applesandlilacs
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Me personally I always consider the term "victimhood" as something more of a manipulative tool used by narcissistic personality types to justify their behavior towards others.
That being said I did play this card in my early twenties and I don't necessarily consider myself to be a narcissist though I do have an ego like all people. Mine stemmed from the fact that I was annoyed that I as an adult had to fix the s*** that other people broke in my life that I had nothing to do with. And to say I was livid could be an understatement.
I used to always say "we're the only species on this planet that has to spend 60 years getting over our first 18."
I also think if people haven't been taught good coping mechanisms in life and they don't know how to self-soothe, victimhood is kind of like a way of trying to do that for themselves. Since you need this resolution, but you don't know how to facilitate it, so this is the closest you get to it.
Some people don't realize they're not drowning. They literally think they're drowning, but it's just that nobody has ever told them just to stand up. That they're really only in two feet of water. They don't have "bigger picture" perspective. The question is in the long run do they want perspective?, do they want to have a better life?, do they think that they're capable of having a better life?, do they think they're worthy of having a better life?
I was drawn to astrology because I liked the idea of having a label to something I was feeling, it made it tangible for me. I felt more in control. Maybe, that is another concept to consider feeling powerless.
As for the natal chart I would say hard aspects from Saturn, Neptune, or Pluto to the Sun, Moon, or Chiron (house placement), maybe even Mercury since that is your information relay.
I was think what if someone comes off like a "victim", but doesn't feel that way, would that be planets in the first house in hard aspect?
My natal markers: Moon conjuncts Saturn(♍,11th) squares Neptune (♐,2nd) Mercury(♌,10th) squares Chiron-r(♉,7th).
That being said I did play this card in my early twenties and I don't necessarily consider myself to be a narcissist though I do have an ego like all people. Mine stemmed from the fact that I was annoyed that I as an adult had to fix the s*** that other people broke in my life that I had nothing to do with. And to say I was livid could be an understatement.
I used to always say "we're the only species on this planet that has to spend 60 years getting over our first 18."
I also think if people haven't been taught good coping mechanisms in life and they don't know how to self-soothe, victimhood is kind of like a way of trying to do that for themselves. Since you need this resolution, but you don't know how to facilitate it, so this is the closest you get to it.
Some people don't realize they're not drowning. They literally think they're drowning, but it's just that nobody has ever told them just to stand up. That they're really only in two feet of water. They don't have "bigger picture" perspective. The question is in the long run do they want perspective?, do they want to have a better life?, do they think that they're capable of having a better life?, do they think they're worthy of having a better life?
I was drawn to astrology because I liked the idea of having a label to something I was feeling, it made it tangible for me. I felt more in control. Maybe, that is another concept to consider feeling powerless.
As for the natal chart I would say hard aspects from Saturn, Neptune, or Pluto to the Sun, Moon, or Chiron (house placement), maybe even Mercury since that is your information relay.
I was think what if someone comes off like a "victim", but doesn't feel that way, would that be planets in the first house in hard aspect?
My natal markers: Moon conjuncts Saturn(♍,11th) squares Neptune (♐,2nd) Mercury(♌,10th) squares Chiron-r(♉,7th).