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One simple advice, your natal Moon should better stay away from the event MC. Try not to choose an hour where your Moon is in the event 10H, you may also avoid choosing an hour where your ASC falls in the event 8H. Be careful with Chiron and Nodes transits to sensitive points of your natal chart.
Unless you are thinking that 8th house is the event "death," which this is not an event of death, like making a last will and testament, choosing when to have a funeral, the 8th house is irrelevant. This is a sixth house matter. If it were in the eighth, it is more a question of accidental dignity and essential dignity.

*Although, some, long ago, claimed that the lord of the ascendant should avoid an opposition with lord of the eighth house. That's about it I believe. (Lots of disagreement in the realm of elections, so have to use ones own intuition and experience in this area.)

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- Pluto is approaching a square to my natal Venus, but it also is conjuncting my Part of Fortune. Should I worry about transiting Pluto? Your natal Venus opposes natal Jupiter, let's try to not irritate this with pluto.

So we have eliminated: March 30, April 2, April 6.
Just want to add to this. Your natal rules your 4th house and your 11th house because you have rising. So, you are looking, aside from natural dignity, issues with your home (perhaps how all this comes to an end) If it does affect your natal and in return sixth house, by triggering , it is not bad, but will have an effect primarily based on and the nature of the aspect concerned. Moreover, a single transiting aspect will not have a pronounced effect unless other things are going on. This could actually be positive.

Regardless, you would have to have your chart analyzed in another way to see if there are health problems inherently on the horizon rather than casting election charts. In fact, if you were aware of a possible medical concern here, then an election chart might be used to mitigate potential suffering. An event chart will always be seen in the overall picture of directions, progressions, (returns) and transits, the later especially. Conversely, if nothing is portentous of ailments or things going awry, then an election chart could be seen as superfluous.

Here, however, I can't emphasize enough your vulnerability to drugs, intoxicants and the like. So it is good to have this done for that sake alone. I have not gone through and looked into your future or pried in that way. But this is what I feel is the big issue to be addressed.
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Unique Astrology: Sorry, I still don't understand the stellium in pisces, in the 8th house.
In addition, the patient has a moon/mars opposition in late pisces.

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Unless you are thinking that 8th house is the event "death," which this is not an event of death, like making a last will and testament, choosing when to have a funeral, the 8th house is irrelevant. This is a sixth house matter. If it were in the eighth, it is more a question of accidental dignity and essential dignity.

*Although, some, long ago, claimed that the lord of the ascendant should avoid an opposition with lord of the eighth house. That's about it I believe. (Lots of disagreement in the realm of elections, so have to use ones own intuition and experience in this area.)
From personal experience, natal ASC in event 8H brings some difficulties (during or after a surgery). It also depends in other transits to natal planets/angles ocurring concurrently.
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Unique Astrology: Sorry, I still don't understand the stellium in pisces, in the 8th house.
In addition, the patient has a moon/mars opposition in late pisces.
First, let me disabuse you. Unique Astrology did not create an election with a stelium in ; I did.

Second, Unique Astrology did not cast an election but used a subset of progressions based on lunar movement. That is not an election. That truly is a unique astrological approach but being in the subsections of elections, some would want it moved. However, I think it adds an alternative approach in an area that is greatly confused. I don’t want to get into the historical pretext for this confusion, but it begins with an ancient poem.

Third, and most important, what does the lunar opposition with mean to you? As far as I can see, you first saw and then saw but mor importantly and then concluded bad.What does this signify to you and how does it play out in an operation? In simple terms, what is your interpretation of the native’s natal chart here?

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Third, and most important, what does the lunar opposition with mean to you? As far as I can see, you first saw and then saw but mor importantly and then concluded bad.What does this signify to you and how does it play out in an operation? In simple terms, what is your interpretation of the native’s natal chart here?

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I just want to emphasize that I am not being confrontational but want to know why you are opposed the use of "pisces." and 8th house? The 8th house here is unimportant because if OP makes his appointment at 4 pm, the real work won't begin until after the anesthetics begin. So we are looking at 4:15 to 4:30, at which point the , , are in the 7th house.

What we have here with the new Moon is a conjunction increasing toward , the latter rescued by (from the "Book of the Skilled"). So by the time the operation is in full swing, we still have the ascendant ruler, the conjoined the natives "moon" strengthening it as the ruler of the house of the operation trines the part of fortune, ruled by the sun, and trines the ascendant. The part of fortune is conjoined the ascendant. (So what this means is that you don't get healthier than this as the is the quintessential sign of vitality and health. The PoF is the coup de gras of all malice being conjoined the ascendant and receiving rays from Jupiter, ruler of the house of operations/health, which happens to rule the Sun, too. This makes a fertile ground for health and recovery, especially with the in the said lunar mansion (as I said this all earlier). Jupiter is conjoined the natives Saturn, which should mitigate whatever disruptive energy it is causing. Also, in the hour of

I won't go on, but I am curious as to your dislike of . I just want to understand your reasoning. This is not about right and wrong, although I believe OP wants a clear cut answer.
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Re: Wisdom Teeth Surgery

[QUOTE=Balanced1;951739]Hello, I was hoping I could get some assistance in picking a date for my wisdom teeth surgery.

I have to remove all 4. They have to put me to sleep. And there's risk of nerve damage.

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From my limited astrological knowledge, I know that the surgery shouldn't be done during Retrogrades, and so I'm hoping to get the surgery done within 2 date ranges:

Between now and March 5th. (Before Mercury retrograde)
Between March 28th and April 10th. (After Mercury goes direct and before Jupiter Retrograde)

A couple things I've noticed about the dates within those date ranges:

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- Applying Neptune square Saturn: I know this isn't a good time to be put to sleep. One might not wake up This makes me feel as if my best bet would be to do it in the second date range, where the square would be leaving.
This is your big concern here.

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- February 28th looks nice, but I see that the Moon is in Capricorn. I know you're not supposed to operate when the moon is in the sign that rules what's being operated on. Technically, that's the head. So I shouldn't do it when the moon is in Aries. But should I avoid Capricorn as well, since that rules the teeth?
There are signs that are used for a variety of things but typically it was the quadruplicate nature of the signs so that common signs meant doubling up or abundance, etc.

Most didn't want the Moon in the first house or joined the ascendant but then others disagreed.

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- Uranus is gradually leaving an inconjunct to my Mars. I know the further it is away from my natal Mars, the better.
It's left by now. It's practically out of sign. Maybe in two weeks.

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- Mercury is squaring my Saturn March 30th, so I should probably stay away from that date +- a day or two.
It's going retrograde so its stationary direct at the end of March. Ruling your 12th house of loss. So avoid the end of March you could say.

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- April 2nd looks good, but Sun is exactly opposite my sun and the moon is in mutable Pisces.
Moon in pisces is okay depending on other factors, but you can make that work based the lunar mansions and avoiding contact with Saturn since Jupiter rules your sixth house.

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- April 6th looks nice with Sun trine Saturn and moon in Fixed Taurus
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- Pluto is approaching a square to my natal Venus, but it also is conjuncting my Part of Fortune. Should I worry about transiting Pluto?
Maybe ... but you're worried about something in 2020? That's not going to happen for. a looooooong time.


Best to get dates that are workable and then see what happens. I looked at your chart and there's nothing medically terrible until May. In May you might have a sudden medical issue, and mid March (Uranus sesqisquare Saturn, et al)

You already got the worst I think in the beginning of January with Saturn squaring your Sun, probably when the doc said your wisdom teeth had to go. p hitting your n

Now things look good and beginning of March is good but definitely you don't have to worry about Pluto
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I spent some time today researching a little bit about election astrology, and now I see why it's so difficult to pick a date. There are so many factors to consider. I wish there was data available to show results of what actually works because a lot of it seems theoretical. Some of the more popular books on the subject are ancient, written way before there were computers to actually run proper analysis.

C, I can kind of see what you were going for with the chart you selected.

Before I highlight a couple things, let me point out that the office closes at 4:30, so I will probably have to start at about 3, latest.

Correct me if any of my observations are off: Mar 6, 3 P.M.

- Leo rising puts the chart ruler, Sun, and Moon in the 8th house.
At first glance this is scary looking but the 8th house is to be considered during surgery. With Sun and Moon in the 8th for Leo rising you've linked the ruler of the 1st and ruler of the 12th with the 8th house.

https://www.radicalvirgo.com/2010/04/art-of-timing.html
"The 8th house is considered when undergoing any surgery. It is necessary to connect it favorably to the ruler of the 1st house and also to the ruler of the 12th, if the surgery takes place in a hospital setting."

- 8th house cusp is Pisces, along with the co-ruler Neptune.
Even though I read that the outer planets aren't typically used, it probably strengthens the 8th house if its co-ruler is in there as well

- Mercury is also in the 8th house, and retrograde, which is pretty bad, not gonna lie.
It's retrograde, in fall, and applying to an opposition with my natal mars.

- Jupiter, in its own sign, is the depositor for all of the Pisces placements, which hopefully serves to aid the weakened Mercury.
I just wish Jupiter was angular rather than succedent. With the proper time, Jupiter can be made to trine the MC

- Mars, which is a major malefic for this day chart, sits in the 10th house, which is bad.
The most elevated planet for the chart is a Malefic planet in Sect.
This elevation is countered by the fact that Mars is in its detriment, Taurus.

- Venus, depositor of Mars, sits in an angular house.
It makes a square with my natal mercury and pluto, but hopefully that isn't too much of an issue.
Hopefully this counters Mars' elevation. Maybe I can adjust the time and have Venus exactly opposite the election ascendant to amplify it? But then again, does amplifying Venus, Mars' depositor, also amplify the malefic effects of Mars?

- Saturn sits in a cadent house and sextiles the sun, moon ,and natal MC. It also trines Mars at a 5 degree orb.

- On the downside, Neptune, the sun, and the moon all square my natal Saturn.
But Neptune is Cazimi with the sun, so hopefully this is ok. What about natal Saturn? What purpose does that play in the surgery? Having the chart ruler, moon, and co-ruler of these planets square natal Saturn has to mean something.

I didn't read anything on the different Parts, so I didn't include that. But is this the basic gist of the election?
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Unique astrologys chart: Mar 15, 11:30 AM

The office closes at 1 PM on Fridays, so this was the best time I could find. Let me highlight the "I" because I'm an amateur, there's more than likely a better time before 1.

- I chose this time because it puts Mars, the Malefic for this day chart in the 12th house, making it cadent.

- Saturn, the lesser malefic, is in the 8th house. The 8th house is in Capricorn, so saturn in its own sign, in the 8th house of surgery is well-placed?

- Saturn and Mars also form a near exact trine. (C, you mentioned that this means the surgeon is very good)

- Gemini rising puts the chart ruler, Mercury, in the 10th. It apply's in aspect to Jupiter via square. Unfortunately, Mercury also forms an exact square with my natal Uranus.

- Jupiter sits in the angular 7th house, aspecting Mercury, the sun, and part of fortune via square.

- The moon sits in the 2nd house, which is supposedly unfortunate. But the moon is in its own sign of Cancer, which is good stuff. Unfortunately it's applying in aspect to an opposition with Saturn (10 degree orb)

- Moon also conjuncts my natal ascendant. (Not sure if this is good or bad)

- Venus, the depositor of Mars (which is in detriment), is in the 9th house, making an exact sextile with my natal saturn, and 4 degree trine with my natal sun

Am I missing anything with this chart?
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Re: Wisdom Teeth Surgery

Hey Balanced. I'll check it out. I'm short on time. Finding auspicious days is actually difficult.

For what you want, and of course this varies very much, but Aries or Taurus on the ascendant. I know you said differently in the beginning but this is traditional. I used Neptune because of the triangle.

You actually, by natal chart, should be prone to ailments, etc. I won't get into it but Mars is in the 11th house at that time, not the 12th but I don't know what house system you are using. Not that that's necessarily bad to be in the 11th.

I'm super short on time. And it's an issue to find the right date. The sooner the better. The planets at this time for you are kind of wonky.

You need to put prime importance on the Moon, ascendant and part of fortune. Sooooo important. And the lunar mansions and the hour.

Typically, all things are chosen first on the planetary hour. For you that would be , or

You DO NOT want the moon in the first on on the ascendant. This is almost unanimously considered bad.

But I think you can fiddle with it. Regardless, health issues will likely occur during the periods I previously mentioned.

And at this time, the sooner you get those teeth out the better. When I first did this, I did it for the west coast but had a feeling you were East of me. So I wasn't sure exactly. But really there are just a few days when things are perfect for what you want to achieve.

With more time this weekend, I can probably look into it more, but this is about give and take. And you have to know your weak spots in the natal chart. The all and angular. I am on the fence with Pluto but I know for a fact that and operate significantly in the natal chart. But people have been doing this with the main 7 for a long time and successfully. So, I think the time you chose is better than any. It's too bad that my time won't work. But the close we get to the spring equinox, the harder it will be to find a good time. Especially because time is not on your side.

Just remember: Ascendant and sign, ruler, Moon, Part of Fortune and the goal to make all as best as possible in relation to your own chart. Aries and Taurus are the best signs on the ascendant for you but that means, for you, 7 am and planets are difficult to navigate at that time. Would have to play around with it for awhile.

I'll check it out this weekend, but your time seems good enough. I would like to play with it some more, however.

Anyway, just remember the times I gave you to worry about. If I'm write, you started having wisdom tooth problems after Christmas or first two weeks of January, which caused you to have to see a doctor for antibiotics, then then other dates I gave you should be a concern too.

Talk to you later,
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The chart I made for you was primarily to circumvent that T-Square by enveloping Neptune in a field of protection because anesthetics are the most dangerous part of this whole affair. That being said, or rising might be good, too. But traditionally, and
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I can't help but look but this is the best day, considering. You have in 7th house forming a weak but mitigated by of and ruler of ascendant with in the lunar mansion of healing. The PoF is there—I mean, you can't get better than this if we just throw out Neptune.

This is as good as it gets for March, in my humble opinion. And the closer you get to April, the harder it will be, potentially. There will undeniably be health issues if you wait until April, especially around April 15th.

That's as much help as I can offer right now. I hope it helps.

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But I think you can fiddle with it. Regardless, health issues will likely occur during the periods I previously mentioned.

And at this time, the sooner you get those teeth out the better. When I first did this, I did it for the west coast but had a feeling you were East of me. So I wasn't sure exactly. But really there are just a few days when things are perfect for what you want to achieve.

With more time this weekend, I can probably look into it more, but this is about give and take. And you have to know your weak spots in the natal chart. The all and angular. I am on the fence with Pluto but I know for a fact that and operate significantly in the natal chart. But people have been doing this with the main 7 for a long time and successfully. So, I think the time you chose is better than any. It's too bad that my time won't work. But the close we get to the spring equinox, the harder it will be to find a good time. Especially because time is not on your side.

Just remember: Ascendant and sign, ruler, Moon, Part of Fortune and the goal to make all as best as possible in relation to your own chart. Aries and Taurus are the best signs on the ascendant for you but that means, for you, 7 am and planets are difficult to navigate at that time. Would have to play around with it for awhile.

I'll check it out this weekend, but your time seems good enough. I would like to play with it some more, however.

Anyway, just remember the times I gave you to worry about. If I'm write, you started having wisdom tooth problems after Christmas or first two weeks of January, which caused you to have to see a doctor for antibiotics, then then other dates I gave you should be a concern too.

Talk to you later,
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Hey C, if anyone tells you you're not the man, just send them my way.

This is exactly what happened. Except I didn't go in January. I figured I'd tough it out. I finally went a week ago.

It seems like I'm in a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation.

Should be interesting to see how things turn out.
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Adjusted the chart I did for 11:30 AM. This earlier time moved the MC back several degrees. It will progress to your progressed natal Jupiter in about 5 hours which might be about the time the work is finished or shortly after. The Desc will get to return Venus even later.

With the 2 benefics following so soon after the extraction things should go well and discomfort should be at the minimum possible.
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Hey C, if anyone tells you you're not the man, just send them my way.

This is exactly what happened. Except I didn't go in January. I figured I'd tough it out. I finally went a week ago.

It seems like I'm in a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation.

Should be interesting to see how things turn out.
Hahaha. Thanks man! I needed that! I haven't got a compliment in awhile like that Yeah! It will be interesting. But I hope it all goes well, ultimately.
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Update:

After several cancellations, and with no real choice, I had the surgery March 7th, officially going under a little after 9 A.M.

I tried to take everyone's advice, but the suggested dates didn't work out for various reasons. In the end they said that I had to get it done at that date/time because no other slots were available and I couldn't afford to wait any longer.

The surgery was a success and I'm very grateful to everyone for their contribution. I learned a lot in the process. In the end, I didn't want to bother everyone with checking a date that was mandatory anyway, but fortunately, with what I had learned, I was able to check the forecast myself and be more relaxed walking in.

After the surgery, I came back to the thread and saw that in the very first post Cypocryphy actually suggested the exact date and time that I had my surgery:
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Hey Balanced,

Your Neptune is severely afflicted in the radical chart by the Moon, Saturn and Mars. I say severely because ... well, doesn't matter. Point being is that you don't handle anesthetics well at all in general.

That's point one.

You shouldn't worry about Mercury retrograde so much. Where did you get that info on retrogrades?

Unfortunately, I have no idea where you are located. I could figure it out but not enough time (and not money $$$ heheh)

Okay. The date for you is March 7, 2019 7:30 PST. Neptune is Cazimi with the Sun. Moon is Waxing. Put Aries at the ascendant. Wherever you are. Don't tweak so much. Always make sure Neptune is Cazimi.

Your house placement will be different for March 7th, probably 10:30 to 9:30 for you I would imagine, is the day and time. Just tweak it a bit. Or don't tweak it at all. Actually, DO NOT TWEAK IT. You'll heal fast this way. Just leave it like I said.

Hope this helps buddy
This was mind-blowing to me.

It seems as if rather than picking the best day/time for my surgery, he picked THE day/time of my surgery.

It has me wondering a few things about electional astrology in general.

How real is electional astrology? What I mean by that is isn't the day that we choose to do things the day that we were always going to do it anyway?

If we buy into Astrology, then we believe that things are pre-determined to a certain extent. So it's interesting that there's a branch of astrology that supposedly gives us control over events that are already accounted for in our natal charts.

I rescheduled the surgery 3 times and ended up getting it done on the exact date and time that was recommended by Cypocryphy. Maybe I was blessed that the only available date/time was an auspicious one. But if my natal chart had positions that suggested complications during surgery then it's possible that the only available date/time would have been an inauspicious one. Hypothetically speaking, maybe any other day would have resulted in complications, but because my natal chart doesn't have positions that represent surgery complications, I was forced to have it done that day.

An event chart holds every bit of information about the happenings on any given day. Every bit of that information applies to the event, which makes it impossible for us to do something on any day that doesn't fit the climate. Also, the event chart doesn't solely apply to an individual. It applies to all other people involved in the day as well. (For example, I inadvertently effected the people who were operated on after me on that day because we all had the same surgeon.)

It just seems as if it's very difficult, if not impossible, to ever quantify the benefits of electional astrology as being more than psychological because there's no way to re-do events.

It makes me wonder if an astrologer can consistently bypass the electional aspect and just choose the date that the event will happen, regardless of when it should/shouldn't be done.

With all of that said, if I'm ever having surgery again, I would definitely follow the same steps and look for the best possible date But I'm just saying..
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Very interesting observations. And thanks for the follow-up.
Electional astrology is very difficult in fact, there are infinite factors to be considered.
In addition, we know that you can't bring about something that isn't in the natal chart. For example, choose the perfect date and time to win a jackpot, but if it isn't in your chart, you just won't win it.
At any rate, glad it all went well for you. Cheers.
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Very interesting case study and astute observations by all. Balanced1 I hope you feel better. Cypocraphy, now I'm fixated on Cazimi conjunctions..
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Thanks WatcheroftheSouth:

I had a long expose on this. I will have to wait perhaps.

Here are the answers:

Elections are simply transits, so bear that it mind. Elections moved into interrogatories into horary astrology. (This is dumbed down.)

So why did this work?

(1) I'm psychic and intuitive and just knew. That's not very astrological and helps no body but is worth considering.

(2) Elections are a hyper-focused form of transits. You could call them "meta-transits™©" and I trademark and copyright that term now.

(3) The best time for everyone involved is within every planet, as I considered the doctor, place of operation, type of operation, vulnerability of native, area of surgery, reduction and addition, etc. and etc. and like above so below, the flow of events mimicked the stars.

But is election astrology irrelevant? Perhaps—I deduced the day and time of the surgery. That doesn't sound like free will, however. And by inference, elections astrology implies free will as Balanced1 pointed out.

So we have volition versus determinism, the age old argument. This is an argument that both sides lose on due to spurious factors unaccounted for in my opinion.

What if a "guardian angel" knew of natives vulnerability and orchestrated or pulled strings to have the event take place on a day when said native would be safe? I mean, can we discount anything at this point?

The point being is that you can't elect a date if you do everything you can to change the date and end up on the date first determined by "election." Pre-cognizance on my part? Coincidence (and a mighty one at that considering I do this day in day out lately, though not necessarily on the basis of elections).

There is a lot to ponder here .... And for me, will have to be another day when I'm not half asleep. However, I would not have been able to have been so precise without astrology. At least I believe that.
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