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It is the same in my country. The socialist and fascist governments have altered history in a way that only reflects what they want you to think.

I'm from Argentina, and one of the best examples is regarding the Falkland Islands -
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For the last 100 years, socialists and populists have used the Falkland Islands claim and manipulated history to exalt patriotism and nationalism in our youth, even driving our country into a suicidal war for them. Almost every single person in my country was manipulated into believing that the Islands belong to us, and hundreds of young soldiers were sent to their deaths for this reason.

PS: By the way, what I just written would be considered highly anti-patriotic in my country.

I had no idea. How tragic. Thanks for sharing.

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Biden seems to be considering picking a woman for his running mate. What's your take on Amy Klobuchar, since she's no longer running for President, and has thrown her support to his candidacy?

Amy Klobuchar has a lot to offer, but . . . if the question is can she gain votes for Biden, then I would have to pass on her and Spartacus and Beto and Pocahontas and etc. and stick with X22Report's Dave's predictions that Michelle Obama will be the running mate. She is well-liked, has poise, a pleasant demeanor, she's intelligent, well educated, has good fundraising connections, good stage presence and she's a mom. I think a lot of people connect with her, people who might be political fence sitters, and who might vote for Biden solely on account of her being his running mate.

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It is possible that the $600,000 which I recall paid by the DNC to Bernie may have been restitution to Bernie's supporters even though the Court did not order it be paid and I find no evidence of it being paid; however I distinctly recall reading something about a pay out to Bernie, but I don't recall the source nor have I found it referenced anywhere.

More then likely, just a rumor started by the DNC management team would be my guess. I think these types of hateful rumors will start once again, based on pure fiction when Biden/Sanders are now counting the remaining delegate votes from the remaining States.



The DNC is by and large run by corporate America, and have long standing ties to Wall Street and its bankers, the Health Industry as a whole and corporate Billionaires. There is much riding on Biden in this election.
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More then likely, just a rumor started by the DNC management team would be my guess. I think these types of hateful rumors will start once again, based on pure fiction when Biden/Sanders are now counting the remaining delegate votes from the remaining States.



The DNC is by and large run by corporate America, and have long standing ties to Wall Street and its bankers, the Health Industry as a whole and corporate Billionaires. There is much riding on Biden in this election.
Interesting that there was a large DOW gain right when Biden did so well.
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Interesting that there was a large DOW gain right when Biden did so well.
Well it stabilised on monday though, before super tuesday.

But, while I don't like Biden, he is certainly a more stable candidate for the economy. Biden isn't against free markets and does not promote the level socialism Bernie does.
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The Republicans may have gone on the attack against Biden too early, and tipped their hand as to how they will disparage his character. It's mostly about his son, and the way he helped Hunter using his office of Vice-president. Trump helps his family also, even giving family members positions in the White House.

Hillary was the main reason why a lot of normally Democratic voters opted for Trump, and he doesn't have her to kick around for the upcoming Election. Many anti-Trump voters don't like Biden, but that won't dissuade them when it comes to removing Trump from office. And, like you say, Biden isn't all that objectionable to conservative voters in the Democratic party, who refused to support Hillary.
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Interesting that there was a large DOW gain right when Biden did so well.
Well . . . I'm not sure when "when" refers to. If "when" refers to Super Tuesday, 3/3/2020, the DOW was higher at 12:15 AM than it was that evening at 11:45PM.
At 12:15 AM the Dow was 26,460; at 11:45 PM it was down 246 points to 26,214.

Maybe "when" is when the DOW peaked this week, which was yesterday, 3/4/2020 at 4:00 PM when it topped at around 26,980.

Today, 3/5/2020 at 2:18 PM the DOW was down at 26,111 and falling.

The 5-month high appears to be on February 12, 2020 with the DOW at 29,504. Compared to today at 2:18 PM EST today the DOW had lost 3,393 points since February 12th. (29,504 - 26,111 = 3,393)

The stock market is manipulated. To explain it fully I would have to be an economist, which I'm not. I do listen to experts though. My understanding is that those who have power to manipulate the market are the banksters (Central Banks e.g. the Rothschilds*) and insiders who have financial power to buy and sell in large quantities, and the Federal Reserve through raising and lowering the interest rate and by quantitative easing.

Source of DOW chart: Yahoo Finance - https://yhoo.it/2x6vAGu
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Right. Should have said "just after". But, there were other explanations. There are always "reasons" given.
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Right. Should have said "just after". But, there were other explanations. There are always "reasons" given.

Say "when" -
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Do you feel older but wiser?
Now that you mention it . . . My birthday is Saturday!


I'm perpetually 34 in my mind. Wiser? Not with Neptune cruising between my Moon and North Node and Jupiter. I feel SO CONFUSED!!!! much of the time.
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I think you mentioned that he was down on tropical though, because it's more mundane than spiritual?
No, Edgar said that they are out of sync. It is the Sidereal positions that are the only valid ones for understanding ones natal horoscope, as to Sign placement and what those Signs impart. I also wouldn't go using the present ascribed attributes for any Sign, that adapting adherence to the Sidereal Zodiac would then have anything in your natal chart moved to, as for my belief that most of the present beliefs/ascribed attributes of the Signs were likely all formulated the last 500 to 1000 years and that they are the correct descriptions/attributes for those Signs they believed they were ascribing them to.
Although if they were all set at , let's say 1000 years ago in 1000 A.D., then it would now only be correct as to ascribing those qualities to the first 15 degrees of any Sign, if in the last 500 years, then only correct to the first 22 or 23 degrees of any Sign. Keep in mind that natal astrology is considered to be a recent invention by the "Traditionalists", conjured up by the Theosophists mostly, if not entirely... depending on who of the "Traditionalists" you ask... So the ascribed attributes given for natal astrology could be a lot more recent than that I gave as examples for the sake of explanation.
Thus just about the entire Sign of Libra may be the true possessor of all the attributes and qualities ascribed to the Sign Scorpio.
As it s believed that Scorpio is that Sign of the Zodiac that perceives the Universe through it's awareness of its sexuality, as it is a known fact that a dying biological organism's last automatic physical compulsion is to reproduce, then if Libra is actually the true 1th and last Sign of the Zodiac, and not Pisces, wouldn't it then make sense that it is Libra and not Scorpio that those attributes presently ascribed to Scorpio rightful
ly belong to the Sign Libra?
Before you answer in return, I feel that I should remind you that I have an Asc. in Scorpio, and I was born on the same day of the Month as Sigmund Freud, whom also has an Asc. in Scorpio, but My natal Sun is directly opposite my Asc.... I understand Freud better than He understood himself.
Had he still been alive when I came up with my present model of the arrangement/explanation of the Zodiac {see; "A Runic Explanation f the Zodiac"] in which I explain that there are Six femine Signs and Six male, just as is currently believed, but that only half of the feminine are of negative polarity and only half of the male of positive polarity. The rpolarity is reversed for the opposite Signs. Thus there are three positive polarity Feminine Signs, and three negative Polarity Masculine Signs...and when you consult the natal positions of both Venus and Mars in an individuals chart...as one truly must in order to understand anyones' basic sexuality... although Venus does hold more as to the womaen, and Mars to the men, yo then realize that there are quite a number of different possible outcomes in combinations ... a lot more than just the few that Freud believed.

The reason Libra is symbolically represented by those Scales, has very little, if anything to do with "balancing", and especially not for any reason that it is the "middle Sign", because, it ISN"T THE MIDDLE SIGN as to matters of spriitual . As to the mundane, yes, as to the spiritual, NO.
At the end of ones life, their karma is weighed... some sects of Christianity believe in a Day of Judgement, when all past actions are "weighed".
I was thinking about starting another thread in which to place the following, that I spent most of last night and almost all of today, so far, having written... but, it is also relevant to your question...and actually it began as my answer to that question...
I might do both, post it here, and begin a new thread with it in the Degree Symbols sub-form...

It's a bit of length, you may want to get good an comfortable if you plan on reading it all.
I do recommend reading it all, though...or at least skimming ones way through it entirely... those not interested in the Sabian Symbols, or have no belief in their validity, need not trouble themselves. [but those that haven't a self convincing reason to not believe in them really should read the following... imho... I only wish I was a more articulate writer}

I'll begin this post again , at this point, by quoting David's query:
Let's make that in the following post to this one, okay?
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I think you mentioned that he was down on tropical though, because it's more mundane than spiritual?
He never said anything supportive about the use of the Tropical Zodiac, that I can recall.
I only use it to make reference to the Sabian Symbols because the Sabian Symbols, as far as I can tell to date, have always been affixed to the Tropical Zodiac but only in reference. As they are influences that are definitely not affixed to the stars and constellations but, rather, the influence of the Sun upon the earth.
As to why the Sabian Symbol for Aries 01* is always the Sabian Symbol for the Sun when the Spring Equinox is achieved [the moment it is, the Sun is then considered to be at 00* 00' 01"] because that is the emergence of new life and that is what the precept that is the symbolism of the Sabian for the 1st degree of Aries is entirely about While it is the Vernal Equinox in the Southern Hemisphere is something I have no explanation for as yet.

Might it be that as for anyone born in the Southern Hemisphere that the reference to the Sabians should then be shifted 180 degrees? I don't know, it does make sense but I've only studied a few natal charts of notable persons born in the Southern Hemisphere and to blunt, they weren't notable enough as to where any great amount was written about them, or at least not to my knowledge, nor had I any knowledge of their existence at all until I began such a search... and I also don't personally know anyone born in the Southern Hemisphere.

As to giving any different interpretation to a natal chart, for that of a human or a nation, that only involves switching the role of the M.C. with that of the I.C. That is the role of the M.C. as to the interpretation of the chart axis, i.e the Asc., Desc., I.C., and M.C., which represents symbolically as to "WHY" the transformation from "WHO" that person is, which is symbolically revealed by the Sabian Symbol found for the Sign and deree of the natal chart Ascendant, to that of "WHERE-TO", which in turn is symbolically revealed by the Sabian Symbol found for the Descendant, "HOW" the transformation is to be accomplished is, in turn itself revealed symbolically by the Sabian Symbol found for the Sign and degree of the I.C. What that all amounts to is an interpretation of a natal chart as to that individuals'mundane affairs ... and for most people that's probably enough, as that's all they concern themselves with their entire life. It's all that Rudhyar illustrated by explanation in his book on the Sabian Symbols, specifically in the chapter of that book titled, "The Cross And The Star".

I find it to be both stupefying and frustrating that after nearly 12 years of writing at this forum that you other members still haven't gotten yourselves a copy of and read Dane's book on the Sabian Symbols.
"As Dane wrote in that chapter, [I am providing the following under section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, of the United States of America, in which, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, education and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. The following is an excerpt from the book "An Astrological Mandala The Cycle Of Transformation And Its 360 Symbolic Phases", by Dane Rudhyar, Random House Inc., New York, 1973]

"The cross formed by the horizon and the Meridian - the axes of consciousness and power - has given rise to varied interpretations at several levels of meaning. When we are dealing with the Sabian Symbols and their interpretation in terms of cyclic process, we have to give a somewhat special but highly significant meaning to the two ends of the axis of consciousness. Consciousness results from activity, even if we have to realize that the character of this activity, in its creative aspect, depends upon a prior, but transcendent aspect of germination that is the starting point of activity in the vegetable kingdom brings out what is latent in the seed. Every action can be said to come out of some kind of seed; at the highest metaphysical level the universal seed is Space* *[During periods of existential cosmic 'manifestation'. Space is extended in many dimensions because there are a great many levels of cosmic activity. But in terms of 'non-manifestation', Space can be said to have withdrawn inward in the dimensional mathematical point.]
Universal space has often been symbolized by an ocean, an infinite ocean of potentiality. In the Sabian set of symbols, the emergence of activity - and therefore of consciousness, as consciousness is implied in this activity - is represented by the Aries 01* symbol, because Aries 01* represents the beginning of a cycle of activity. A new form"of existence is emerging, surrounded by the karma of the past [the seal embracing the woman]. In the subsequent symbols we see this activity gaining objectivity [2*], gaining a deep intuition of its wholeness [3*], achieving a feeling for the polarized energies on which it depends in order to operate [4*], and revealing a latent capacity to transcend its nature[5* the triangle with wings].This emergence leads to a condition in which the creative impulse, after having passed through many maturing experiences, finds itself essentialized in the full revelation of the archetypal Seed-form that had called it into being for a particular purpose.
This archetypal form is symbolized by the perfect "butterfly" of the Libra 01* symbol. The form is perfect. The conscious mind, on the basis of the revelation of the archetype, is able to participate in a group as an equal among equals, because it has had the 'vision' of its inherent archetypal perfection. .... Libra has little to do with 'balance - a most superficial interpretation of th symbol of the Scales - but it refers to the realization of ones' value in terms of ones' place and function in a larger community."

As Dane implied a number of times in various writings that the "path of true discipleship begins in Virgo" I was eventually able to see what he was trying to convey, too get us to see for ourselves...as for some reason or purpose, I've yet to understand... He wouldn't, and didn't [not to my knowledge, anyways] ever come out and just say it. That "it" being that the Esoteric astrologers of the Theosophists' had it partially correct, in that on should follow the Zodiac in a clockwise direction through the Signs, but not from Aries 1* as the starting point, at least not for this process of cyclic transformation and its 360 phases, but rather from Virgo 30* and culminating with Libra 01*.

As the symbol for Libra 01* is [ibid.] IN A COLLECTION OF PERFECT SPECIMENS OF MANY BIOLOGICAL FORMS, A BUTTERFLY DISPLAYS THE BEAUTY OF ITS WINGS, ITS BODY IMPALED BY A FINE DART" [.and Dane notes in the text of his analysis and summation for the symbolism found in the Sabian for Libra 01*, that this represents the beginning of the Autumnal cycle, i.e. the Fall equinox, the symbolic time of the harvest, and that it is a time consecrated to the seed, just as the Spring equinox is consecrated to the germ, the new rise of life which in-forms the growth of individual organisms. It's at this Autumnal point that the drive toward individualization and self assertion loses its momentum and a fresh impetus arises, that toward a collective of individuals but it is even more than that, as it also has a much deeper meaning, and also, an inner source of power. What is the divine precept here that is ordained is not merely a collective of individuals, the core purpose is the 'descent', or externalization, of archetypal realities is now gradually beginning.. The symbolism here is about a "perfect form"... the result of the metamorphosis of a worm into a butterfly a symbolic process given so as for the purpose that the possibility also exists for all humankind that we can become more than just a biological human, but also transformed into a trans-humanal being, a true Initiate, an Adept, the Perfected Being. Dane noted that Marc Edmond Jones mimeographed course, in which He first learned of the existence of the Sabian Symbols that marc re-ascertained with the assistance of the clairvoyant, Elsie Wheeler, that Marc had it for the symbolism of the first degree of Libra that, [ibid.]"the perfect butterfly is impaled by a fine dart; the symbol of 'dart of wisdom'", while the original notation of what Elsie said she saw was [ibid.]"a butterfly made perfect by a dart trough it"\', suggesting a process of perfection through sacrifice." Dane then commented, [ibid.] "As I see it, the dart can hardly be said to have made the butterfly perfect, but it keeps it perfect by killing the living organism. The impaled butterfly is preserved by the dart which 'fixes' it in perfection for a whole cycle, i.e. it makes an archetype of it. By thus escaping the normal process of dying and decay, the butterfly form [the 'perfection'] is kept. It is kept in the mystical Shamballah, where it is said that the Pattern of Man is kept, just as the perfect bar measuring exactly one meter is [or was] kept in a crypt in Paris, where the metric system was originally devised. The perfect butterfly thus represents the outcome of the process of occult discipleship symbolized by the Sign Virgo. From then on, a new process begins, that of collectivization; at the very core of that new process the perfect Form of Man must remain as a standard of value if this process is to be valid and meaningful.

As Dane wrote for his summation of his presentation and analysis of the Sabian Symbol for the 1st degree of Libra [ibid.]
"This is the first statement in the thirteenth scene of the great ritual drama. It is an actional phase because in it the perfection of individual activity is revealed and immortalized. This is the symbolical Transfiguration; at the Mount of Transfiguration, Jesus, the Son of Man, was 'impaled' by the ray of Divine Light, making of him a Son of God. It was at this very moment that he learned of the Crucifixion awaiting him. Thus the merely human individual is MADE SACRED, becoming the pure embodiment of an archetype." ...and Dane's "Keynote" synopsis of the Sabian for the 1st degree of Libra is given as [ibid.] " The immortal archetypal reality that a perfect and dedicated life reveals."

You may have noticed that Dane wrote that the symbolism of the 1st degree of Libra is the result of [ibid.] "the outcome of the process of occult discipleship symbolized by the Sign Virgo. From then on a new process begins..." Well, it seems to me that if a new process of cyclic transformation begins in Virgo that it would last a lot longer, that it would take more than just 30 phases to reach a state of perfection. Yeshu'a/Jesus was born with Libra 01* as His Asc., He was born with that as his awareness, that He was born in perfected form [because of the unique set of Divinely ordained circumstances that He was born as a Son to the woman whom was the physical manifestation of the other half of His own soul, Miriam/Mary [as Edgar Cayce explained is the only was by which a virgin birth can produce a male child, is that the child must possess the other, the "masculine' half, of the mothers' own soul. As Miriam/Mary, was herself born by virgin birth to her mother, in turn, 'Hannah/Anne, there may be a bit more as to how that can occur, or why it had to in particular for the incarnation of that soul that was Yeshu'a/Jesus. That Pluto was also in the first degree of Libra and thereby conj. His Asc. is of profound significance [and also why there was such a clandestine, and so obviously near desperate also, attempt by some individual within the I.A.U. to denigrate Pluto by reducing its status in the hope of dissuading folks from taking this natal chart of his seriously. That move by the I.A.U. was pulled off during the first conference they had immediately after I was was given an hour to presnt my discovery and findings on a nationally transmitted radio program, the previous December 22nd, in 2005.] The Moon was in the 30th degree of Virgo when He was born, and just over 12 degrees from an exact oppostion at the time of birth, therefore in just a little over 24 hours away from being a Full Moon and had already rising on the horizon, thereby obfuscating Pluto's influence and modifying it in someway. As many of you should know, already realize, that the Moon always appears to be at its largest and brightest the night before and the night after the full Moon. If you can't understand the phenomena, stand in front of a mirror with a flashlight and then switch it on and point the flashlight dirctly at the mirror so as to make the light reflect back at you directly along the same path. Now do the same holding the flashlight away from you and from an angle make its light reflect directly at you. You'll notice that you are getting a lot more light hitting your person than by the other means of doing it.As I have concluded that there is very likely something to do with Pluto's return to Libra 01* after 108 orbits around the Sun [which takes apprx. somewhere between 26,600 and 26,800 years, which is very close to in the number of years by Sri Yuketeswar's estimate, the measure in years of one complete Great Yuga presented in His book "The Holy Science", published in 1890, and in which atomic structure of atoms is also described which was some years before Western scientist were able to construct a basic model of the structure of an atom and some 42 years before Western science got their basic model correct. Sri Yukteswar got his information from the ancient Vedas. From wikipedia, the following: "Sri Yukteswar’s introduction to The Holy Science includes his explanation of the Yuga Cycle which differs from the traditional position because of his premise that the earth is now in the age of Dwapara Yuga, not the Kali Yuga that most Indian pundits believe to be the current age. His theory is based on the idea that the sun 'takes some star for its dual and revolves round it in about 24,000 years of our earth – a celestial phenomenon which causes the backward movement of the equinoctial points around the zodiac.' The common explanation for this celestial phenomenon is precession, the ‘wobbling’ rotating movement of the earth axis. Research into Sri Yukteswar’s explanation is being conducted by the Binary Research Institute.

He further states that:

The sun also has another motion by which it revolves round a grand center called Vishnu-Naabhi which is the seat of the creative power Brahma, the universal magnetism. Brahma regulates Dharma the mental virtues of the internal world. When the sun in its revolution round its dual come to the place nearest to this grand center the seat of Brahma {an event which takes place when the autumnal equinox comes to the first point of Aries} Dharma the mental virtue becomes so much developed that man can easily comprehend all, even the mysteries of Spirit.

In The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar concludes that we are currently in the beginning stages of Dwapara Yuga, which began around 1699 A.D., moving closer to the grand center, and will pass into Treta Yuga around the year 4099 A.D.

If we represent the Yugas in a clock, the lowest spiritual time would be at 6 o'clock, approx. year 550 A.D., which is the center of Kali Yuga {more or less the Middle Ages}, and the highest point is 12 o'clock, in the center of Satya Yuga {literally Age of Truth, as sat=truth}, or Golden Age. It takes approx. 12,000 years from the lowest to the highest point, and about 24,000 in a complete turn. Now we would be at approx. 7 c'clock, ascending in Dwapara Yuga or Bronze Age which started in 1699."] I also believe that there may be cycles consisting of mulitples of 666 years and 888 years, as when 666 is multiplied by 4, the result is the same as that of 888 multiplied by 3, i.e. 2644, and thus I believe that we may eventually find that the true time in years for the completion of one Great Yuga to be ten times that amount, i.e. 26,440 years. When I first came up with the theory, regarding cycles of 666 and 888 years, I thought that they must be planetary and were the orbits of yet to be discovered planets orbiting our Sun. I've since come to a nother theory that they might very likely be cyclles of conjunctions. I was told, some years ago, the the "Saros" has a cycle at, or very near to, in years 666 for its completion. I began some research on that some years ago, but it has been shelved for quite some time, so long in fact that I'll probably have to begin afresh as I likely won't understand my own notes after such a length of time. Venus and the Sun, for an example, take 1200 years to complete their cycle of conjunctions during which span of time the Sun and Venus in those conjunctions complete the ascribing of every possible pentagram one could make from the 360 degrees of the Zodiac, i.e. all 72 of them. Rudolf Steiner predicted that the soul that had been Parsival [piercethevale] would return just before the new millennium as a 1200 year cycle will have been completed of those Sun Venus conjunctions by the time of his re-birth in the 20th century. So, apparently there is a connection between astrological/astronomical cycles and periods of re-incarnations. That of the avatars, has something to do with Pluto and the first degree of Libra. I figure that the theory of the creation of the planets [the Thelma Mundi, I believe, the some ancients tabled that event as?] as having been all spewed forth from our Sun at once, that from a heliocentric viewpoint, those planets were all aligned toward the first degree of Libra, and as any act of creation by God is an act of perfection, it is only when that perfect position is again occupied by Pluto, "THE PLANET OF DEATH AND TRANSFORMATION" ...yes, I did intentionally write PLUTO THE PLANET, because it most certainly is a PLANET, and recently discovered to be a binary Planet, as well, which means its field of point of origin of its influence is much larger than that of the planet Mars or Venus, in fact it is more than half the diameter of Jupiter or i 1/2 times the diameter of Uranus, as the distance to Charon, to Pluto' sbarycenter is about 47,000 miles.] I've really digressed here, so getting back to the question of as to why there are two ways to interpret a natal chart axis that involves switching the roles of the I.C. and the M.C., i.e. the two points of the meridian that symbolically represent the "HOW" and the "WHY", of the transformation from that of the "WHO" at the Asc. to that of the "WHERE-TO" at the Desc. As the 30th degree of Virgo has as it's Sabian Symbol the following, perhaps some of you, those that are on paths of discipleship, or have attempted it at some time in your life, or even just are familar with such paths from having studied the subject, read of it, what ever...
[ibid.]
"VIRGO 30°: TOTALLY INTENT UPON COMPLETING AN IMMEDIATE TASK, A MAN IS DEAF TO ANY ALLUREMENT.
KEYNOTE:
The total concentration required for reaching any spiritual goal.
This is the final symbol of the first half of the cycle. In the year cycle the fall equinox is now at hand; autumn begins. Through spring and summer many ways and byways have been experienced. The last message of this hemicycle of 'Individualization' is that on all decisive occasions what must be done has to be done so intently that no outer voices can penetrate the mind, still less the soul. The neophyte stands at the gates of the sacred Pyramid. There is only one step he can take — ahead, or he is lost.
This is the culminating step, the decision that results from a myriad of small choices. Still a shadow of hesitation can remain. Attention may be distracted from the Now by a voice from the past, glamorizing some old memory. The outer doors of perception and thought must be closed, so the soul can complete its CONQUEST OF ILLUSION."

Can you understand what is implied here? That this is the first step on a path of true discipleship. The Guru doesn't tolerate any that don't give rapt attention, otherwise they expell you from class instantly... they don't like to waste their time.
It is the beginning of the CONQUEST OF ILLUSION, i.e MAYA, and thus the first of the 360 cyclic symbolic phases that leads one out of the illusion, from being entrapped in the material realm. and that which culminates with Libra 01*, i.e. attaining perfect archetypal form. When one begins at Aries 01*, they culminate at Pisces 30* [ibid.]

"PISCES 30°: A MAJESTIC ROCK FORMATION RESEMBLING A FACE IS IDEALIZED BY A BOY WHO TAKES IT AS HIS IDEAL OF GREATNESS, AND AS HE GROWS UP, BEGINS TO LOOK LIKE IT.
KEYNOTE:
The power of clearly visualized ideals to mold the life of the visualizer.
Nathaniel Hawthorne's story "The Great Stone Face" is used here in an allegorical sense to show the capacity for self-transformation latent in man. This power can be developed through visualization, when the emotions and the will are poured into the visualized mental image. At the highest spiritual-cosmic level this is the power used by the God-like Beings at the close of a cosmic cycle in projecting the basic Formula (the Word) which will start a new universe. In a biological sense, it is the power latent in all seeds — the power to produce and guide the growth of the future plant. A most fitting symbol for the last phase of the cyclic process. Within the end of the cycle the seed of a new beginning exists in potency — unless the entire cycle has proven to be a failure.
This is the last stage of the last scene of the great ritual play of cyclic transformations. It brings to us a realization of the power of archetypes as factors conditioning life processes. Thus we could use as a final Keyword: ARCHETYPALIZATION."

Yeah, thus we cold, but we won't... as for the reason...do I have to draw anyone a picture?
To visualize it while desiring it so intently, the aspirant becoes it in rock, i.e. Rock, dense matter of the material realm. r.e. Trapped in the Illusion,,, not the CONQUEST OF THE iLLUSION.

ONE PATH IS OF THE MUNDANE, THE OTHER IS OF A PATH TO SPIRITUAL EVOLUTION.
As one proceeds from Aries 01* through the 360 Symbolic Phases, they naturally go from the Asc. through the I.C. before they reach the opposite point at Libra 01*... and the answer therein lies as to how one is to proceed onward to the Desc. It is not unit after that has been accomplished that the understanding as to WHY it had to be and be done in such a way is revealed, is understood.
When one proceeds from an Asc. at Libra 01*, following the cycle of phases of symbols in order to achieve a spiritual transformation, one follows them in the reverse order and thus naturally that passes through the M.C., instead of the I.C., and tus there-in at the M.C. lies the answer as to HOW one then achieves that transformation from WHO to WHERE-TO, and in that cyclic process the answer to "HOW" then is of Career, or of ones base of operations regarding society, that of ones responsibilities before the world. In a mundane chart the 10th House rules the executive branch of government, people in high positions of governmental power, and established government hierarchies of power in general. It is said that for one to find their natal Part of Fortune conjunct their own mid haven, is most auspicious. As I have pointed out that the Part of Fortune really is about how one may best produce the most fortuitous circumstance by which to complete their dharma, to achieve their destiny, then it should be easy to understand why it is so auspicious to have it there... when you use the spiritual evolutionary cyclic process found on your natal chart, the "HOW" of that process of transformation then becomes one with one career and, or, their responsibilities before the world... Life path, Spiritual path, and career path, all become one...
Groovy, isn't it?
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Well . . . I'm not sure when "when" refers to. If "when" refers to Super Tuesday, 3/3/2020, the DOW was higher at 12:15 AM than it was that evening at 11:45PM.
At 12:15 AM the Dow was 26,460; at 11:45 PM it was down 246 points to 26,214.

Maybe "when" is when the DOW peaked this week, which was yesterday, 3/4/2020 at 4:00 PM when it topped at around 26,980.

Today, 3/5/2020 at 2:18 PM the DOW was down at 26,111 and falling.

The 5-month high appears to be on February 12, 2020 with the DOW at 29,504. Compared to today at 2:18 PM EST today the DOW had lost 3,393 points since February 12th. (29,504 - 26,111 = 3,393)

The stock market is manipulated. To explain it fully I would have to be an economist, which I'm not. I do listen to experts though. My understanding is that those who have power to manipulate the market are the banksters (Central Banks e.g. the Rothschilds*) and insiders who have financial power to buy and sell in large quantities, and the Federal Reserve through raising and lowering the interest rate and by quantitative easing.

Source of DOW chart: Yahoo Finance - https://yhoo.it/2x6vAGu
*Whoever owns the banks controls the money. Whoever controls the money rules the world.
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Quite right you are. The stock market is far easier to manipulate than most people want to believe or admit.
The mother of the Rothschild's once said, so I am told, "If my boys didn't want anymore wars, there would be no more wars."

I have strong suspicion that the reason behind the mortgage failures, economic meltdown, of 2008 was deliberately planned and executed in order to, hopefully, destroy the Cal/PERS [the California State employees' pension fund] It is a private fund that was originally created by a few State employees that thought it to be better for them to pool their investments for retirement together, so has to have more diversification and thus more resilience, as for the obvious reason that "too many eggs in one basket" is not sound advice when it comes to financial investment.
Eventually more and more units of State employees joined in until it became what it presently is. Along the way, over the course of time, concessions were made by the employees, towards their employers, to allow the employers to save money by not having to concede as much towards salary increase by allowing them to contribute that expected money directly into their retirement fund, thus saving the employer money because it is not taxed before it is put in. So,, for example, instead of having to give an employee another dollar in that raise, the gov't could put 80 cents into the fund.

This, unfortunately, became an excuse for some devious members of gov't to claim that the fund is the States money, as they also try to do, and seem to get away with, Social Security. But Social Security is different as it is a gov't program that they control and run, even though it's mostly our money that they put into it.. if not all.

Governor Pete Wilson, a Republican, asked Cal/PERS if He could borrow, as I recall, around 50 million dollars during an economic shortfall in the State's budget back in the early '90's. They loaned it to Him, but when the note became due, the governor refused to repay it, claiming it to be the States' money, anyways. The Court told him otherwise, and He did have to, and did in fact so, repay it. [of all the units invested in the Cal/PERS fund, the Judges of the State of Calif. went for the most lucrative, but also the highest risk bearing investments, they have the most underfunded pensions among all the civil employees of the State... they aren't about to let anyone mess with their pension money, as it is the rest of the units investments that are keeping them in the $$$. My unit is in the soundest, yet lowest yielding, fund... slow and steady is fine by me.
When I was forced to retire in May of 2000 due to on the job injuries, the fund was "over-funded", hey fund had $1.25 for every dollar that had been invested to date, a bit more in fact, as I recall. At the time the fund had a bit over 180 billion dollars and a lot of that that was invested in the stock market. That amounts to a lot of clout in corporate boardrooms... and some people in those board rooms don't like that..

The pension fund had no sooner gotten itself someone new in the position of investing that money, that they bought a lot of those bundled mortgages, which soon after suddenly went sour... that person was fired, eventually but that $1.25 to every $1.00 was left at [I think it was...but I'm close enough, if not one hundred percent accurate] around 55 cents to every dollar. It's now around 70 to 75 cents to every dollar , and still climbing.
But, I'd like to point out that when Arnold Schwarzenegger [however his name is supposed to be spelled, and I don't care enough to look it up, **** him.] became the governor of California, his first act was to have Cal/PERS abolished and all monies distributed back to the employees as for them to create their own investments, claiming that the fund, just as like Pete Wilson did, is a State created and owned fund. Again, the courts had to straighten the governor out..another Republican, too. Arnold just shrugged his shoulders as if to say to someone waiting in the wings, "Well... I tired."... He was obviously in some sort of indebtedness, or beholding, to some very powerful people.

Had Bush gotten his way when He tried to have Social Security abolished and the money distributed among those that had paid into it so as they could invest it themselves... and his claim that everyone would be better off because they could do it more wisely than the gov't... please recall that was just shortly before the Dot Com bust, and a ot of folks might have lost everything.... they tried again just before the 2008 meltdown...

They managed to hit the Cal/PERS fund pretty hard, but not hard enough so as to where it collapsed>

Those powers you speak of haven;t the least bit of interest towards your, or my, or anyone elses' financial security, least of all retirement... they want us impoverished, and especially want the "middle class" done away with. They want everyone to be willing, and eager, to do what they say and when.
They don't want a lot of retired people sitting around, o r traveling, enjoying some idle years... to them they are nothing but "feeders", non-productive people that don't do anything to contribute to their own increase in wealth nor to their affluence, either. They want you to die as soon as you retire.

There was a great man, a wonderful man, that held political office in the U.S.A. back in the 1930's and 1940's, and was even F.D.R.'s vice president His third term, replacing the one that resigned... his name was Henry A. Wallace, He was a man of the people, a "Populist" by some that have labeled his political ideology.
He could have been, would have been, and should have been, the president after F.D.R. died and Had he been, the world today would be far different than it is now. For one thing, He would have never used the atomic bomb on Japan, for one reason, that their was never a need to. The result of that, and Truman's known attitude towards the Soviet Union is what sparked the arms race, the cold war, likely the Korean war and the one in Vietnam as well. The military Industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about in his farewell speech would have been dismantled and kept from reassembling, there wouldn't have been assassinations, racial riots, etc. etc. etc. and no 9/11, no Reagan, No Bush's, no Clinton's, no Obama, and certainly no Trump, to have ever sat in the Oval office, since the end of W.W. II.
Read up about the man, and how "THEY" ruined him...
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Now that you mention it . . . My birthday is Saturday!


I'm perpetually 34 in my mind. Wiser? Not with Neptune cruising between my Moon and North Node and Jupiter. I feel SO CONFUSED!!!! much of the time.

Happy Birthday early Cecile! Hope your Solar Return is a good one...
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i SAVED this one from years ago.....very interesting indeed probably should be on the ? Traditional Astrology Philosophy boards?


Seems this is a wider site then just this page:
http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/aap...astrology5.htm
I regret my having taken so long to reply to this post. I wanted to thoroughly read the page at he link you provided and I also have had a very"full plate before me", so to speak, of personal matters of family, friends, landlord issues, economic issues [enough bills to have piled up as to where I'm now almost considering getting a dhoti and a beggars bowl. shaving my head, and finding a comfortable cave in which to reside.
Well, truth is, it's not nearly that bad, not yet anyways, but it was headed towards that fate if I didn't start devoting more of my time to certain mundane affairs.


So, I read the page at the link. It is interesting, but I think it to be somewhat misleading, but as to whether by intent or through lack of sufficient knowledge, both of Cayce and non Cayce material alike, and understanding of how the information was given at times, and why it was given in the manner of reference as to times and people involved... which sometimes was deliberately cryptic [take the many times Cayce was asked just as to exactly when Yeshu'a/Jesus was born. He gave a few different answers and the only time He was date specific, Cayce said; "He was born on the nineteenth day of March. By the Julian Calendar. it was in the year four. From the Hebrew or the Mosaic calendar, it was in the year eighteen hundred and ninety-nine." [587]

I asked a few Rabbi's as to when that date He gave for the Hebrew calendar was by the Gregorian calendar. It wasn't even within a thousand years of the time that He was, or could have, been born. It turned out, as I found, that different sects of the Jews have different means of reckoning the number of the years. None of those I asked knows of any sect today, that is in existence, that would have had that date around the time of 1 A.D., ...as I wrote, no where near, not by a thousand years, [and as I seem to recall it is more like quite a few thousand] So, it must have been in reference to some sect of the Jews that has long since disappeared...perhaps the Essene's themselves? But, that I doubt as well, as Cayce said that they had been living in that community near the Dead Sea for ...what was it, I forget exactly, but I thin it to have been well over 800 years since the time of Melchizedek, as it was the teachings and prophecies of Melchizedek that they were studying in isolation from the other sects. If you consider Cayce's words, then it is implied that the Essene's weren't imprisoned by the Babylonians and possibly because either the Babylonians didn't even know they were there, or deemed them too small and insignificant sect to try to find...as they lived in those caves which in turn were in such remote areas and areas that were a maze of canyons, that the time and manpower it would have taken deemed to have been a non worthwhile venture?

...and that reference to the year 4... One would likely assume that it also means the same as to the Gregorian calendar...and it does... unless you were living during that time... as the Romans had two different new year days. One was of the the observation of the masses, the other was governmental...and, the year was not 4 by the Romans or the Essene's accounting...that is by the Vatican's...and then there's the issue of as to when 1 A.D. is considered to have begun. Some insist that no mater what month or day of the year He was born, the year 1 A.D. begins that New Years' Day that preceded His birth, while others insist that it is the New Years' day that follows, as to when 1 A.D. began ...and the Vatican isn't saying anything at all about that issue.

You might want to think that if the source of that info really wanted everyone to know that He would have given it in very plainly understood form.

As it turned out He was born in the year 3, by the Julian, if one uses the present account of the years by the Western world and not that of Julius. It was also in the year 3 by the reckoning of the Vatican, that is up until the day Pope Gregory made his decree that everyone should skip 12 days, like they never occurred. Because what that did was move his birth date to April 1st, which by the governmental calendar observed in Julius' time, that was new years day, and thus His birthday from that day on was in the year 4 by the Roman accounting...except the Romans were long gone when Pope Gregory did his thing. And the birth date remained as April 1st from the time Gregory introduced his calendar up until January 1, 2001, when another day had to be added to that accounting, moving the birth date to April 2nd.

What a time I had getting all that figured out...Wheeeee

...anyways... I think I made my point...that the readings at times were deliberately cryptic, or they withheld being specific and even with held all the truth about some things, either not to add to confusion, or maybe it's because the world can't handle the entire truth, not just yet, anyways?

I find it interesting that not once, not in any of the publicly released readings, did the source of information ever admonish anyone, or correct anyone, about the use of His name, the Nazarene.
He never answered to the name Jesus in his entire time among the living on earth, not once. that's a Greek invention that came years later.
One of the things I have learned through the many years I have been practicing Japa as a yogi, is what some refer to, what they call as, the proprietary of names. Fr any incantation that is an invocation, that means mantra, prayer, magick, both Dark and Light oriented, one must say the words perfectly, precisely, and names must be said properly of the one you are in the process of invoking>
It's abracadabra and not abracadain't. The more names you know of that one truly does answer to, the more powerful your invocation becomes.

..and, think about how the Latins say that name, you know, the ones the Greeks gave him...think about how it sounds, phonetically...when the Latins say it...

So, then ask yourself,,,why didn't the source try to straighten everyone out about that?
Because it would have likely gotten Edgar killed and the rest of the founders/officers of the A.R.E. too, at that time, and certainly as for the region of the country they were living in at the time.
I myself have been advised to never bring this subject up for the very same reason...but you know what?
That's not how I roll.... gonna die someday anyways...let the truth be known.

Just as that author Robert Temple, so called expert and authority on the Sanskrit language claims that the Hebrews only use one word derived from Sanskrit, that word being "Amen", and that it is derived from OM [or AUM...doesn't matter how we spell it using the English alphabet, the important thing is how it is pronounced properly, precisely] I am a sisya of the bij, OM ...as explained by Swami Sivananda in his book Japa Yoga, Himalayan Press. I know for an certainty that a yogi can make Japa using the word Amen from now until the end of time and the "magic", just ain't going to happen.

According to Sigmund Freud, in his last published work "Moses and Monotheism" [he was superb at understanding the origins of belief systems. I read his book "Totem and Taboo" when I was in college. It is an outstanding work] Moses and the Levites were actually the High priest and the lesser priests of the Aton, or Aten, religion of ancient Egypt. Run off by the bitter, vindictive, and wrathful priests of the Amoun or Amen faith... [and many will argue as to how it is spelled and how it is pronounced but as it was all translated from Hieroglyphs... how can anyone say they know for sure as to either? They can't. ... Jupiter, Zeus, and Amen, are all one and the same deity, according to a number of people much studied in occultism.
Let's say that they are right and knowing that, then, wouldn't you think it odd that the Hebrews/Jews would say that word, or name, at the ending of their prayers? ...and did you give some thought as to how the Latins pronounce the Nazarene's name...that one the Greeks assigned Him?


...and when you consider that Peter's Church, in Rome, is built on the very hill, the very spot, where the temple to Jupiter stood, built from the very same stones, in fact... or, so I'm told, and have so read...

...hmmmm?

sure is some fuel for thought...wouldn't you say? It is for me.

Getting back to the rest of the page. I have to wonder about that claim that the Arabs destroyed any books. The Arabs are, and always have been, scavengers...at least they were before they became oil rich. The would never destroy or throw away anything if it had value to themselves, or was of value to someone else as they could then sell it... or trade it.
That is also true as to knowledge, for they certainly believe knowledge to be of great wealth. The same excuse has been given as for their burning of the library at Alexandria...and Edgar did identify them, and some Jews...ut not any Jews from Rome...as being the cause of that librarys' loss... The excuse has been given as, 'to keep the baths warm for the conquering Beys"... what a lot of hooey... is all I will say about that.

If you will recall Cayce said that one of Yeshu'a/Jesus' prior incarnations was as Zend, the father of Zoroaster.

The woman that I mentioned before, the one that is a member of a study group that study the Cayce readings for all things pertaining to astrology, and whom was a member here briefly, an active member I should say...as one cannot undo their membership here...you have to be expelled, banned, in order to achieve that... She informed me that they did determine fro the readings that, according to Cayce, the Age of Aquarius began sometime in [geeze, what a time for a memory haze] July 1936, although she may have said it was in June...but she wouldn't give a specific day in the month...although she did say they knew that as well, but felt it to be proprietary for what ever reason they have for wanting it to remain such.
Now, as to whether hat meant that means that the Spring equinox then was occurring at 29* Aquar. 59' 59" or at 29* Aquar. 00' 01...whcih takes an estimated seventy one and a half years to change from the one to the other, is anyones' guess.. i guess...

Rabbi Dobin, in his book "Kabbalistic Astrology" did write that according to some Hebrew legend, or it may have been the midrash, the first day of creation [which I took to mean the Thelma Mundi] was what now would be identified as the first day of Autumn, or He may have wrote the Fall, or the Vernal equinox... but that would mean that the Sun was in the first degree of Libra and my theory above about all the planets being in the 1st degree of Libra when viewed from a heliocentric viewpoint , is wrong... wouldn't it?

...ahh, but maybe not...

Just about this same tie of year, in March of 2008, I asked my clairvoyant friend to "see' what she could about an upcoming event I saw happening in May that year that was going to affect my natal chart, BIG TIME. I was born with an incomplete 12 point matrix on my natal chart [an influence place every 30*, basically, all around the Zodiac] I was born with seven positions filled [along with a few other matrices, I have a 'Harmonic Rectangle, for one, which is an incomplete Grand Sextile, aka a Star of Solomon, aka a Magen David], I have a Grand Cross. etc. etc.] Four of the missing, or incomplete points were going to be occupied at the same time that My, only the Sign of Virgo was not... according to my ephemeris, anyones' ephemeris for that matter, and I wanted Her to try to "see" if any undiscovered, unrecognized, what-have-you, influence would in fact be occupying that point at the time. She said yes...but told me it was an influence not on the ecliptic but well below it to the South.
...to make a long story, somewhat shorter, and get to the point. The discussion got into how one perceives the whole astrological show from a standpoint of the natal chart.
When You have your natal chart, on a table, before you. It has to be understood that what you are looking at is a two dimensional drawing of a three dimensional situation, reality, the M.C. is where the noon day Sun will be, and if you were born exactly at noon the Sun will even be there on your natal chart too.
For those of us here in the U.S.A. that means if you were to stand outside, in your yard, or pasture, where-ever, you will be facing the South as to have that M.C. point that is on your natal chart also before you in the real world. The place where the Sun rises in the morning, [the Asc. on your chart] the East, will be to your left... There are those that label all that which is below the axis line that is the Horizon to be considered to be that to the North, but actually, it's all that which is between the Desc. and the Asc. on the other side of the earth,as to where you are standing If it is exactly noon when you are standing there, then all of that to the lower half of your natal chart is where it is presently night time...the I.C. where it is then presently mid night.

The only thing is...the planet from that view point is rotating from right to left... , counter clockwise...while the Zodiac appears to be rotating from left to right...clockwise. Yet the Planets, and Luminaries, from an observers
stationary viewpoint are traveling from right to left...counter clockwise.

Considering that for, an alleged, thousands of years man believed the earth stood still in the firmament while everything else orbited it, doesn't the concept behind this construct of a natal chart seem strange to you?
It sure did to me.

My friend Clarisse could see the answer to this but had the hardest time trying to put it into words, she finally said, the simplest way for me to understand it was to...are you ready for this?....

...to place my natal chart before me, face up, now turn it 180 degrees,and now...flip it over...
...I was like... huh?

She repeated herself three times and got quite a giggle from how perplexed I was and my increasing anxiety from an increasing frustration...as for one thing...flip it over how? from the bottom up and away from me, or the other way around... or did she man from right to left, or from left to right.
She finally told me, take it by the bottom, the six o'clock point and flip it up an away from you, and over...face down.


Now think about that.
To turn it 180 degrees, you've moved the Asc., where the Sun rises over to your right, meaning it would be rising in the West?.... and the M.C. would then be to the lower portion of the chart...and that makes no sense at all...but she did also say, "Now, flip it over"...

...okay, that still has the Asc. on the right hand side [even tough the chart is now face down, but ignore that it is face down] and the M.C. is now back to where it should be...and....

...you should by then realize ...it is from a view point in the Southern hemisphere... and as to what the Rabbi said about the Thelma Mundi..?.
...now draw you own conclusions from all of that...
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Oh yeah, this thread is about the Democratic candidates for the nomination to run against president Trump... and it's my thread too... gee, must have made a wrong turn back there, ssomewhere...

..anyways, as to where the campaign stands presently.
Glad to hear that Tulsi will be included in the next debate.
Bernie is still my man for the job... ain't worried about Biden...
I figure that he'll be reduced to rubble by the end of the next debate... He should be...
...but... and this is a big BUT.... will the DNC try an of their shenanigans this time, too...

...and who's to say they haven't already?
I'm not only surprise d He did as well as He did, I'm a wee bit suspicious...
...but that may be because I may be a wee bit reactionary from being so observant of the last election.

We'll see, I suppose...

...but do you honestly believe that Biden would offer the v.P. role to Michael?

...many, hereabouts believe that He already offered it to Buttigieg, as for how He got His endorsement..

...hmmm...?
Like I wrote, already... I guess we'll see....
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If you connect them all, does it form a recognizable pattern?

And, because we have such a strict, toe-the-line-and-stay-on-topic OP, I'd better say something about the Nomination: There's a rumor that Biden will pick Michelle Obama as his running mate!
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If you connect them all, does it form a recognizable pattern?

And, because we have such a strict, toe-the-line-and-stay-on-topic OP, I'd better say something about the Nomination: There's a rumor that Biden will pick Michelle Obama as his running mate!

TOE-TOPIC: HOT OFF THE PRESS!!! Yes - Michelle!!! Dave on X22Report yesterday is now predicting Bernie won't make the cut, Biden will, but Biden's multiple faux pas (pases??) and Ukraine investigation force the DNC to bring on someone else at the last minute namely Hillary, running-mate Michelle. Can you believe it? Oh, and note too that Michelle begins the campaign trail later this month in Michigan under the guise of encouraging people to register to vote.

O . . . M . . . G . . . ! Should we be doing their astro charts?

If so, are these dates reliable:
Hillary: https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Clinton,_Hillary
Michelle: https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Obama,_Michelle
(RE: Recognizable pattern? Transiting Sun & Neptune form apex to natal Pluto & Neptune; Natal Saturn forms apex to transiting Mercury & Uranus; Natal Pluto apex to transiting Jupiter & Sun-Neptune. Transiting Pluto & Saturn inconjunct Asc. -- Thx for asking
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TOE-TOPIC: HOT OFF THE PRESS!!! Yes - Michelle!!! Dave on X22Report yesterday is now predicting Bernie won't make the cut, Biden will, but Biden's multiple faux pas (pases??) and Ukraine investigation force the DNC to bring on someone else at the last minute namely Hillary, running-mate Michelle. Can you believe it? Oh, and note too that Michelle begins the campaign trail later this month in Michigan under the guise of encouraging people to register to vote.

O . . . M . . . G . . . ! Should we be doing their astro charts?

If so, are these dates reliable:
Hillary: https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Clinton,_Hillary
Michelle: https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Obama,_Michelle
(RE: Recognizable pattern? Transiting Sun & Neptune form apex to natal Pluto & Neptune; Natal Saturn forms apex to transiting Mercury & Uranus; Natal Pluto apex to transiting Jupiter & Sun-Neptune. Transiting Pluto & Saturn inconjunct Asc. -- Thx for asking
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Oh yeah, this thread is about the Democratic candidates for the nomination to run against president Trump... and it's my thread too... gee, must have made a wrong turn back there, ssomewhere...


...but do you honestly believe that Biden would offer the v.P. role to Michael?

Not any more. DNC has bigger plans. Bernie won't (be allowed to) make the cut; Biden's multiple faux pas(es) and Ukraine investigation will knock him out of the race leaving the DNC to scramble (ostensibly though planned) for another candidate. Hillary will step in to save the day with running mate Michelle - This is Dave's of X22Report prediction yesterday.

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My friend Clarisse could see the answer to this but had the hardest time trying to put it into words, she finally said, the simplest way for me to understand it was to...are you ready for this?....

...to place my natal chart before me, face up, now turn it 180 degrees,and now...flip it over...
...I was like... huh?

She repeated herself three times and got quite a giggle from how perplexed I was and my increasing anxiety from an increasing frustration...as for one thing...flip it over how? from the bottom up and away from me, or the other way around... or did she man from right to left, or from left to right.
She finally told me, take it by the bottom, the six o'clock point and flip it up an away from you, and over...face down.


Now think about that.
To turn it 180 degrees, you've moved the Asc., where the Sun rises over to your right, meaning it would be rising in the West?.... and the M.C. would then be to the lower portion of the chart...and that makes no sense at all...but she did also say, "Now, flip it over"...

...okay, that still has the Asc. on the right hand side [even tough the chart is now face down, but ignore that it is face down] and the M.C. is now back to where it should be...and....

...you should by then realize ...it is from a view point in the Southern hemisphere... and as to what the Rabbi said about the Thelma Mundi..?.
...now draw you own conclusions from all of that...

Wait and see, I'm going to bring this back around to topic.
What you're describing is in line with my understanding. Looking down at the chart the left side is east. Turn the chart 180 degrees and the east is on the right. (When you face north the east is to your right, right?) Raise the chart over your head while looking at it, and now you're looking at the heavens from earth. MC is south, IC is north, Asc is east and Desc is west. (It boggles my mind to think of the midheaven as south.)
Dane Rudhyar might agree with you regarding the southern hemisphere theory. I'm in Pisces fog however and must defer to the internet.

I found 2 websites with information pertaining to astrological interpretation from the southern hemisphere. In the first, astrologer Lynn Hayes says she has found "northern-centric" astrology accurate for her Australian clients. https://www.astrodynamics.net/does-a...rn-hemisphere/


The second website illustrates the axes with the seasons reversed https://astrology.com.au/horoscopes/...oroscope-intel .


Lynn Hayes, the first astrologer above mentioned, includes this statement and quote:
The famed Dane Rudhyar and some other astrologers have proposed reversing the astrological chart to better fit with the astronomical reality of the southern hemisphere. Others disagree:
For contemporary astrologers, signs are seasons, however they are psychological seasons, not literal ones. While the Sun in a sign pinpointed the time of year (since this is how time became measured) any another planet in a sign does not equate with these literal seasons. Metaphorically Aries is a beginning whether it marks the beginning of spring or not. Jupiter in Aries may be a robust beginning but obviously is not spring. Seasonal metaphors for the twelve zodiacal signs are solar based. Northerners often ponder whether the meaning of the signs should be reversed to accommodate the seasonal differences. Again this is fixing the zodiacal metaphors from the Sun’s point of view. Carl Jung often used to refer to astrology as a “projected psychology”. Onto the heavens we cast our myths animating the constellations with our human psychology. Here in the South hemisphere the zodiacal signs are also able to be adapted seasonally with Capricorn being dry or Cancer being wet. The archetypal zodiac responds to its projections. -- Canadian/Australian Astrologer Brian Clark
I think you mentioned something about the chart being two dimensional whereas the planets are arrayed in 3 dimensions. I believe the planets and stars to be a huge multidimensional clock and the natal chart like a fingerprint that remains even after the finger, the source which made it, is no longer there. This suggests that the imprint of a life remains for all time. Although the finger that made the print is no longer there, something of the original source remains like Kirlian photography that shows a leaf's energy though the leave has been removed; thus as the planets aspect the imprint of a person's birthchart it resonates, and that resonance affects the source. I understand the planets each having their own subtle vibrations. By vibrations I mean light frequency and sound frequency. The earth has a base vibration of 7.83Hz known as the Schumann Resonance. In Sanskrit it is known as Pranava, the sound of OM. The daily resonance is a bit irregular but nothing as remarkable as the +36 Hz spike January 31, 2017. (Listen to the sound of OM, 7.83Hz with binaural beats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn6m7Zz87L4)
The people who monitor the Schumann Resonance believe that the fluctuations may be caused by solar activity, lightning, Sprites, Q-Bursts, HAARP, use of scalar plasma weapons and light forces. The Schumann Resonance measures also the Energy of Collective Consciousness (ECC) (Scroll down for the chart https://www.disclosurenews.it/en/ene...consciousness/) The ECC level on Feb 27, 2020 reached a high point at 185.28. This was concurrent with high level, secret US military operations being carried out on major global banking centers in Antwerp, Brussels and London authorized by the US Commander-in-Chief who just happens to be seeking re-election in the "Nov. 2020 Presidential Election."
As promised, back on topic. As for "the Democrat Party Contenders," keep an eye on Hillary and Michelle.
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If you connect them all, does it form a recognizable pattern?

And, because we have such a strict, toe-the-line-and-stay-on-topic OP, I'd better say something about the Nomination: There's a rumor that Biden will pick Michelle Obama as his running mate!

Just a rumor, nothing to it I'm sure. Michelle Obama is quite busy selling tickets country wide now to her speeches. Seems he answered a question about her as a possibility on January 20th, and the rumor mill started up then. That was before he clinched the South and mainly the black vote in SC.

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