings satisfaction from being alone. This is when personal growth happens - when the person is alone. I often say that I would rather enjoy my own company than be in a bad or even a random unknown company.

Perhaps this is also my Leo, but any group activity is a turn-off, like going to the gym, playing team sports, and even many group gatherings. I do not mind being in the center or attention, but not for the sake of attention itself, but rather as a recognition, if I earned it by doing something that I think was worth doing.
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.....and I haven't got the hang of the quote thing either......apparently...
sagvirgorising, you are adorable!
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.....and I haven't got the hang of the quote thing either......apparently...
Just leave the stroke/slash out of the first bracket, so, when quoting without the quote button, you say
[:quote]the text here[/quote]. Leave the colon ( out of the first bracket as well, so your first bracket will look like: [quote] . I put it in, so you could see how to quote without my example turning into a quote itself.

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Re: lone wolf syndrome

mmmm MercR in Sag here.... foot in mouth occasionally... but can knock a wine glass over at 50 paces... my sis sag sun sag merc the same....yet I have gem rising jup in gem and NN in gem... I teach and can be very talkative.....

Oh, and the mercR is conj SN. Still working it all out. I do know when there is too much logic it becomes illogical, I learnt that the hard way if that counts.

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Re: lone wolf syndrome

Saturn in the third.





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Just leave the stroke/slash out of the first
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Thanks - you learn something new everyday (I did have to preview post a few times - just to be sure)



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lovable, simply lovable!! *apparently* ... this is exactly the kind
of thing i was talking about...
I think I'll be snuggling in to this forum!
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Re: lone wolf syndrome

Sounds just like me..I have asked myself this very question before..Not sure why I prefer to be by myself..I make friends easy but keeping them is another story..I just prefer to be by myself..I can be the center of attention one night but then throw people off the next day.. I have heard people say that I confuse themastro_w2gw_11_sara_hp_15291_5147.gif


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I was wondering which are the indications in someone's chart showing the "lone wolf syndrome".

By that I mean people who, even when in the company of others, they still remain somehow detached. They are not intentionally "cold" or "distant", they are too much self-contained. They simply seem to enjoy their solitude. And even in those rare moments when they become the center of attention of a group, they do it for other reasons: for their talents, for their charismas, for their intelligence - but never for their capability to connect good with a group. The more numerous the group they are related, the more disoriented they look. People who enjoy eating alone, spending saturday evenings reading a book, who have no problem going to the cinema alone, people who relish the moments they spend by themselves - even when those are plenty.

The question is: what is this in a chart that makes a person in solitude not feeling lonely?

I do not wish to personify the question, it is a general theme that concerns a discrete number of people. I always think with the rule of three, so I would like to find at least 3 indications in the same chart:

* elevated Saturn in the chart (by sign or by house disposition)
* Saturn as ruler of 5th or 7th
* Saturn elevated + aspecting Moon by trine/sextile
* Jupiter in Capricorn and/or in the 12th
* Mercury in Sagittarius and Venus in Capricorn or Aquarius
* Grand Trine in water signs

What does your experience say?

In case the theme has been extensively covered by another thread, please re-direct me, as I have not managed to find any.
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Re: lone wolf syndrome

Do you think that a grand trine in Earth would cause someone to be a "lone wolf"?

For me, the grand trine includes sun, merc. & venus in Virgo, moon in Taurus, and saturn, uranus & neptune in Capricorn.

My chart is almost entirely earth signs, particularly virgo and capricorn, and I often find that I feel very detached from social situations, and I particularly struggle with larger groups, but I relish in one-on-one interactions with other people. I also love to spend time by myself, I feel like its essential to centering myself and processing the world around me. Its also a crucial time for me to sort out my thoughts, etc. However, it does get lonely sometimes...
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Sara, congrats!! You manage to be a lone wolf and you don't fall in any of the initial criteria I had thought of!!! From a first look on your chart, what I see that could make me think of a lone-wolf attitude is the Moon in the 12th squared by Saturn (in detriment) and ok, Saturn rules your communication sector and you may look "heavier" or more serious to the others, but still it is not enough... I must also say you have 5 out 7 personal planets in water (+Asc in water) and even your Gemini Mars is so close to the Cancer and anyway in the 8th, a water house... But this chart would equally make me think of an artistic personality, not necessarily a lonely wolf... Nevertheless, in case you do not already do something artistic, I bet you have at least one such talent...
Do you feel you can relate to any of these categories? You don't have to, just a curiosity from my side...

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Ok, I will try and make a typology of expressions-roots, without however attempting any taxonomic scheme, ie without following any hierarchical structure. Pure categorization, without any judgemental view either.

Type 1: The Self-sufficient lone wolf. He is self-sufficient, period. He is disciplined. He is responsible. He is aware of the “trip” and of its difficulties. In a world of “let’s have fun and tomorrow is another day”, he is clearly too serious to be mixed with the crowd. He even has a sarcastic humour that often keeps people away. He chose the path because he is aware of the fact that he performs much better when alone. Team-work oriented should not be written under the personal features in his Resume.

Type 2: The Visioner lone wolf. He is one step in front of his time. He may mingle with the crowds, but still he remains detached, aloof. He is humanitarian but in a less personal way: he wants to help society, but not necessarily the person in front of him drowned in his small personal drama. He is by no means sentimental – he is somehow illuminated, and he may dedicate his life into a (spiritual) battle for the common good. He is the lone scientist, inventor, philosopher, thinker, poet, meant in social dimensions or in private ones (I do not mean only celebrities, I mean we all have met at a certain moment in our life such a guy or two, right?) He does not suffer his solitude; he also performs better alone because “too much to do so little time”.

Type 3: The “Abstract” lone wolf. He is so overwhelmed by his own feelings that he does not even need to express them in a concrete way. He does not verbalize feelings, he lives them. He may become the confessor of everyone around: but no-one (or really few) know what is going on inside his own soul. He meditates and knows the depth and length and width of human soul, but for himself he chooses to live in a timeless and spaceless universum. You can’t pin him down: he is too abstract. So he finishes going home with the sentimental load of others – but in most cases, alone.

Type 4: The “Transcendental” lone wolf. He does not belong here. He is so powerful that he generates awe. He may be too over-confident or lack any self confidence – few if any know what is going on inside. Everyone understands it is a matter of power, but what exactly stands behind this mask of control is hard to say. He is detached because in a way unearthly, he does not seem to recognize the debilities of the others and would under no circumstances explicitly state his own. He is not unscrupulous or whatever they accuse him: he must resolve conflicts, oppositions, power plays. Because someone must.
Lilystar, if you feel comfortable with it, you may post your chart, eg under your profile and give us the link... Grand trines normally are "easy" patterns, the energy flows so easily that nothing comes out of it unless you concentrate on it. If you have a lot of grand trines, it may be that energy is only triggered by hard aspects through transits/progressions, and the rest of the time you are too "grounded", even "reserved" (these are the first two words that come to my mind when thinking of a grand trine in earth, but this is just a generalization, everything of course depends on the chart itself...) It is the same kind of energy in a natal chart with too many trines (Sara for example has plenty of) or in a synastry with too many trines: in all charts you need a good balance between hard and soft aspects, hard aspects to give the "push" and soft aspects to give the stability and the resort where to charge batteries...
Still however, from my point of view, in all charts there is plenty to be done: you need to identify your strengths and your talents and your drawbacks (because my belief is that all aspects have both sides, just like the coins ) and concentrate on them: a grand trine in earth may for example render the individual too "grounded", but maybe this is exactly the quality you need in order to make your own successful business one nice day. It does not mean it is bad: it means you must find the correct way to channel it most effectively.
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Okay, I've uploaded my chart.
I think you could be right about my being "too grounded" Vinyasa. Maybe you'll see something that I've missed, after all I'm not exactly an expert astrologer...yet
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Lilystar -- You have a pretty cool chart. It has a kite
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML...erns.html#Kite
and a couple of squares. You should post it in the Greenhorns forum and see what the gurus have to say about it. I personally think Creativity is written all over it.
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Type 2: The Visioner lone wolf. He is one step in front of his time. He may mingle with the crowds, but still he remains detached, aloof. He is humanitarian but in a less personal way: he wants to help society, but not necessarily the person in front of him drowned in his small personal drama. He is by no means sentimental – he is somehow illuminated, and he may dedicate his life into a (spiritual) battle for the common good. He is the lone scientist, inventor, philosopher, thinker, poet, meant in social dimensions or in private ones (I do not mean only celebrities, I mean we all have met at a certain moment in our life such a guy or two, right?) He does not suffer his solitude; he also performs better alone because “too much to do so little time”.
This is such a perfect example of myself. Thank you for posting this, seems too me as-if a never ending truth about my life that I knew existed, has just been confirmed.

Many thanks

I have attached my natal chart for further referencing, feel free to comment on it and/or if you would like to ask me any questions about any of it, or about anything to do with this aspect of my personality that shapes my life really.....

Little hints; Look @ the cluster in my 9th house (philosophy, just knowing more than most, similar to a walking sage [in older times] etc), and look at the mercury in Gemini influence (Poetic, always thinking, good with words that helps my rap and music production, etc), along with the moon in scorpio (the highest highs, the lowest lows), midhaven in cancer (too much of a good thing), sun in cancer (guardian, creative, intuitive) , libra rising (seems like your best friend, even the first time you meet him), venus in gemeni (aloof, can't be 'pinned down' - thus assisting in the path of solitude, with the dominating Saturn in the third, thus reducing communication significantly (when you can't clearly communicate to the outside world, then its best you just do things yourself as you know you can if you tried hard enough), Mars in Pisces (finishing a complex task but wouldn't have the faintest idea in doing it in 'reverse') - It's just a never ending story, but i'll let you have the rest of fun in sussing out the chart if you wish, of the never ending adventurer, full of twists and sometimes very, very, 'revealing' turns on almost anything (off course including life), that would really spook your average bear...

Also, add Mercury trine Mars to the mix - someone say able to work well with others - but also as good, if not better alone?

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It does not mean it is bad: it means you must find the correct way to channel it most effectively.
Touche'

Someone able to comment about 'Leo in the 12th' aswell... ?

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This chart may be more 'accurate' for your respectable analysis.
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Okay, I've uploaded my chart.
I think you could be right about my being "too grounded" Vinyasa. Maybe you'll see something that I've missed, after all I'm not exactly an expert astrologer...yet
I am not an expert astrologer either... I can't provide with a full analysis (Cornholio is right, for this you should post in the GL and there you will receive many answers and different views...) In this thread, I try to focus on those traits which could render someone a lone-wolf...
1. astro.com gives very wide orbs... many of the lines you see in your chart now are not effective, or at least you will not sense them that much in your life...
2. you are so young, you will see how all these placements will evolve... as your planets will move (by SA) from earth into air, i think with the years you will feel like getting lighter and lighter...
3. back to the lone-wolf discussion, you have Saturn exalted and aspecting your Sun and Mercury, ie the two planets most involved with communication and self expression... you may result "heavier" from what you really are... too much earth, lack of balance in the elements... let your ruler (jupiter in leo) be playful sometimes and follow the versatility and wittiness of your mars: these two can lighten the picture...
4. do you dance? you have the legs, the strength, the musicality, the theatricality for this... it could be an idea that will "lift" you a little bit from the ground and get you mingled with people... are you in the phase of starting studies? now is the moment to be very well structured in this field, saturn just entered your 10th: the most structured you are now, the most you will be rewarded in 6-7 years from now...
don't stick yourself behind a label: life has too many options...

got to go now, i will enter later again...
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Little hints; Look @ the cluster in my 9th house (philosophy, just knowing more than most, similar to a walking sage [in older times] etc), and look at the mercury in Gemini influence (Poetic, always thinking, good with words that helps my rap and music production, etc), along with the moon in scorpio (the highest highs, the lowest lows), midhaven in cancer (too much of a good thing), sun in cancer (guardian, creative, intuitive) , libra rising (seems like your best friend, even the first time you meet him), venus in gemeni (aloof, can't be 'pinned down' - thus assisting in the path of solitude, with the dominating Saturn in the third, thus reducing communication significantly (when you can't clearly communicate to the outside world, then its best you just do things yourself as you know you can if you tried hard enough), Mars in Pisces (finishing a complex task but wouldn't have the faintest idea in doing it in 'reverse') - It's just a never ending story, but i'll let you have the rest of fun in sussing out the chart if you wish, of the never ending adventurer, full of twists and sometimes very, very, 'revealing' turns on almost anything (off course including life), that would really spook your average bear...

Also, add Mercury trine Mars to the mix - someone say able to work well with others - but also as good, if not better alone?
interesting mix, indeed i find very interesting that your asc ruler conjuncts its dispositor... very strong conjunction, also because mercury is domiciled and together with pluto they are final dispositors of your chart... and pluto on the other hand conjuncts your moon in the first... you are your thoughts, your words, your feelings, they are powerful and they are fast, be careful not to get carried away, your mars in square can cut like a knife....
but you can choose: you can choose to be light and fast, or you can choose to be deep, but then it is very deep, with pluto conj.moon in the first in nice trine to sun-chiron conj.in the ninth, and ruler of the 3rd jupiter in the 8th you can choose to comunicate the depth of feelings... pluto is pushing your sun-chiron conjunction now and saturn is squeezing your saturn-uranus conj by square in the 12th, pluto will give you an opportunity to perfect the healing by sextiling your moon so this will also come from deep inside, be careful though not to push yourself too hard because healing goes together with hurting if you are not concentrated enough...
i am not an astrologer, i learn and i see how long is the way in front of me but seems worth travelling, you seem to know your chart so well and i feel that by letting these deep feelings be creatively expressed you may reach the hearts and the minds of many... good luck, we all need creative thinkers and poets, by expressing the deepest feelings you both break the lone-wolf shell and at the same moment you cultivate the compassion of NN in Pisces in the 6th, remember you have in you the collective unconsicous of SN in 12th, you have the possibility to transcend yourself...
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I probably read it somewhere. But I cannot cite any astrologer right now.

The loner type has a strong Virgo influence. The ascendant is just a way for a non-native to be one. Another way is for your 6th house to be occupied by an outer planet.
Now, see -- this is all so interesting, but in my case I have neither a strong virgo or any 6th house planets. In my case, I have sun, mercury conjunct saturn in Scorpio in the 12th house, unless you would count mercury conjunct the sun. With my Sag rising, I am very sociable, but I spend almost all my time alone at home. In house 11 is mars conjunct neptune, which squares uranus in the 8th house - so I guess you could say that I'm uncomfortable in uranian situations - being around large groups of people. My initial interest was in the 7th house south node in gemini. I thought maybe the 12th house mercury conjunct saturn would basically neutralize a marriage. Now when I think about getting into another relationship, I get so uncomfortable even at the thought. Oh yeah Jupiter is conjunct Pluto and also square sun/saturn. As I delineate my own chart, I truly see a pattern here. What's your thoughts. Also, no planets in houses 2 through 7 at all - only chiron in 2nd.
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Sounds just like me..I have asked myself this very question before..Not sure why I prefer to be by myself..I make friends easy but keeping them is another story..I just prefer to be by myself..I can be the center of attention one night but then throw people off the next day.. I have heard people say that I confuse themAttachment 7643
Hi Sara. I don't know how many people have pointed it out to you, but I believe that 4th house pisces sun trining your saturn in cancer would make you very comfortable and home. I can see also why people would say you confuse them. Your 12th house moon conjunct uranus might contribute to people thinking your emotions are erratic. Is this the case? You probably think fast and think a lot, because this conjunction opposes Jupiter in Aries, but also squares saturn, also indicating erratic thoughts bordering on genius because it trines your mercury, but throws other people off. Also with Neptune in the first house it would be difficult for people to see the real you. Just my thoughts.
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I am a fairly dedicated loner - only two real IRL friends, and a handful of people I would consider friends online. Mostly, I am content with the arrangement, though I occasionally wish for a wider net of human resources in times of crisis...but when I have had this, and attempted to branch out, I tend to find that I become exhausted and drift away.

This is probably due to my Saturn in Scorpio in 11H, which is also my chart ruler (Cap. AC) and an Aquarius moon. I am a Gemini Sun with a very powerful Mercury (Mercury is in its native sign, in its triplicity, in the face and term of Jupiter in its house of joy and trine Jupiter). With that arrangement, I literally write and communicate constantly - I spend all day, most days writing and hanging around on the internet - while simultaneously being a complete hermit

Most of my significant planets are in the 6H, with the rest spread through the 10th - 12th. The Moon and Jupiter are conjunct in 2H. My life is really dedicated to work and service of the writerly variety.

Physical company is very wearing. Going out to clubs/parties leaves me feeling hungover, even though I don't drink. However, I fear being completely alone in the world - I could not be happy if I had no one at all.

I would say, in general, that Saturn in Scorpio lends itself easily to introversion. A strong 12H or Pisces, Pisces in the 9H (indicating possible monastic tendancies). The Earth and Water signs, in particular, express a need for withdrawal - I think that any preponderance of these would indicate a tendency towards introversion.

A lot of Air sign people I have known maintain a sort of inner detatchment. My own lone-wolfiness is probably due to the combination of powerful Earth and Air.

One of the most introverted people I know has an Aquarius stellium and a bundle chart (all planets in tight conjunction in 3 or fewer houses) in 1H and 2H.
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Hi PaxMercurius,

I like you have Cap rising and Saturn(on MC) in Scorpio and many water and earth in my chart, with one fire planet(Uranus) and one air(Jupiter - the apex planet of a t-square). I think lone wolf syndrome is connected with Saturn...... not only but the connection is obvious....

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...so I would like to find at least 3 indications in the same chart:

* elevated Saturn in the chart (by sign or by house disposition)
* Saturn as ruler of 5th or 7th
* Saturn elevated + aspecting Moon by trine/sextile
* Jupiter in Capricorn and/or in the 12th
* Mercury in Sagittarius and Venus in Capricorn or Aquarius
* Grand Trine in water signs

How has your search panned out? Did many people who fit the above "rule of 3"?

Re: the 7th house, my 7th house ruler is in the 12th conj Sat (1). Only trine in my chart is from 1st house moon trine Jup/Pluto in 9th. Re: 5th house ruler, it is Mars conj Neptune in 11th in Libra and squaring an 8th house Uranus -- so partnerships are somewhat erratic. I do see your pattern - albeit not in the order you're requesting. What I've noticed most however is the relationship with Saturn in 12th, planets in the 4th and lots of Scorpio activity. You only note Merc in Sag or Jup in Cap, but I have Sag rising with Venus conjunct ascendant, north node and moon -- all in the first house and I have been told that I am too "self-contained" for a relationship. However, Jup is chart ruler and square Sat. from 9th and Sun is 9th house ruler in 12 conj Sat. (so that might explain part of your Jup/Cap theory (2)). Only stressful aspect to venus is a semisquare to 11th house Neptune (which might suggest Uranian energy-see above square (3?)). When I was younger, I dated two people at a time and it seemed to fit. Once I decided to settle down with one, I ended up with none. I do get lonely sometimes - I think all humans do, but overall I prefer my solitude. When I'm dating, I must have personal space and time to exist without interference, questions or dealing with insecurities, even if we're in the same house. Without it I become unbalanced. I thought most of that was due to the stellium in Sag rising, but with Mars conj Neptune in Libra and the 12th house planets, it's hard to know. Saturn is 33 deg (semi-sextile) Moon. Anyway, you seem to be on the right track, but not considering all the possibilities.

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