Minor grand trine with outlet to the asc

I have taken the liberty of redrawing your natal chart, as I wanted to see what your progressed moon was doing...

What struck me straight away was progressed venus conj POF, very nice:biggrin:
Prog Asc is just about to change signs into libra...

Prog moon is just about to change signs into Saggi/fire for next 2.5years.
t Saturn is conj progressed sun but should be off within a month or so. It is conj IC now, have been thinking about moving house at all?

Now, onto Parallels. Saturn/uranus are contra parallel, which acts like an opposition, as these two don't have a natal connection you might like to research this.

Thanks for that! Yes, I posted a horay last night about buying a bigger house...doesn't look too good, though.

I noticed this saturn conjunct progressed sun...and my bf's sun is natally 25 degrees libra as well...so....we may get a bit depressed and sit around the house a bit...

Also my progressed venus is trining my natal mc....no wonder i got all that venus/libra action going on...i'm in love and my life has gotten immesurably better in the last year....i mean night and day...:happy: Thanks again...
 
Oh really? what school of astrology did you study at?

Planets conjunct a house cusp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202304&postcount=7
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=205033#post205033
Planets conj House cusp
“Ascendant at 15’ Libra and Jupiter 13’ Libra. That would place Jupiter in the 12th house, right? But many thoughtful astrologers would read this as Jupiter being conjunction with Ascendant, and end up reading it as bringing its action to bear in the first house, rather than in the 12th.
This same idea would apply for each and every house cusp. If the planet is IN THE SAME SIGN as the sign on the next house cusp, and close enough to be CONJUNCT WITH that next house cusp, the action of the planet will be directed into oncoming house”
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14887
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125412&postcount=4
Ptolemy says the influence of the house begins to be felt 5° before the actual cusp.
http://www.astrologycom.com/houses.html

“Astrologers have seen a body influencing the house it is about to enter, time and time again. All theorizing aside, the planet casting its shadow ahead works. I can speak from personal experience, as well as reading ancient texts. If you discover this as true, then the next question may be, "Just how close must a body be to a cusp before it begins to be felt in the neighboring house?"
I've seen some authors say 3 degrees. I've seen some that give 5 degrees. I have seen some that even give 8 degrees. And there may be other variations.”
http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/90c9f417-5086-4ff0-b31f-c904fe99baca

I understand you have a broader knowledge base in regards to astrology than I. I respect that, but when you push an opinion that is completely arguable and state it as a fact (my moon is too far from the asc) then I will not hesitate to assert my opinion which is that a valid deviation from the normal orb (in light of my own feelings and experiences and the fact it is a luminary we're talking about and NOT pluto, a chart should be read as a whole and sometimes deviations from the norm make sense in a given chart with other supporting aspects/planets are underlining the themes) is sometimes appropriate. :whistling:
 

Rebel Uranian

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Don't planets only affect the appearance within 3 degrees of the Ascendant even if they're on the house cusp at 5 degrees before and counted in that house? This particular question mostly has to do with my chart, sorry...

Also, you look like a Virgo rising person, not very lunar. You can't really go by that.

I don't think astrofaces is very accurate even if hypothetically all the information was right because they don't look at aspects or whether the Sun or Moon are actually positioned on angles. The Sun and Moon are not physical planets, even when domiciled.
 
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Don't planets only affect the appearance within 3 degrees of the Ascendant even if they're on the house cusp at 5 degrees before and counted in that house?

Yes, you are right. But I feel the moon affects my ascendant, so any planet aspecting your ascendant will alter your looks somewhat...
 
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miquar

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Hi twelthnight. I'm sorry to see you've been on the receiving end of some dodgy remarks on this thread. I hope you do take up astrology seriously as your chart and your posts suggest an inclination towards the kind of synthesis which I strive for and which I believe makes astrology really worthwhile.

I use small orbs myself but Liz Greene, probably about the most respected living psychological astrologer, uses 10 degree orbs for all major aspects, and with great effect. Her rationale behind this, as I understand it, is that even though wider aspects are less compelling, they can be cultivated by the individual. And I guess it depends on the overall chart and the life circumstances whether a wide aspect will be cultivated or just disappear into the background to a large extent.

My own view of your tendency to wear your heart on your sleeve is that it is largely relfected by the Moon being in Leo (on a Guaquelin power point if you go for all that), with the Moon's ruler (the Sun) being in the first house, which in turn is ruled by Mercury on the Ascedndant. Also the Mars and Jupiter in Cancer in the 11th is probably relevant. Moon in the 12th isn't necessarily hidden - the 12th symbolises a part of the psyche through which we fuse with others, and so planets here can leak out quite easily. And Saturn conjunct Moon can reflect an urge to one's emotional life manifested in the material realm in some way. And as you say, your Moon could be read as conjunct the Ascendant.
 
Hi twelthnight. I'm sorry to see you've been on the receiving end of some dodgy remarks on this thread. I hope you do take up astrology seriously as your chart and your posts suggest an inclination towards the kind of synthesis which I strive for and which I believe makes astrology really worthwhile.

I use small orbs myself but Liz Greene, probably about the most respected living psychological astrologer, uses 10 degree orbs for all major aspects, and with great effect. Her rationale behind this, as I understand it, is that even though wider aspects are less compelling, they can be cultivated by the individual. And I guess it depends on the overall chart and the life circumstances whether a wide aspect will be cultivated or just disappear into the background to a large extent.

My own view of your tendency to wear your heart on your sleeve is that it is largely relfected by the Moon being in Leo (on a Guaquelin power point if you go for all that), with the Moon's ruler (the Sun) being in the first house, which in turn is ruled by Mercury on the Ascedndant. Also the Mars and Jupiter in Cancer in the 11th is probably relevant. Moon in the 12th isn't necessarily hidden - the 12th symbolises a part of the psyche through which we fuse with others, and so planets here can leak out quite easily. And Saturn conjunct Moon can reflect an urge to one's emotional life manifested in the material realm in some way. And as you say, your Moon could be read as conjunct the Ascendant.

Thanks, Miquar.
That's alright. I appreciate all the responses. I know my thoughts on that orb are a little controversial. Love the additional info...i'll have to check out the guaquelin power point....also i love the visual of "the moon's ruler being in the first house which in turn is ruled by mercury on the ascendant" kind of like a bucket waterfall :biggrin: And thanks for reminding me about 12th house being leaky....i think that's what was going on when i was younger...i didn't realise i was projecting saddness....i was just feeling it....now i'm more aware of my impact. Good point again about moon/saturn in the material world...i had read that before, and it makes sense....i feel compelled to make things, bring form to ideas....and i DO love me some Liz Greene...maybe as i learn more about astrology i will see how all of those other aspects and placements can "feel" like moon conjunct asc....thanks for the encouragement!
 
let's see where moon rules and is posited. Cancer rules 11th and moon posited 12th..

Ruler of the Eleventh House in the Twelfth House
You may prefer to keep your fondest hopes and wishes to yourself. Some of your friends and acquaintances may be people you knew in a past life. Or, there may be a hidden element to those relationships. Illusion could also play a part.You could have a desire to serve humankind altruistically or help other people in a behind-the-scenes capacity. This astrological influence can also denote a relationship to secret organizations. Your unusual ideas can lead to your own undoing. This possibility can manifest as a result of extremely radical approaches. Diplomacy and the inclusion of others can only help your causes.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr11

perhaps some more research on 12th house and how they function

12th house planets/aspects
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/dkfArtTwelfthHouse.htm
http://www.gotohoroscope.com/houses-in-chart-12th.html
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoun...rmaHouse12.htm
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses-sun.html#Twelfth

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_dgtwehouse_e.htm
http://12th.tribe.net/thread/c160721f-6268-42d8-bf31-897977f99188
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/The_12th_house
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Mercury-Venus-in-the-twelfth-house-12th-house.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusinhouses.html

Research threads on AW
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3173&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+shouse
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house
 
If we look further into 5th house matters, romance, children creativity we see it's ruler posited in 12th

Ruler of the Fifth House in the Twelfth House
Some of your love affairs may take place behind the scenes or you may choose to keep your romantic activities to yourself. Given a choice you'd rather keep your social activities private. You enjoy being by yourself at times and you can do some of your finest creative work while spending some time alone.​
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr5

All 12th house planets have difficulty in expressing those energies and this house *dissolves* planetary energies, merging with the unmergable.

Chart ruler mercury is retrograde (going backwards) and afflicted by dreamy neptune, which is basically MIS communications, going out and coming in, good for imagination, creative writing but is notorious for reading to much between the lines, going both ways. "there's man a slip between cup and lip."
 

miquar

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No problem twelthnight. Its worth checking out the Centre for Psychological Astrology seminar transcripts that have been published, especially the Liz Greene ones.
 
If we look further into 5th house matters, romance, children creativity we see it's ruler posited in 12th

Ruler of the Fifth House in the Twelfth House


All 12th house planets have difficulty in expressing those energies and this house *dissolves* planetary energies, merging with the unmergable.

Chart ruler mercury is retrograde (going backwards) and afflicted by dreamy neptune, which is basically MIS communications, going out and coming in, good for imagination, creative writing but is notorious for reading to much between the lines, going both ways. "there's man a slip between cup and lip."

astro50, are you seriously going through my chart to disprove my credibilty? I wouldn't recommend that, or people might think this is a mean spirited site and choose not to post their charts for fear of attack.
 

miquar

Well-known member
All 12th house planets have difficulty in expressing those energies and this house *dissolves* planetary energies, merging with the unmergable.

Often, but not always. There are lots of examples of people expressing their 12th house planets with great effect, for example Margaret Thatcher has a 12th house Sun. The Guaqelin research also showed that people are more likely to pursue a vocation that involves a planet in the 12th house than anywhere else in the chart.

Its like the 7th house which can reflect energies given away to a partner, or energies which one can express oneself, and especially readily through the experience of partnership. The 12th can describe energies lost to the collective unconscious, or energies which one can own, and express most readily in a way that touches the collective unconscious of others. Thatcher's Sun is clearly an example of the latter. One could argue that she was in part a puppet of fate acting out a collective yearning for a political move to the right, but not that her Sun was hidden or that she had no will.
 
12th house is a difficult house to analyse and how these express is not easy. My aim is to dangle the carrot as my signature says. Credibility goes both ways...

read what members here WITH 12th house planets say about their placements and how they have so much trouble trying to reach, use and express them. please read them. You have soooo much neptune sun/neptune, and 3planets 12th it's important you 'find yourself' in research and you have come to the right place to do this...
 
Often, but not always. There are lots of examples of people expressing their 12th house planets with great effect, for example Margaret Thatcher has a 12th house Sun. The Guaqelin research also showed that people are more likely to pursue a vocation that involves a planet in the 12th house than anywhere else in the chart.

Its like the 7th house which can reflect energies given away to a partner, or energies which one can express oneself, and especially readily through the experience of partnership. The 12th can describe energies lost to the collective unconscious, or energies which one can own, and express most readily in a way that touches the collective unconscious of others. Thatcher's Sun is clearly an example of the latter. One could argue that she was in part a puppet of fate acting out a collective yearning for a political move to the right, but not that her Sun was hidden or that she had no will.
I doubt whether anyone on AW has a personal connection with here to verify how it plays out, maybe she had to go to a room and half an hour alone to think or require 'silence' occasionally. Having the sun in 12th does not mean to ME that a person has no will, that's ridiculous. It will/should add a sort of self sacrificing element, they didn't call her the *Iron lady* for nothing. That doesn't come from someone with NO will does it...

I have heard that sun in 12th can suggest someone being bullied at school, maybe even family not aware of this, or to ashamed to admit it. There can be lots of things with these planets, point is the don't act *overtly* they may have to be more subtle at getting what they want.
 
12th house is a difficult house to analyse and how these express is not easy. My aim is to dangle the carrot as my signature says. Credibility goes both ways...

read what members here WITH 12th house planets say about their placements and how they have so much trouble trying to reach, use and express them. please read them. You have soooo much neptune sun/neptune, and 3planets 12th it's important you 'find yourself' in research and you have come to the right place to do this...

You have no idea...most of my life i was a voice in the chorus of suffering...i know too well about what all of those 12th house posters are talking about. I went though a major life change which involved me being completely abandoned and isolated in serious poverty and depression...thousands of miles and an ocean away from my home country and everyone with 2 kids under 3. I started a business and did everything on my own with what felt like everyone laughing at me...well it was successful. Not only that, but i learned to value myself and believe in myself...i am no longer plauged by all my old 12th house fears at all....

believe it or not, i am the strongest person i know, and i know a lot of strong people :)
 

miquar

Well-known member
Astrologer50. I really feel you've lost all sense of proportion on this thread. You do seem to be out to discredit the disclosures of a clearly self-aware person, rather than listen to the person and learn more about astrology. Your last post about Thatcher doesn't make sense to me. Better to approach a thread with something to learn rather than something to prove. Sorry to have to say these things, but its how I feel. I hope twelthnight doesn't avoid the forum as a result of this thread, as that would be a real shame.
 
Astrologer50. I really feel you've lost all sense of proportion on this thread. You do seem to be out to discredit the disclosures of a clearly self-aware person, rather than listen to the person and learn more about astrology. Your last post about Thatcher doesn't make sense to me. Better to approach a thread with something to learn rather than something to prove. Sorry to have to say these things, but its how I feel. I hope twelthnight doesn't avoid the forum as a result of this thread, as that would be a real shame.

it was you that veered off into sun in 12th (which wasn't applicable in this instance inanyevent)

twelthnight, I apolgise if I have upset in any way, this was not my intention. moon conj Saturn in Cappi does show financial hardships in childhood and hard domestic circumstances.
 
it was you that veered off into sun in 12th (which wasn't applicable in this instance inanyevent)

twelthnight, I apolgise if I have upset in any way, this was not my intention. moon conj Saturn in Cappi does show financial hardships in childhood and hard domestic circumstances.

actually, it just makes me feel proud of all that i've come through. those of us mired in the 12th house can be seen as unlucky, but MY GAWD once you learn the lessons and go through your wilderness you are THE IRON LADY :w00t:
 
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