Adam Lanza

PD187540

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Would anybody happen to know the exact birth date, time, and location for Adam Lanza, the shooter in CT? I'd love to know what his natal placements are (not concerned so much about transits).

I want to find out if there are any indications for his bright intelligence (according to news sources) as well as any tendencies of him being a murderer or at least psychologically unstable.
 

JUPITERASC

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Would anybody happen to know the exact birth date, time, and location for Adam Lanza, the shooter in CT? I'd love to know what his natal placements are (not concerned so much about transits).

I want to find out if there are any indications for his bright intelligence (according to news sources) as well as any tendencies of him being a murderer or at least psychologically unstable.
“.....Adam Peter Lanza, was born on 22 April 1992, TIME CURRENTLY UNKNOWN in Kingston, New Hampshire, where his parents had been married in 1981.He had been an honors student at Newtown High School. An aunt of his said his mother removed him from the Newtown public school system because she was unhappy with the school district's plans for her son. He had no criminal record. Lanza's parents divorced in September 2009,and Adam and his mother were supported by alimony paid by his father, a corporate executive....”


source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting


“....Lanza lived with his mother Nancy. She was a gun enthusiast who had taught her two sons to shoot and often took them to a local range. Marsha Lanza also recalled that Nancy was a survivalist and that Nancy had turned her home into "a fortress" in which she was stockpiling guns and food to prepare for what she believed was an apocalyptic event associated with impending economic collapse. She had withdrawn Adam from school after "battling" with them over their unspecified "plans" for him...”


“...Two days before the massacre, Lanza went to a sporting goods store in Danbury, Connecticut, and tried to buy a rifle. He was turned down because he did not want to undergo a background check or abide by the state's waiting period for gun sales....”
 

Bjorkstrand

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Here's a chart for a nightime time.

I think the moon conjuncts uranus and neptune square venus

Pluto rising.

Jim
 

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dr. farr

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Comparing the natal chart above (looking only at planets and, because of its swiftness, excluding the Moon from consideration) to the 9:35 AM Sandy Hook Massacre event chart (since we have a time with this event chart we can use such elements as cusps, etc) we find:
-a partile conjunction of the event chart MC with his natal Pluto
-a nearly partile conjunction of transiting Uranus with his natal Mercury
-conjunction (2 degrees 8 minutes) of transiting Mars with his natal Neptune (Mars also transits his natal Uranus by slightly over 3 degrees-3 degrees 4 minutes-close, but a bit beyond the orb I tend to use for conjunctional transits)

There were no compensating favorable transit conjunctions, to offset the disruptive ones mentioned above...
 
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JUPITERASC

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Here's a chart for a nightime time.
I think the moon conjuncts uranus and neptune square venus
Pluto rising.
Jim
Since we have no time of birth from official sources then 'a night time time' is simply speculation and conjecture
Comparing the natal chart above (looking only at planets and, because of its swiftness, excluding the Moon from consideration) to the 9:35 AM Sandusky Massacre event chart (since we have a time with this event chart we can use such elements as cusps, etc) we find:
-a partile conjunction of the event chart MC with his natal Pluto
The partile conjunction of the event chart MC on the day of the massacre with natal Pluto IS AN ASPECT THAT IS COMMON TO EVERYONE BORN THE SAME DAY AS ADAM LANZA
-a nearly partile conjunction of transiting Uranus with his natal Mercury
The nearly partile conjunction of transiting Uranus with Adam Lanza's natal Mercury IS AN ASPECT THAT IS COMMON TO ALL THOSE BORN THE SAME DAY AS ADAM LANZA
-conjunction (2 degrees 8 minutes) of transiting Mars with his natal Neptune (Mars also transits his natal Uranus by slightly over 3 degrees-3 degrees 4 minutes-close, but a bit beyond the orb I tend to use for conjunctional transits)
The conjunction of transiting Mars with Adam Lanza's natal Neptune and/or Uranus IS AN ASPECT SHARED BY ALL THOSE BORN THE SAME DAY AS ADAM LANSA
There were no compensating favorable transit conjunctions, to offset the disruptive ones mentioned above...
dr. farr - ALL of those disruptive transit conjunctions of the event chart for the massacre are common to every one of the approximately 384,000 born worldwide on the same day as Adam Lanza

An accurate time of birth is ESSENTIAL since only that can provide the reliable and accurate position of Adam Lanza's personal individual natal Moon AND angles i.e. ASC/DES/MC/IC

The outer planets travel so slowly that the event chart for the massacre using a 3 degree orb aspects at least TWO MILLION SIX HUNDRED AND EIGHTY EIGHT THOUSAND members of the world population.

Therefore the seven classical visible planets, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are the acceptable reliable indicators
 

dr. farr

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Unfortunately I must disagree with my friend JA's point of view regarding this matter: directional trends can distinguish whether or not a common transit activates, and how it activates, in a given individual chart; further I must also disagree with the concept that unless an accurate birth time is known, no horoscopic chart can be made: use of Solar charts, by more than a few Modernists (some of whom actually prefer these!), and the excellent work of Cosmobiologie (Ebertin et al), which eschews houses, etc, shows me (at least) that reliable charts can be erected even without an accurate birth time (not to mention the various schools of Chinese astrology, where the day of birth is often all that is used for delineative data purposes)
 

gen6k

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well the keplarian models of astrology do not capture the non-linearity of birth.

http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/precessiontorque.jpg

a natal chart also has a meta-natal range. the meta-natal range holds several levels as well including synastric modes, mundane transit modes, astrolocality modes.

the directionality of the natal in the enviornment is elusive, but it does change depending on the development which would show in rectification of subtle angles. the relocated progression, solar return developments, and so on.

the Natal with Enviornment is for example time dialated. the past echoes with the present, and thus past progressions and past transits are still somewhat valid in the present.

to refine the subtle angles one looks deeper in the natal rather than outside of it to the Harmonic configuration (D2-D10). the orb and location of the chart form hard aspects, but not necessarily blocking mechanisms in all charts of the day.

the total mundane astrology with the natal would be able to somewhat reconstruct the Meta-Natal field, but this would take like a programmatic amount of super-computing to calculate who they would actually run in to from the natal chart.


astrolocality for newtown, connecticut



Asc Opposition Saturn/Pluto (Orb: 0 Deg 53 Min)
You are likely to feel very confined and restricted in this area, or to face unusual challenges and struggles. You may feel
imprisoned against your will, or that life is unfair to you at times. At best, you may find that you enjoy the solitude and
simplicity, but this tends to be a very difficult astrological influence.


Descendant SemiSquare Pluto (Orb: 1 Deg 27 Min)
You undergo a lot of deep, inner changes while in this area, and not all of the changes are pleasant. You may experience
a side of life that you rarely encounter, possibly visiting people who are dying, or in unusual circumstances. Handled properly,
you can find renewed inner strength, but you could also feel overwhelmed or emotionally depressed from the situations you
encounter.



Heres some important steps for Meta-Natal formation:
geneaology. in the natal chart there should be some indicator of giving birth and creating a new natal chart. as well as the replication of natal charts on to event charts at transit crossing points. this creates a wave of natals geneaologically and event formation through critical points and the reverse constructed meta-natal traits such as astrolocality.
the natal chart and the location going towards locally, regionally or internationally, etc. the natal chart attracts and is attracted to certain "groups" of the wave as well as certain house locations.
the super-computer would have to interpret the interlocking formation of harmonic divisions and mundane triggers. creating path waves of genealogical trees.
which includes advanced forms of astrology currently available. instead of astrolocality it would be more like youre going with that group in highschool.

the meta-natal should be a reinterpretation of the morphological natal chart. basically expanding its minute implications of transit as a dynamic chart morphology or collections of charts. the reason why the natal is also an unfoldment is because our brains are able to transcribe the open morphology of the natal with environment psychologically which means that the natal is really a small reoccuring pattern of the total mundane astrology. then it is likely that the reverse is also calculated as the meta-natal field.

then the last expansion of astrology is really the walking down the street astrology which is the most precise astrology after group-waves. the mundane directional with the natal directional collapsing through time in a spiraloid fashion.


the cosmological symmetry is similar to this E8 Pattern.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IQgkr1tu7...DxE/8CLlWdDLFBY/s1600/E8+++PetrieFull_svg.png


http://www.cosmicintelligenceagency.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/VenusStarRose.jpg
sun and venus cycles

There are 8 layers of black points on the E8.
that represents the cascading time-dilation of each planet from Mercury to Pluto.

from real time to historical time morphology

mercury - internet articles, forums, chatting, conversations, news - a couple of years
venus - feminity, artists, movies, fashion trends - 60-100 years
mars - masculinity, war, sports, goal orientation - 70-200 years
jupiter - cultural philosophy, legislature, idioms - 100-600 years
saturn - states, buildings - 200-800 years
uranus - technology, science, metaphysics 1000-2000 years
neptune - religions, archetypes - 2600 years
pluto - secret societies, bondage, 4000~?


except that Neptune and Pluto are not Phi
which would amount to extra-orbital clusters.
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb4c.html
exponentiality implies that the planetary influences are from the same homeomorphism.
their rate of change is from an unfolding starting position of an intricate nature.
except that planetary rulerships and ecliptic zodiacal are not on the surface from
the same pattern. the rulerships are rather arbitrary yet parallel.
the real angularity of natal charts are as complex as a particular expression
similar to this shape.

another multifacted thing would be the construction of astrological consciousness
including the various layers of astroids and transneptunians, and how they connect
with the activity of the natal. for example group probabilistic structures based
on the designation of activity. the extra-orbitals that would form angles to the
transit-to-transit and natal to form a coherent picture of the development.

here is a group statistical experiment:
using mundane astrology techniques with a collection of natals.
tracking the speed of cars and the amount of cars passing through
a street on a particular day. confiscating everyones natal. is it possible
to derive correlations with the pattern of mundane astrology to each
individual chart and the statistical data of activity.
then from the data is it possible to construct a group statistical
modal region of the line formation of cars going towards a particular street.
its important to transverse the area of the natal to see the correlation
of group dynamics with the mundane transits.

there is actually a faster way to see correlations of group dynamics
with the house format of mundane charts. since each sector is split
it is possible to divide the posterior movement of the current form
with the progression of each combination digression. so for example
if mercury is at one part of the sky it will eventually transform
in to another sector, but before it does it will go towards saturn
at some angle. that particular part would be the formation
of a certain group trend out in regional and intersectional situations.
this situation would be multifaceted in that some people are online,
and others are communicating yet it is also the formation of intersectional
cultural trends the group mind perhaps. it would also be the
rythemic pattern of accidents and so forth.
 
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JUPITERASC

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....further I must also disagree with the concept that unless an accurate birth time is known, no horoscopic chart can be made...
And I continue to take issue with my friend dr. farr because obviously, on any given day within 24 hours, a myriad horoscopic charts can be created for any location on planet Earth HOWEVER only the horoscopic chart that marks the precise moment of a particular individual's birth is of PARTICULAR relevance to that particular individual SPECIFICALLY relevant to planets in houses as well as ASC/DESC/MC/IC, furthermore that is why techniques such as 'Rectification of the Ascendant' are necessary

There are of course gazillions of astrological methods, INCLUDING the in depth study of invisible/theoretical TransNeptunian'Planets' , hundreds of tiny asteroids and of course heliocentric astrology.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and to disagree with every one else
and that is why it is such a sensible step to simply study astrology and discover for oneself WHICH, amongst the myriad astrologies is the currently preferred one. As time passes one's opinions change
:smile:
 

dr. farr

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And I continue to take issue with my friend dr. farr because obviously, on any given day within 24 hours, a myriad horoscopic charts can be created for any location on planet Earth HOWEVER only the horoscopic chart that marks the precise moment of a particular individual's birth is of PARTICULAR relevance to that particular individual SPECIFICALLY relevant to planets in houses as well as ASC/DESC/MC/IC, furthermore that is why techniques such as 'Rectification of the Ascendant' are necessary

There are of course gazillions of astrological methods, INCLUDING the in depth study of invisible/theoretical TransNeptunian'Planets' , hundreds of tiny asteroids and of course heliocentric astrology.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and to disagree with every one else and that is why it is such a sensible step to simply study astrology and discover for oneself WHICH, amongst the myriad astrologies is the currently preferred one. As time passes one's opinions change :smile:


See Master Tsai's analysis of the Lanza chart in his 12/24/12 thread in the Chinese astrology forum, for an example of (one of many of) the interpretive and prognostic methods which do not use exact birth hours.
 

JUPITERASC

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See Master Tsai's analysis of the Lanza chart in his 12/24/12 thread in the Chinese astrology forum, for an example of (one of many of) the interpretive and prognostic methods which do not use exact birth hours.
Of course there are many alternative prognostic methods which do not use exact birth hours HOWEVER all those methods can be used WITH the natal chart that HAS got a precise or exact time of birth.

WHEREAS those with no exact time of birth have SOLELY the less precise alternatives
mentioned in the above quote :smile:
 

dr. farr

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I do not consider some of the Chinese astrological analyses any less precise than those of Western astrology, when done by adepts of the Chinese astrological system-unfortunately the very precise Chinese analysis of the Adam Lanza case in the thread I referenced above, has been largely obliterated due to the 100 word quote limit here on AW.
 
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