I can't tell what hour and min they signed the declaration of independence on July 4...
what do you guys say?
I am not sure about the hour and min again.
Nope, this is the true chart.
I've made four accurate, to the day and what would occur, predictions using it since I figured it out that it is the only chart to use back in March of 2013.
Four correct predictions and no misses. Four for Four.
All four of those predictions are posted here in the forum, in unedited posts, made some months before the dates given.
In two different posts, in two different threads, one in August and again in September of 2012, one of the dates I gave was December 14, 2012... Pluto was conjunct both the USA's natal Part of Termination and the Part of Repression, that day. I gave warning to watch for a 'False Flag' event as the "termination" was about the second amendment, the "repression" was soon to follow.
The carnage at Sandy Hook took place that day.
The USA's natal Part of Termination [Asc. + Uranus - Neptune] is at 07* Capricorn 58' 12".
[and please note that Uranus and Neptune are the "Significator" and the "Trigger" for this Part... which kind of stops that, "Uranus and Neptune aren't planets of astrological influence", protest movement to a dead halt, right in its tracks... or, at least one might think that it should've.]
The USA's natal Part of Repression [Asc. + Saturn - Pluto
...and please note that it is a Pluto "triggered" Part, so that kind of derails that whole "Pluto isn't a planet" campaign train, now, doesn't it?] is at 08* Capricorn 42' 41".
The first shot at Sandy Hook, that day, occurred 20 minutes in time before Pluto was in exact conjunction with the USA's Part of Repression. which amounts to one second of a degree in difference.
As it takes Pluto 247.9 years to make a complete orbit around the Sun, wouldn't you say that being within 20 minutes of the precise conjunction r.e. one second of one degree away, is either a very compelling piece of evidence that the chart I use is the real deal, or that I was the luckiest man on Earth that day and should have played every lottery I was able to get a bet on?
....and I've never won any big money on the lottery games even after 36 years of trying.
The other two dates, also given in a post in this forum, were made in October of 2012 [
I think it was October, it may have been the month before, or after, of 2012] and they are April 15th, 2013 and April 18th, 2013.
Uranus was conjunct the USA's natal Part of Transformation [Asc. + Uranus - Mars ...
and please note that the Part of Transformation is a Uranus ""Significator" Part. Which kind of derails that whole "Uranus isn't a Planet of Astrological effect', campaign train now, doesn't it? ... or at the least, should have.]on April 15th, and it was conjunct the USA's natal Part of Liberty, aka Part of Personal Liberty, on April 18th.
On April 15th, 2013 there was the bombing of the Boston Marathon and on the 18th near martial law was declared in Boston as the manhunt for the two alleged conspirators was on full tilt...not a civilian was on the streets...only law enforcement personnel.
The birth of the United States as a nation wasn't a physical birth as like that of a biological woman giving birth to a child, but rather it was a birth in the collective minds of the citizens of those 13 colonies
The agreement was that as of July 4th, 1776, the thirteen colonies were henceforth, from then on, 13 united States. The agreement was made a couple of days before July 4th, 1776... it doesn't matter when one got the news, heard the announcement, as like that of a child born to a biological woman...j because it doesn't matter as to when you get the birth announcement, the childs' birth time, and place, aren't changed.
The Sabian Symbols for the USA's natal birth chart, i.e. the "WHO", "WHERE-TO", "HOW", AND "WHY" are spot on descriptive of what the nation was born as [the "WHO"] in the minds of its founders and as to how it developed [the "HOW"] and what it eventually became [the "WHERE-TO"]....as to "WHY", I find no fault in that Sabian Symbol, either.... and, OH that Part of Fortunes' Sabian Symbol... spot on, BULLSEYE, it is the description of the term, "Manifest Destiny" of the USA, for the USA.
Then, there's the timeline for the entire period of the Civil War... it's a cavalcade of corroborating evidence in the planetary aspects to the natal chart and the astrological Parts that were activated by the transiting planets at the time. It's really fascinating, mind boggling, almost overwhelmingly so... given what all was of Astrological effect to and by the USA's natal chart
I've hesitated to write a complete account of it as for the reason fellow member, Phoenix Venus, wishes to write a treatise, possibly a book, on the subject, and I don't want spoil it, or steal Her thunder.... even though I did produce the natal chart and gave the proof for its authenticity.
...but here's a little taste, a preview
...but if some of you members still refuse to accept it... [or maybe it's because you just can't recognize it?... but that would be pathetic.]
The USA's natal Part of Race & Racial Consciousness [aka Part of Galvanization, Asc. + Moon - Pluto] is at 10* Taurus 45' 14".
At the beginning of 1861 [the Civil War began on April 12, 1861] Pluto was at 07* Taurus 36' in retrograde. On April 12, 1861 Pluto was direct at 08* Taurus 35'. On June 14, 1861, Pluto, in direct motion, was within a one degree orb of conjunction to the Part of Race & Racial Consciousness at 09* Taurus 45'. Pluto went retrograde on August 9, 1861 at 10* Taurus 27'. It went beyond a one degree orb, in retrograde, on October 18, 1861.
At the beginning of 1862, on January 1, Pluto was at 08* Taurus 34'. It got within a one degree orb of conjunction, again, while in direct motion on April 23, 1862. It was exactly conjunct the Part on June 8, 1862. Pluto was still within a one degree orb of conjunction to the Part on August 10, 1862 when it went retrograde again.
On January 1, 1863, Pluto was still in retrograde at 09* Taurus 31' [just a bit beyond a one deg. orb.] It went direct again on January 24, 1863 at 09* Taurus 25' and was exactly conjunct the Part of Race & Racial Consciousness, again, on April 26, 1863. Pluto went retrograde on August 12, 1863 at 12* Taurus 20' and was exactly conjunct the Part, once again, on December 8, 1863.
At the beginning of 1864, on January 1, Pluto was at 10* Taurus 28' in retrograde. It went direct on January 24, at 10* Taurus 22'. Pluto went retrograde that year on August 12, at 13* Taurus 17'.
On January 1, 1865, Pluto was still retrograde at 11* Taurus 25', which was well within a one degree orb of conjunction to the Part of Race & Racial Consciousness. Pluto went direct again, on January 24, at 11* Taurus 19'.
On the day history books say the American Civil War ended, April 9, 1865 [although there were battles still fought in some parts of the country for months yet to come] Pluto was at 12* Taurus 12'... Mercury was at 09* Taurus 40' by the end of that day. Venus had been exactly conjunct that Part on March 16th, 1865, would go retrograde on April 16th and conjunct the Part again, in retrograde, on May 21, 1865... and conjunct once more in direct motion on June 7, 1865.
Now about the USA's Part of Retribution {Asc. + Sun - Mars] it happens to be at 13* Taurus 14' 47" ...and what the Union subjected the former Confederate States after the war was RETRIBUTION in all caps.
That's just what Pluto happened to be doing during the American Civil War... but, of course, one nust accept the real natal chart of the USA to be able to see it all for themselves. I have all the Astrological Parts derived from the USA's natal chart posted in a "Sticky" thread in the Astrological Parts sub-forum... which makes the study go so much smoother and swifter for anyone that wishes to take the time to do the timeline study and see for them selves...
...and, OH... I almost forgot to state what the data exactly is for the USA's true natal chart. I call it 'The Zero Hour" chart. Because it is cast for the first second of July 4, 1776, i.e. 12:00:01 a.m., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
You might want to read my analysis of the Sabian Symbols for the charts' axis, it's in a thread n the mundane sub forum... posted back in March, or April, of 2013.
The USA natal chart, r.e. "The Zero Hour" chart.