Proof Aquarius is ruled by uranus AND Saturn?

david starling

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There's also social identity involved with H10, relating one's identity to a profession. H11 is about separating individual identity from professional.
 

david starling

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H11 in Modern could be considered the "House of Astrology ".
Not only because it's linked by most Modernists with :uranus:, Modern ruler of astrology, but because one's Chart is viewed as that of an individual. If someone asks, "what are you", the H10 answer would involve profession. The H11 answer might well be astrological in nature. Of course, if you're in conventional social-setting and you answer with your Sun, Moon and rising, you'd most likely be labeled "eccentric". :lol:
 

HarmonE

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What exactly are you saying here? Because im not sure im following.

11th house is the matters of eccentricity and innovation in one's life. I don't see why you're disagreeing with that idea.




Just a wee bit curious here YonyGursho.... are you an Aquarius Sun or heavily Aquarian in your natal?
 

david starling

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Modernist astrologers are dependent on the foundation of traditional domicile rulers :smile:

What works for the foundation doesn't necessarily work for the edifice built upon it.

Btw, I really like the words "Modernist" and "Tradtionalist", in place of "Modern" and "Traditional". I'm going to use them. Maybe the boards chould be changed to that effect.
 

katydid

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Wrong. 11th is the matters of eccentricity and innovation in one's life.

Let's see what Dane Rudyhar has to say about the 11th house:

The tenth mansion is that of "achievement"; but in the eleventh, man is confronted with a new mode of activity, which may be best expressed by the word "transfiguration" — or perhaps as well, "metamorphosis". What this signifies must be clear to one who realizes that in the tenth mansion the individual reaches fulfillment; this, because his individual selfhood is now solidly established, not apart from the whole, but as a part of the whole. There is thus nothing more for him to do as an individual. But there is much indeed to do as a part of the greater whole to which he now rightfully belongs and in which he functions as a vital cell.

What is to be done is no longer to be done as a separate individual, but as a responsible citizen of a community. He must, first of all, prove himself a good citizen, a good neighbor, a good friend. And this is self-transfiguration — which means that he must "figure out" things differently, from a communalistic, and no longer from an individualistic basis; also that he must "cut a figure" full of social implications and guided by a social or group purpose. This indeed is nothing short of a metamorphosis. Out of the chrysalis the butterfly now emerges. And the butterfly feeds upon the nectar of flowers, the ambrosia of the gods — of those who live fully in terms of the cosmic or planetary whole.

http://khaldea.com/rudhyar/nmnm/nmnm_p1_c11.php
 
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ardentika

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Let's see what Dane Rudyhar has to say about the 11th house:

The tenth mansion is that of "achievement"; but in the eleventh, man is confronted with a new mode of activity, which may be best expressed by the word "transfiguration" — or perhaps as well, "metamorphosis". What this signifies must be clear to one who realizes that in the tenth mansion the individual reaches fulfillment; this, because his individual selfhood is now solidly established, not apart from the whole, but as a part of the whole. There is thus nothing more for him to do as an individual. But there is much indeed to do as a part of the greater whole to which he now rightfully belongs and in which he functions as a vital cell.

What is to be done is no longer to be done as a separate individual, but as a responsible citizen of a community. He must, first of all, prove himself a good citizen, a good neighbor, a good friend. And this is self-transfiguration — which means that he must "figure out" things differently, from a communalistic, and no longer from an individualistic basis; also that he must "cut a figure" full of social implications and guided by a social or group purpose. This indeed is nothing short of a metamorphosis. Out of the chrysalis the butterfly now emerges. And the butterfly feeds upon the nectar of flowers, the ambrosia of the gods — of those who live fully in terms of the cosmic or planetary whole.

http://khaldea.com/rudhyar/nmnm/nmnm_p1_c11.php

Hmm that makes sense. It makes sense also to be the house of gains simply said. You will gain from a community. If 10th is your career for example, you can't gain without your customers, boss, co workers and so on, which would be the 11th. A community working towards a common goal.

I think people don't realize what a visionary Saturn can be too. He's been butchered with his name as Lord of Karma. However ,let's say you have in mind your perfect career. But it's scary, you keep procrastinating or pushing it aside. Saturn will prolly deny you all ****** jobs just because he sees on the future and wants to set you up on the right path. Even if this happens after 5 or 10 years. Because Saturn has a vision for your best future. That's also very Aquarian.

The only difference here is Saturn is a very traditional planet as well as Capricorn. However the Uranus in Capricorn generation is here to break traditions. Because Uranus is mostly a rebel. It rebels against traditions that is views as outdated and no longer working. However , Uranus much as Saturn may bring the necessary "evil" needed for evolution.
 

Frisiangal

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Btw, I really like the words "Modernist" and "Tradtionalist", in place of "Modern" and "Traditional". I'm going to use them. Maybe the boards chould be changed to that effect.

Yuks; no way.:eek:

Doesn't modern/traditional describe the 'style' of a craft itself, and modernist/traditionalist to the person applying it?

Change one would mean changing all to see conformity without discrimination.
Natalist, Vedicist, Medicist, Electionist, Spiritualist Astrology just doesn't sound right ….. let alone look right on the boards.:andy::tongue:
 

david starling

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Yuks; no way.:eek:

Doesn't modern/traditional describe the 'style' of a craft itself, and modernist/traditionalist to the person applying it?

Change one would mean changing all to see conformity without discrimination.
Natalist, Vedicist, Medicist, Electionist, Spiritualist Astrology just doesn't sound right ….. let alone look right on the boards.:andy::tongue:

J.A. just used it to describe "Modern astrology". It's about the PRACTICE of astrology using the Outermosts and asteroids,
"Traditional" co-opts the word "Tradition", which has a much more general meaning. For example Vedic is "Traditional" in the East. Modern is a continuation of the "Tradition of astrology", and is therefore traditional in it's own right. I don't think any of the others you mention should be changed, because their meanings are specific enough as they are.
Maybe "Modernistic" and "Tradtionalistic", nicknamed Mod and Trad.
 
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david starling

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Okay, so in Old School, Saturn is Domicle-ruler of both Cap and Aqua, and :uranus: doesn't rule a Sign at all.
In Contemporary, :uranus: shares Aqua as Domicile with Saturn, OR, :uranus: is the ONLY Domicle-ruler of Aqua, and Saturn is Domicle-ruler only of Cap. :cool:
 

wilsontc

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Modern astrology ONLY, to All

All,

Please ONLY discuss modern astrology. Some of these posts have become a modern vs. traditional astrology post which is NOT allowed on the modern astrology forum. Those posts have been DELETED.

Back to Modern Astrology,

Tim
 
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