Aspects of being a bully, or being bullied at school
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Orion
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Hi,
Iam not an expert on this subject but I recognized a few things in this matter.
Sun in hard aspect to Saturn I found often in charts of people who become victims rather than the opposite. In general I consider Saturn more with getting bullied rather than bully someone else.
Neptun and Moon is probably also on the losing end.
Aries and Leo ACs, Mars and Suns I would think of as more into bullying others than the opposite but one has always to look at the whole chart.
Pluto in hard aspect to Mercury can cause people to verbally abuse others, in hard aspect to Mars it can lead to physical violence. Pluto likes to take things to the extrem.
Iam not an expert on this subject but I recognized a few things in this matter.
Sun in hard aspect to Saturn I found often in charts of people who become victims rather than the opposite. In general I consider Saturn more with getting bullied rather than bully someone else.
Neptun and Moon is probably also on the losing end.
Aries and Leo ACs, Mars and Suns I would think of as more into bullying others than the opposite but one has always to look at the whole chart.
Pluto in hard aspect to Mercury can cause people to verbally abuse others, in hard aspect to Mars it can lead to physical violence. Pluto likes to take things to the extrem.
Good guess Virgo! It was very true in my case. I have an aries ascendant opp. my mars, and sun and mercury in aries opp. saturn and pluto. I'm pretty sure the saturn opposition caused most of my shyness. My neptune is trine my sun and conjunct my moon. I was shy and bullied up through part of high school and after I got older those experiences toughened me up so today the fearless aries shines through lol. So i guess I've experienced both sides a bit, bullied when I was young and very outgoing and social today(although I never became a bully since I know what it's like lol).
virgo18
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Yes I think Aries and Leo ascendants can lead to be a bully.... also the mercury espects to them.
I have: Mars conjuntion Sun and Mercury
Mars squaring my chart ruler (Jupiter)
Mars square Uranus and Saturn
This aspects supposedly make me a bully... but I was the one who always defend the bullied ones, and make me their friend. Also the "bullies" wanted me at their side.... they told me things like "Don't be friend of that looser, come with us, I am making you a favor."
I didn't knew what side to go. But I was friend of the bullies and the bullied... but I was neither of both. And I think that's because my strong Jupiter.
But what its true is that I become verbally aggressive when I get very mad. (mercury/mars conjunction)
I have: Mars conjuntion Sun and Mercury
Mars squaring my chart ruler (Jupiter)
Mars square Uranus and Saturn
This aspects supposedly make me a bully... but I was the one who always defend the bullied ones, and make me their friend. Also the "bullies" wanted me at their side.... they told me things like "Don't be friend of that looser, come with us, I am making you a favor."
I didn't knew what side to go. But I was friend of the bullies and the bullied... but I was neither of both. And I think that's because my strong Jupiter.
But what its true is that I become verbally aggressive when I get very mad. (mercury/mars conjunction)
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solarsophie
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A strong Neptune/ Sun for the bullied, lack of self esteem possible
I agree with the Aries and Leo asc for potential bully, Mars in hard aspects, without an outlet
I wonder about Pluto/Moon and afflicted 12th house, bully/bullied?
I watched a fascinating Documentary on tribes of apes, where the alpha males were very violent and abusive to the females. There was a garbage dump that this tribe fed off, which contained infected meat, and what happened was the high strung alpha males all died of tuberculosis, leaving behind the more socialized males and the females. The tribe regrouped and subsequently flourished. When new male members showed up, the tribe quickly taught them to be more social, to fit in. They did not accept aggressive behavior. The new ones learned this behavior and did fit in.
I agree with the Aries and Leo asc for potential bully, Mars in hard aspects, without an outlet
I wonder about Pluto/Moon and afflicted 12th house, bully/bullied?
I watched a fascinating Documentary on tribes of apes, where the alpha males were very violent and abusive to the females. There was a garbage dump that this tribe fed off, which contained infected meat, and what happened was the high strung alpha males all died of tuberculosis, leaving behind the more socialized males and the females. The tribe regrouped and subsequently flourished. When new male members showed up, the tribe quickly taught them to be more social, to fit in. They did not accept aggressive behavior. The new ones learned this behavior and did fit in.
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virgo18
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Arijana
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No.
I disagree.
Im sorry but people read things superficialy sometimes. Are bullies strong people? no,bullies are extremely,more often than not,insecure, cowardly people that need a pack to back them upo otherwise they are litztle people on their own. when someone picks on another,they have a problem within themselfes,not with the other person as we all know,and do you know anz really strong mars or whatnot that needs to do that? not very much. the weak attack the strong.
there is only one planet very much tied to bullying since bullying is about power..PLUTO. and no,tthe bullies dont have Pluto,the bullied do. I analized manz charts of bullied kids,even those bullied to death,and most of them had a strong scorpio-pluto influence in them,which is what Pluto does...those who are bullied are noticed in a crowd,no matter where they trz to hide,if they hid in the back of the room with 50 people the bullies would sniff them out because there is something in them that makes them different than anyone else...why is one girl with glasses and a strange looking outift not gettin picked on,yet the girl sitting right next to her looking exactly the same no different from any other getting hell every day she walks threw the school doors? because of Pluto. It give charisma,but mind u charisma is not ''loved by all'' its when u cant escape the reflector lights no matter where u run...sadly Ive noticed in some rape-murder victims strong Plutos,which is again the ''thing'' in them which makes them stand out in a crowd...
My father was abully,and an all star in his high school,the ring leader or what not,and he has mars in gemini,and afflicted,whilst my mother was bullied by the men in her life and she has a mars in leo,venus in scorpio,moon I think in aries not sure etc. Its not the strong that hurt,its the weak. sadly,until u learn to use your pluto power, other people will excersize it above u, trying to take or destroy the power what the bullied has. if you dont become your Pluto,others will be your Pluto,because that is the nature of Pluto,execution style.
btw I was bullied and later turned bully
though I never insulted put anyone down,rather I just became very very mean and agressive,and intimidating,I hurt when I needed to.
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I don't know if this is a stupid question but is that the only aspect that those 2 people have in common in their charts. Are there more aspects?
I do have neptune in conjunction to saturn squaring mars but I have never been bullied. My chiron is retrograded in the 12th house.
Well it doesn't help venus the planet of relating is in fall and is non angular and its ruler mercury is in libra peregine and non angular also ruled by venus. Nor does it help the ruler of the sag 11th (using equal or whole sign houses) is determint and disposits into that fall venus. Also, going with the cappy 11th its ruler is saturnis sag which, is ruled by that detemint jupiter.
I think the fixed stars might have something to do with being a bully. I have noticed stars which, are attributed to aggression and violence aligned with the planets and angles of certain killers and I wonder if this might be the case with bullies. Also, a strong mars or lots of fire. I also wonder if family problems shown by affilictions to the 4th house, 4th house ruler, or moon from malefics which, can show family problems/abuse can lead to someone being a bully.
RayAustin
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Hi Arijana,
May I ask how Mars is being afflicted? Mars and Gemini .. Mercury & Mars together are traditionally known to show "evil minds".
From a Pluto conjunct ascendant native, I co-sign.
Haha I had my moments when I was younger too. Ah, childhood ...btw I was bullied and later turned bully
RayAustin
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Skill,
I'm pretty sure they weren't insulting you! No need to jump to such a conclusion, your last sentence was offensive.
R.a.
virgo18
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Dear Chiron:
As I said
I was only guessing some aspects.
When I enter to this forum, and ask some questions... I learned not to take literally any answers. I just want to learn.
Astrology aspects dont force anybody.
My mars is strongly aspected.... I am not a bully
My Neptune and Jupiter are strong... (I am shy) and I was never bullied
Thank you ray austin. I was merely saying what the chart showed it wasn't meant to be an insult at all. Also the tradionalist perspective is one many astrologers are saying through their own personal research and experience seems to work. There is postive and negative sides to every chart and we all have our crosses to bear.
Skillcoli I wasn't saying because your chart shows difficulty with venus and the 11th house of friends showing the possiblity of being bullied that your being bullied was in any way your fault which, is how you wrongly took it. Also, I was bullied too, I have venus peregine in Cappy in square to its own exalted ruler and mars is determint conjunct saturn. Also, if you think being bullied is bad, Robert Hand says according to the traditionalists he should have died in infancy and nearly did and if it wasn't for modern advancements in medicine probly would have. This is likely connected to Hand's sun in the 6th in oppostion to saturn.
RayAustin
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Skill, even if it was your fault, what is the harm in telling something is someone's fault if it's true? People need to be held accountable in order to achieve growth. In horary, I can tell things like this easily. And it's not to put people down, it's to tell them the truth and give them guidance. I have people say "you know what, you're right", and it gets them farther down their path.
It's not bad to be "your fault",
R.a.
Spoken like a good Scorpio rising (cutting the depth) Ray Austin. Your right. Also, I honestly think a good deal of it isnt' their fault. Granted their chart does suggest they may fall into the trap of getting involved with groups who are bad for them and who may take advantage of them with the 11th house sag ruler jupiter in Gemini (its determint) with its ruler mercury in libra and its ruler Venus in virgo (fall). Also, even if you go with cappy as the 11th house sign its ruled by saturn in sag. I do think they may be able to make consious efforts to combat their chart but I think a lot of it is things not under their control (well at least not full control). We don't pick (at least not consiously) when and where we are born.
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RayAustin
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No I wasn't actually referring to you at that part, I was speaking generally. I haven't actually looked at your chart in regards to the question (pretty sure, too lazy to review all the posts).
R.a.
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