Do you have a 12th house moon?

jill

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Wow, I didn't look close enough!:w00t: Yes, it seems right.
Hades has always been a strong influence in my life. It has a trine with Pluto/Node and with Jupiter, it sextiles Mars and Asc, and is opposite natal Neptune. Forming what would be called a tight grand sextile or star of David configuration if the Asc and Hades were included as 'planets'.
I see myself using this energy to help others better understand why they suffer.

Here is a really good article on Hades if you want to learn more about it. Possibly check your own chart and see where it falls in regards to your other planets. Astro.com has a box at the bottom of the user data page where you can type in a 'hypothectical' planet. Hades is h41.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Relationships/Hades-Persephone

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kimbermoon

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I have a 12th house Moon in Pisces, intercepted. It's the most aspected planet. Talking about fame, I never wanted it, I want just to hide "in the shadows" forever if possible, where nobody can see me and so cannot harm me.

Wow, you are my daughter's clone...she also has the same layout and lunar aspects including Neptune, Jupiter, Uranus and Venus...I wonder how you have managed to balance this grand cross within yourself, aside from being very astute...I still can't figure out my daughter [she is 30] and at times she drives me a little bit crazy...I hope that eventually she will come to understand herself as well as you have! Kudos
 

lilithofeden

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Hmm he has his moon conjunct my MC, opposite my venus but trine my jupiter. I'm not sure what this means I have to look it up but I think this supports my idea he might feel unloved, because I'll be too busy working (I'm a young mom planning to go to school).

Omg I never noticed this before but out NN's are conjunct like, by an exact degree! His saturn is conjunct my Jup. (And his moon is trine saturn in his natal)

I think we may be ok but I will be too busy trying to get an education to support us hmmm
 

jill

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It's interesting. Mine is 0 degrees 2'22'' Gemini, only squares NN and quintile Moon.

just a thought....Neptune is currently square your natal Hades and Pluto is currently conjunct your MC.
This coming year (2012) Pluto will be square your Sun, 3 times. March, all of June/July and again in Dec 2012.
Saturn will also be square your Hades next year
and by Dec 2012 Saturn will be square your Sun.
Pluto and Saturn are not easy squares.
I would suggest you read up on these transits and how they are going to effect you.

I have a thread I posted just the other day regarding transits for the upcoming 2012 and 'whatever is going to happen'.
I don't want to change the topic of this thread here, but if you want to know more, here is the link.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41774


also: really good article on Hades can be found here
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Relationships/Hades-Persephone
 

bubuza_dulce

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Wow, you are my daughter's clone...she also has the same layout and lunar aspects including Neptune, Jupiter, Uranus and Venus...I wonder how you have managed to balance this grand cross within yourself, aside from being very astute...I still can't figure out my daughter [she is 30] and at times she drives me a little bit crazy...I hope that eventually she will come to understand herself as well as you have! Kudos
Hello, "mother"! I hope you are bit kinder and less harsh than my mother, but aside from that, I'm sure you're a great person since your daughter chose you to be her mother! I'm 31 and I have a lot of understanding to do, it's something that takes a lifetime. My mother tells me I drive her crazy sometimes, she says I annoy her the most when during an argument I don't seem to be affected at all, maybe just laugh at her while she's angry directly. I explained her I did this as a child because she was my mother and I wasn't able to hurt her openly so I was being sarcastic,laughing or pretending I didn't care and also I wasn't strong enough to show her I was hurt. But I was deeply hurt.She told me she couldn't understand those so she just beat me in order to "win" the fight. And I didn't respond physically but I just grew colder inside maybe even not cry and so sometimes even defeated physically I felt like "the winner" because I didn't give up on my point of view!And that's how I got my aggresivity repressed, folks!:whistling: I hope you don't have these with your daughter but maybe you see her as stubborn, sarcastic or as if she doesn't care if you're angry.
 

bubuza_dulce

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just a thought....Neptune is currently square your natal Hades and Pluto is currently conjunct your MC.
This coming year (2012) Pluto will be square your Sun, 3 times. March, all of June/July and again in Dec 2012.
Saturn will also be square your Hades next year
and by Dec 2012 Saturn will be square your Sun.
Pluto and Saturn are not easy squares.
I would suggest you read up on these transits and how they are going to effect you.

I have a thread I posted just the other day regarding transits for the upcoming 2012 and 'whatever is going to happen'.
I don't want to change the topic of this thread here, but if you want to know more, here is the link.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41774


also: really good article on Hades can be found here
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Relationships/Hades-Persephone

Thank you, Jill, I'll read those transits. I'll tell you how I see it even without looking at charts. My father died at 32 in an accident, drowned, and months before that he went to India and someone from there predicted he would die "a horrible death", drowning. He even told him that. So he spent his last months of life terrified by this. He was a sailor so my mother told him he should just take a vacation and not go to his job. But he replied he could drown in the bathtub if that's want it's meant to be. So everything went as predicted! Now me, I resembled him a lot, physically and more and people told me even as a little child that I would have a life exactly as his maybe even this. Somebody read my hand - because that's how he got his prediction - and told me I would go through some great ordeal at aprox. his age and if I passed the test I'll live! I was only a child and I tried to oppose myself to this idea but I lived all my life with the fear of "this". And, you see, next July I'll be 32!!! So all the Pluto/Hades squares I see them as threats of death. Even only in my mind but I've seen them coming for a long time. I believed for so long that I would die young (and a violent death) that it's impossible for those energies to have just vanished. They must have done something but I'm not aware what. With that in mind, I tried to do all the things I wanted to do, "put my life in order", faster and faster as this moment approaches. I said to myself many times that this is stupid but testing my intuition over the years I have seen that nothing you believe so much can be stupid. I tried imagining what it could be but nothing comes to mind. I've taken up Martial Arts to build my confidence but I'm not sure what I fear would be a physical enemy. I feel better doing that because of the feeling it gives me - whatever it is, we'll fight it till the end! So I'm changing as fast as I can, with or without the transits and what gives me a little peace is the thought that even if it's the real death, in any form, we'll all have to face it someday and it is as hard in any given day.
 

jill

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I am going to look at your chart again.....because I did see some nice transits as well. I believe, depending on what changes will occur on this earth in the coming year, that alot of people will be experiencing a certain kind of death. Not necessarily in the physical sense - but a cleansing. A death of the 'old ways' that don't work any more. (Hades)

I do know that our future is going to be what we make it. And thoughts are very powerful things.
Your body is going to respond to what you've programmed it to believe. If you believe that you will 'physically' die in the year 2012, then you will.

If you believe instead that you will only be experiencing a 'symbolic' death - a release of things that no longer serve your purpose,
then you will - as you mentioned - 'pass the test', and be stronger for it. I sincerely encourage you to choose this path and allow it to happen.

jill

p.s. My apologies to the person who started this thread. I didn't mean to get off track here. please don't be mad. Sometimes these things happen.
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StillOne

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Utahn

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My Moon is in Aquarius in the 12th house

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My mom was always different than other moms. She was in a non mainstream religion, she is very beautiful, intelligent, and an activist. She thinks for herself.
 

roant14

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I'm pretty new to this but have been contemplating the placement a bit so figured I'd throw in my initial assessment. I have Moon in Gemini in the 12th. I never really understood or even acknowledged my emotions until pretty recently; last 5-6 years or so and I'm in my late 30's now. I have a pretty erratic chart and to just isolate my Moon is pretty difficult for me... at least at this juncture.

The placement of my Moon, I think, conflicted with my Cancer Ascendant to make things pretty confusing for me. I never really thought I was very emotional when in fact I'm very sensitive and emotional. Having all the quincunx aspects in my chart doesn't help and specifically one between my Moon and Mercury in Scorpio I think only added to the confusion. So, yes, confusion is in my chart... I think with all my quincunx aspects I tended to go to the most comfortable place with those energies. I'm glad I've been able to realize that moon placement because now I understand my difficult emotional nature to some degree... after all, it's still in the 12th and very difficult to grasp. Astrology really has helped me tremendously in terms of getting a grip on my psychology.

My relationship to my mother was always very good. However, we didn't talk very deeply when I was younger. Probably due to my lack of understanding of how I felt which I think is a function of Moon in Gemini... feel through thinking. I also have Rx Mars as a Singleton so I tend to repress. There is a weird aspect I haven't really looked into between my Rx Mars and Moon... It's a semisquare. That probably has some odd connection in between those 2 planets. Ugh, there's a lot for me to learn still.

However, I must say my Mom has always been great and our connection has only deepened as I've grown.

Why do I feel this on spiritual level? Lol. My moon is also in gemini, but it's on 5th house. I consider my self aloof, not too emotional and not very good expressing or define my emotion. Until recently. Lol
I find my self a little bit sensitive than what I used to think abt myself. I'm Taurus sun with Cap asc on 12th. My neptune close to my asc definitely gear my sensitivity sometimes.


The part abt mother actually true too. We just speak more now abt many things,so I guess now I hve a better grasp to my emotion.
 

CapAquaPis

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Cancer 12th, ASC (that's me) and 1st house will have a similar close mother-child relationship just like a Moon placement, I have a Lunar influence from my moon conjunct sun in Aquarius and these people regardless of sex or gender will be closer to their mother than father. My parents divorced when I was 6 and 7, and he had issues with fidelity, was too controlling of my Mom, didn't stick to a budget, displayed misogynist attitudes even were around in the 1980s and he had a previous divorce, my half-sis' Mom advised my own to watch out. And my own Mom's sun sign is cusp Aquarius/Pisces almost squaring her Aries/ Taurus sun, but could it be apparent in my own Taurus/Gemini in 11th and 12th houses. She passed away 2 weeks ago last year and was a very good positive influencing and stern parental figure to help me overcome my autism (I'm age 42), and I still have a relationship with Dad who's still alive. And part of her strict serious parenting method is 1. her past career with local police/sheriff (officer/dispatcher), 2. Her father was in the US Marines in WW2 Pacific and in Korean war missions, and 3. She and him were in a southern-like Baptist church in 1950s America (well, she's born and raised in Southern CA). Then there are differences in 1. she was more social liberal to stopped going to church even for someone who wasn't a socialist or continues to identify as a Protestant Christian, 2. opposed physical and mental abusive parenting, and 3. showed support of me and my younger bro, however, parents today (I'm a 1980s/90s kid) never said "I'm like your friend" because parents are authority figures whose job is to raise a child to become an adult to function properly in the world, get along with society and never break rules or the law. (P.S. I miss her dearly, so many memories about her to recount, esp. she passed on April 4th last year was Easter sunday). And I wish everyone in the AW a happy Easter/Good Friday/Pesach weekend, and (blessed) Ramadan Mubarak.
 
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