General question about relocation charts

EJ53

EJ53

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noideaaboutastro said:
....Can you tell me what you are talking about more and explain it to me a bit more in reference to my chart?
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Ok Noeye......Interceptions/duplications are shown in your natal chart as follows :-

The signs of Aquarius and Leo do not appear on any house cusp......So, they are "intercepted signs"......(And, if there were any planets in these signs, they would be "intercepted planets").

The 11th and 12th house cusps both have Libra on the cusp.......So, they are "duplicated houses"..........The 5th and 6th houses are also duplicated, because Aries is on the cusp of both.

Individuals cannot fully express the positive qualities of intercepted signs and planets until they learn (through hard experience in life) how to do so.....Which few people ever do until they are well into old age......Hence, if you can remove interceptions through relocation, it probably makes sense to do so.

Duplicated houses exist only in charts containing intercepted signs, but tend to be easier to spot.......So, they alert us to the less obvious interceptions that might otherwise go unnoticed.
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.....are there certain areas that can be seen in relocation charts? Such as, career, relationships, children etc?
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Yes.......Look upon the relocated chart as the natal chart of the "New You"....and interpret it in exactly the way you would interpret any natal chart.

EJ:smile:
 
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R4VEN

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I have read through this thread, and have shared much of noideaaboutastro's frustration and misunderstanding. However, have now managed to crack it, I think, using astro.com's relocation chart facility.

As someone who still lives less than 50 miles from where I was born, I have had to find a guines pig on which to research this topic. I have done a relocation chart for my niece, who has lived in the UK for around 10 years, and although she travels back to Oz regularly, her visits just reaffirm for her that she `belongs' in the UK.
Her charts from where she was born to relocate her in Bristol UK almost totally flip her chart, so that her huge Virgo stellium is now in the 12th, rather than the 7th.

I can certaily `see' her true nature (at least, as I observe her) in her natal chart from Australia, but the changes with relocation are interesting, I think. On her relocation chart, certain things emerge, some of which are:

  • Chiron in the 7th, rather than the 1st - all the men with whom she has been involved while in UK have `problems', often with backgrounds of severe abuse. This did not happen when she was in Aust.
  • Saturn in 8th, ruling IC - every time she comes back `home' she feels frustrated and blocked, usually by her father, whom she says does not understand her choices, even though she desperately wants his approval. (Saturn still forms the apex to her Yod, so this focus now is being projected firmly towards the IC/roots)
  • Uranus (part of the Yod) now closely conj ASC, so she is seen as being rebellious and non-conformist - particularly by her father and brother, both of whom are quite conservative
  • and lastly, from Sag MC, where she was always travelling, and forever searching for `something', her relocated MC is Cancer, and she appears much more at home where she is in UK, and has no difficulty in creating work. She also works from home.
 
noideaaboutastro

noideaaboutastro

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EJ53 said:
Ok Noeye......Interceptions/duplications are shown in your natal chart as follows :-

The signs of Aquarius and Leo do not appear on any house cusp......So, they are "intercepted signs"......(And, if there were any planets in these signs, they would be "intercepted planets").

The 11th and 12th house cusps both have Libra on the cusp.......So, they are "duplicated houses"..........The 5th and 6th houses are also duplicated, because Aries is on the cusp of both.

Individuals cannot fully express the positive qualities of intercepted signs and planets until they learn (through hard experience in life) how to do so.....Which few people ever do until they are well into old age......Hence, if you can remove interceptions through relocation, it probably makes sense to do so.

Duplicated houses exist only in charts containing intercepted signs, but tend to be easier to spot.......So, they alert us to the less obvious interceptions that might otherwise go unnoticed.
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Yes.......Look upon the relocated chart as the natal chart of the "New You"....and interpret it in exactly the way you would interpret any natal chart.

EJ:smile:
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Thanks EJ. A bit hard to understand and decipher for me but I'll try!
 
noideaaboutastro

noideaaboutastro

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R4VEN said:
I have read through this thread, and have shared much of noideaaboutastro's frustration and misunderstanding. However, have now managed to crack it, I think, using astro.com's relocation chart facility.

As someone who still lives less than 50 miles from where I was born, I have had to find a guines pig on which to research this topic. I have done a relocation chart for my niece, who has lived in the UK for around 10 years, and although she travels back to Oz regularly, her visits just reaffirm for her that she `belongs' in the UK.
Her charts from where she was born to relocate her in Bristol UK almost totally flip her chart, so that her huge Virgo stellium is now in the 12th, rather than the 7th.

I can certaily `see' her true nature (at least, as I observe her) in her natal chart from Australia, but the changes with relocation are interesting, I think. On her relocation chart, certain things emerge, some of which are:

  • Chiron in the 7th, rather than the 1st - all the men with whom she has been involved while in UK have `problems', often with backgrounds of severe abuse. This did not happen when she was in Aust.
  • Saturn in 8th, ruling IC - every time she comes back `home' she feels frustrated and blocked, usually by her father, whom she says does not understand her choices, even though she desperately wants his approval. (Saturn still forms the apex to her Yod, so this focus now is being projected firmly towards the IC/roots)
  • Uranus (part of the Yod) now closely conj ASC, so she is seen as being rebellious and non-conformist - particularly by her father and brother, both of whom are quite conservative
  • and lastly, from Sag MC, where she was always travelling, and forever searching for `something', her relocated MC is Cancer, and she appears much more at home where she is in UK, and has no difficulty in creating work. She also works from home.
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May I borrow your analysis and try and apply it to my chart? Sorry but I'm still frustrated:w00t:! lol

  • Chiron is natally in 8th but here comes into 3rd house. However I don't think my Chiron is actually connected to relationships but to my experiences in life. Could it be that here I experience pain with neighbours and close associates? Or that the fact that I'm an only child gets whipped up even more?
  • Here my IC is in Cancer, which means I should feel more at home. However I do not. Can anybody help me understand why I don't feel at home here when my IC is in Cancer?
TIA)).

EJ, I was also a bit perplexed at what you said about the 'new' you. I thought that the natal chart still had overwhelming importance, and the relocation chart wasn't really what was being seeing but just a different coloured lense being put on??? Sort of to that effect, no?
 
EJ53

EJ53

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R4VEN said:
I have shared much of noideaaboutastro's frustration and misunderstanding. However, have now managed to crack it, I think, using astro.com's relocation chart facility.
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Yes, I've kicked over a few tables too.......Astro.com make it easy but, otherwise, manually adjusting for time zones and daylight savings can be :andy:

I can certainly `see' my daughter's true nature (at least, as I observe her) in her natal chart from Australia, but the changes with relocation are interesting, I think.
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Like you R4VEN, I know only one person who has relocated far enough from their birthplace for it to make a difference........So, it's hard to get experience/practice in working with relocated charts......However, there seems to be a few astrologers specialising in this service on the internet....And I wouldn't be surprised if the demand for it increases in the future......(if thinking about emigrating to another country, I'd certainly be prepared to pay for a Relocation Report from a competent astrologer).


...Saturn in 8th, ruling IC - every time she comes back `home' she feels frustrated and blocked.......Uranus now closely conj ASC, so she is seen as being rebellious and non-conformist - particularly by her father and brother, both of whom are quite conservative
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But, how do these manifest in England/the relocation?.......Do they help or hinder her here?

Noeye said:
.....Chiron is natally in 8th but here comes into 3rd house. However I don't think my Chiron is actually connected to relationships but to my experiences in life. Could it be that here I experience pain with neighbours and close associates? Or that the fact that I'm an only child gets whipped up even more?
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Chiron in Gemini makes us feel "poor at communicating", and therefore socially inept.......in the 3rd, it may indeed be seen in problems with neighbours, etc.....And, in another location it may appear in a different way.....But, wherever you reside, the solution remains the same.....Improving your communication skills will enhance your relationships/experiences/life.

....Here my IC is in Cancer, which means I should feel more at home. However I do not. Can anybody help me understand why I don't feel at home here when my IC is in Cancer?
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Maybe the discomfort comes from the ruler of the 4th being Moon in Virgo/5th...........where it needs to have creative work and be financially secure to feel comfortable.

EJ, I was also a bit perplexed at what you said about the 'new' you. I thought that the natal chart still had overwhelming importance, and the relocation chart wasn't really what was being seeing but just a different coloured lense being put on??? Sort of to that effect, no?
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Yes, the natal chart over-rides.......We cannot change our character by relocating (That requires years of experience and effort).......But relocation does change the way our character is perceived by others.......They see a "new us" (through the eyes of a new culture)........which is reflected by our natal chart planets/characteristics now being in different houses....We haven't changed the natal issues in our chart - only the experiences/people through which we shall encounter them.

Thanks EJ. A bit hard to understand and decipher for me but I'll try!
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You don't need to understand interceptions.......Just avoid relocating to a place that produces a chart with the same sign on more than one house cusp.

EJ:smile:
 
astrologer50

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noideaaboutastrol,

....Here my IC is in Cancer, which means I should feel more at home. However I do not. Can anybody help me understand why I don't feel at home here when my IC is in Cancer?
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EJ53,
Maybe the discomfort comes from the ruler of the 4th being Moon in Virgo/5th...........where it needs to have creative work and be financially secure to feel comfortable.
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I know I've come very late on this thread and just read it through for first time. Just a couple of thoughts regarding the above then...

Your Virgo Moon and cancer IC both these signs to me are worriers, and Virgo is conj 6th house cusp (within 5' is considered functioning in next house) whereas natally it's in 11th (Equal house system which I use)

Wherever your moon is placed is where we seek nurturance and natally it's from friends, groups etc and is also involved in grand trine & kite but it's also restlessness twice over 1) cos it's mutable 2) cos it's moon.

In relocated chart it's now operating in 6th house ie; co-workers and type of work you do, daily routines and being of service to people.So this is where you would look for nurturance and be restless and that restlessness spills over into home roots IC. I have moon ruling 6th and simply could not function if there were lots of bitching and backstabbing going on or lots of nastiness and I bet your the same, it would have much bigger impact on your emotions.

In Equal house cancer rules your 8th house and is placed in 11th. Also in Equal house we don't have interceptions, each house cusp is the same as Asc.

Can't quite make out if you have actually done this relocation or whether you are still considering it?

There is a huge difference in Scorpio and Aries rising in fact they are quincunxed signs ie; 150' away from each other. Scorpio is a very private deeply analytical sign and plays its cards very close to it's chest, whereas Aries is straight upfront in your face and not afraid to say it, soon to flare up and down, very impatient and impulsive and very much and open book. Are you saying to me that people now see you as Aries rather than Scorpio?? Have you really become extreme opposite?

Last but not least Virgo Moon in relocated chart is quincunxed new Asc again emotionally not showing what's inside perhaps and finding it awkward to express and maybe they don't come out as intended?
 
noideaaboutastro

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astrologer50 said:
noideaaboutastrol,


EJ53,


I know I've come very late on this thread and just read it through for first time. Just a couple of thoughts regarding the above then...

Your Virgo Moon and cancer IC both these signs to me are worriers, and Virgo is conj 6th house cusp (within 5' is considered functioning in next house) whereas natally it's in 11th (Equal house system which I use)

Wherever your moon is placed is where we seek nurturance and natally it's from friends, groups etc and is also involved in grand trine & kite but it's also restlessness twice over 1) cos it's mutable 2) cos it's moon.

In relocated chart it's now operating in 6th house ie; co-workers and type of work you do, daily routines and being of service to people.So this is where you would look for nurturance and be restless and that restlessness spills over into home roots IC. I have moon ruling 6th and simply could not function if there were lots of bitching and backstabbing going on or lots of nastiness and I bet your the same, it would have much bigger impact on your emotions.

In Equal house cancer rules your 8th house and is placed in 11th. Also in Equal house we don't have interceptions, each house cusp is the same as Asc.

Can't quite make out if you have actually done this relocation or whether you are still considering it?

There is a huge difference in Scorpio and Aries rising in fact they are quincunxed signs ie; 150' away from each other. Scorpio is a very private deeply analytical sign and plays its cards very close to it's chest, whereas Aries is straight upfront in your face and not afraid to say it, soon to flare up and down, very impatient and impulsive and very much and open book. Are you saying to me that people now see you as Aries rather than Scorpio?? Have you really become extreme opposite?

Last but not least Virgo Moon in relocated chart is quincunxed new Asc again emotionally not showing what's inside perhaps and finding it awkward to express and maybe they don't come out as intended?
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Sorry for late reply, I see it's October now but I've only just returned to the forum. Astrologer50 and everybody else, I don't mean to be rude, you guys have really helped me out with this relocation stuff but I still find it hard to understand.

I will do a brief run down of some things that have happened recently. I've just come back from overseas, and I cannot explain how much I felt relieved and happy there, like I was free to be myself again. So I don't have any more doubts that right now where I live is the wrong place for me and I need to move as soon as I finish my degree (which is next year). Things do not go well for me in this part of the world.

Astrologer50, could you please let me know where I am going wrong with drawing up my chart if the houses aren't right? This is probably the most complex part of astrology for me for some reason, it's just hard to get my head around. I hope I am understanding things correctly, were you trying to say that where I live I will not feel nurtured and loved? This is exactly how I feel and it was exactly stark opposite as to how I felt overseas. Also, my relationship with my parents was honestly speaking always abusive where I live, I went overseas and we actually got mildly along! (not completely along, but we were civil and sort of loving). I spent half the night crying to my mother about how depressed I was about being back here and I never even talk to her, that's how much our relationship has improved.
 
yelena234

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I have read that we don't need Relocation Astrology because we can make Solar Return for new country and new city.

As I know we are born only once and not more times, what Relocation Chart shows. Why do two jobs if we can do just one?

I have lived in abroad and all my Solar Returns for there did work.

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waybread

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I think that solar return and relocation charts show very different things.

A solar return chart is a kind of transit chart, and is meant simply to indicate your year ahead. A relocation chart says something about how you change as a result of living in a new location. Generally people have to move a fair distance away from their birthplace to see much difference between their natal and relocation charts, unless they have some angles or planets that are right on a sign or house cusp.

Another type of chart (map actually) of interest is astro*carto*graphy or Astromap [available at www.astro.com under "special charts" or "AstroClick Travel"], which shows how you can move along planetary or angle lines in order to find a good place to live, or even take a vacation.
 
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yelena234 said:
I have read that we don't need Relocation Astrology because we can make Solar Return for new country and new city.

As I know we are born only once and not more times, what Relocation Chart shows. Why do two jobs if we can do just one?

I have lived in abroad and all my Solar Returns for there did work.

Y-
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A Solar return is like a birthday chart, it starts around your birthday, and shows the year's influences. If I have my solar return in New York, and 3 weeks later move to Seattle, I can't draw up a new solar return chart relocated to Seattle, because your solar return can't be "born" twice. When people do relocation charts it shows influences in that area for as long as you're there. 5 months, 5 years. so it's really a very different thing from a Solar return chart.
 
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Can I ask how one calculates for a relocation chart please. I was born and lived in UK for 23years but emigrated to Oz and have lived here for 40 years. I calculcated my birht time in Oz 10 hours ahead and it seems to fit quite well.:unsure:
 
R4VEN

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sewit said:
Can I ask how one calculates for a relocation chart please. I was born and lived in UK for 23years but emigrated to Oz and have lived here for 40 years. I calculcated my birht time in Oz 10 hours ahead and it seems to fit quite well.:unsure:
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There's a facility on astro.com for drawing up your birth chart for the UK, then using this info to have your relocation chart automatically calculated.

Click on Free Horoscopes, then Chart Drawing, Ascendant, put in your birth details to get your own birth chart, then:

Click on Extended Chart Section, and under Methods, open up the drop-down list and click on Relocation Chart. Under Options, you will have to modify your reference place to the location in which you are now living.
 
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