Psychiatry and Astrology

AppLeo said:

Okay thank you JupiterASC

Time to get back on topic!

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AppLeo said:

Obviously.
Whoa, whoa JupiterASC. You make me out to be a terrible person

1) Psychiatrists do not medicate people against their will.
I don't even know where you're getting that.
People can decide whether or not they want to take medication or not.
My therapist said that she may have to turn me to a psychiatrist if I don't resolve my problems naturally and I told her that I'm going to resolve them without medication no matter what. I didn't choose to medicate. People who choose to medicate are "taking the easy way out."

A lot of people choose to medicate despite them not even trying to fix their problem like how normal people should. IF people are willing to buy the medication for quick fixes from a psychiatrist then I don't really see the problem.

2) Psychiatrists can't wave a magic wand and help people automatically fix their problems anyway. If you come to a psychiatrist with severe mental problems what are they supposed to do??? Medication is the only answer to these things because people usually don't want to fix or deal with the problem immediately and the psychiatrist wants to make money, so I don't see a problem with people with drugs. I mean like, if you have schizophrenia, you have the weigh the side affects of the medications you take to the actual mental illness of schizophrenia...either way your life is going to suck.

3) If people die from medication that's on them.
You are responsible for your own health not a doctor.
A doctor can provide the tools and the skills, but ultimately it's up to you.

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then there is clearly no need for doctors

JUPITERASC said:

in fact, regarding psychotropic medication
people quite rightly frequently resist ingesting it
only to find themselves incarcerated in a secure psychiatric hospital
forced to ingest medication “for their own good”
irrespective of their complaints
they have no choice.

Others who have no choice include children
unable to defend themselves
against adults who label them with various “disorders”
and then force them to take medication such as Ritalin


Prescription drugs are not the sole remedy
there are multiple alternatives

doctors provide medication because they have too many patients
and insufficient time to spend searching for an appropriate treatment

medication is a "quick fix"

however
once on medication, people are frequently hooked for life
which is fine for Big Pharma
but a tragedy for the prescription drug takers
who are on a never ending cycle of needing more pills to treat the side-effects

So you have accepted that "people buying drugs keeps the economy going"
and that;s fine by you
irrespective of their suffering serious side effects that could include death

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AppLeo said:

Okay thank you JupisterASC

I realize that we disagree and that I'm cold-hearted
and that you feel like these drugs have gone crazy,
but I honestly don't care.
I'm clearly ignorant on the whole thing,
not in the mood to argue a position that I didn't research,
and I was thinking about becoming a psychiatrist
so I, of course, wanted to defend that position;
but I don't want to anymore.

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Samantha Bean said:

This was the original discussion question:

Is it possible for someone to practice both psychiatry and astrology as a real job?

It appears to have morphed into a lets hate psychiatry discussion.

Is there anyway to get it back to the original question which I, for one, thought was kind of interesting.

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katydid said:

I have met a lot of astrologers who had their MFCC certificates--
Masters in Marriage and Family Child Counseling
---and it seems to be a very good fit.

I wanted to get mine at one point, but being a SAHM kind of sidetracked me at the time.

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JUPITERASC said:

So having established that you don't care.....



One wonders how many practising psychiatrists use astrology
and whether any of our forum members are practising psychiatrists

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waybread said:

Carl Jung has made a lasting impact on psychological astrology. But the term "psychological" has to be understood very loosely, as few of its practitioners were seriously informed by psychology.

Jung is no longer taught in North American university psychology departments, except as a historical footnote.

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craft94 said:

Not true. At my school, Jung is taught the most.

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waybread said:

AppLeo, you may reach a point where you just cannot argue with JA. JA is a reclusive individual with a personal hatred and fear of psychiatry. It's a bit like pursuing a squid, who, when challenged, throws out a cloud of ink.

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waybread said:

AppLeo, you may reach a point where you just cannot argue with JA.
JA is a reclusive individual
with a personal hatred and fear of psychiatry.

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waybread said:

It's a bit like pursuing a squid, who, when challenged, throws out a cloud of ink.

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Well, you would know
one assumes there are squads of squids inhabiting the reclusive confines of the Canadian Rockies
which is where you reside - not a densely populated area by all accounts

waybread said:

AppLeo, you may reach a point where you just cannot argue with JA.
JA is a reclusive individual with a personal hatred and fear of psychiatry.
It's a bit like pursuing a squid, who, when challenged, throws out a cloud of ink.

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AppLeo said:

No kidding

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No kidding indeed

craft94 said:

To answer AppLeos question,
I'm not aware of any law that states psychiatrists can't use astrology to influence their work
and I'm sure there are many do,
as I know for a fact many psychologists do.
Whether or not other professionals look down on this is another story.

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craft94 said:

As for the debate between Waybread and JupiterAsc, I think Waybread's comments are rude
and there's no need to personally attack,
but I hate it when people are dogmatic about medication one way or another.
Different individuals respond differently to different drugs
and every good psychiatrist is aware of this, but oftentimes,
psychiatrists will ignore the needs of the patients altogether.
Some people respond better to alternative methods of treatment
and that's fine too.
Most people benefit best from a combination of things.

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AppLeo said:

I'm sorry JupiterASC ):

Don't be offended.
I don't think Waybread said that in a malicious fashion; she was just joking.

We're still on good terms right?
I'm sorry about the psychiatrist thing.
Just forget what I said. I think you're totally right.

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WB enjoys a good joke
she and I have been joking around for a few years now on this forum
she's so droll when she says she's contacting moderators forthwith
hilarious.......

however
You say you are studying psychology

AppLeo said:

I'm taking AP Psychology
and Jung has only been mentioned once this year for a tiny thing.
He's definitely not the main focus psychology.

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Psychology is a voluminous subject
as you shall discover
I encourage you to persevere

JUPITERASC said:

Psychology is a voluminous subject
as you shall discover
I encourage you to persevere

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Oddity said:

Were you going to be a psychiatrist, the most useful skill would be horary. E.g., will the treatment/medicine help?

But I'm pretty sure you'd get into a lot of legal trouble if anyone found out you were using it.

So it's a balancing act.

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AppLeo said:

Being a practicing psychiatrist and astrologer
was something I randomly thought of.
I don't think I really want to now.
And now I really don't want to because you mentioned horary.

Sorry, but in my personal opinion horary doesn't cut it for me.

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To qualify as a psychiatrist requires seven years at least of study and exams
similarly
to reach a level of horary proficiency as Oddity
requires many years of study and practice

Siriusly.... No one would be accepted as a practicing psychiatrist
if they attempted to convince others that they qualified by posting on our forum
for just a year

It is simply unrealistic to assume one has "completely mastered horary"
after one short year randomly posting ones opinions on an online forum
where there is no coherent structure to learning
with no accredited qualified teachers presenting a variety of methodologies
comparing and contrasting each impartially

The fact is that would require a considerable amount of time
and no one on our forum is paid to do that kind of in depth work
members all tend to have day jobs
Clearly there are expert horarists who do not post on our forum
Obviously our forum does not cover the whole range of horary instruction

AppLeo said:

I saw being an astrologer and psychiatrist
as like actually reading people's charts
to try and help them on a spiritual level
instead of just providing them drugs and moving on.

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AppLeo said:

I saw being an astrologer and psychiatrist as like actually reading people's charts to try and help them on a spiritual level instead of just providing them drugs and moving on.

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JUPITERASC said:

To qualify as a psychiatrist requires seven years at least of study and exams
similarly
to reach a level of horary proficiency as Oddity
requires many years of study and practice

Siriusly.... No one would be accepted as a practicing psychiatrist
if they attempted to convince others that they qualified by posting on our forum
for just a year

It is simply unrealistic to assume one has "completely mastered horary"
after one short year randomly posting ones opinions on an online forum
where there is no coherent structure to learning
with no accredited qualified teachers presenting a variety of methodologies
comparing and contrasting each impartially

The fact is that would require a considerable amount of time
and no one on our forum is paid to do that kind of in depth work
members all tend to have day jobs
Clearly there are expert horarists who do not post on our forum
Obviously our forum does not cover the whole range of horary instruction

You joined our forum just over a year ago on August 2015
Realistically, to reliably read peoples charts
requires a level of skill not possible to acquire in four short months
on an online astrological beginners forum
especially when one is busy at school with other studies
and the online forum is a part time fun activity.

Helping people on a spiritual level is the work of religious personnel

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