Will Trump become the first US Dictator?

Dirius said:

Oh I see... only 3 houses. Like every other normal hardworking individual doesn't he? I mean of course, he needs his two houses, that is normal for people who work for a living right? Then he needs his relaxation house. I see I see.

Its good his high salary, at the taxpayer's expense can afford him such a luxurious lifestyle so socialist bernie can relax on the weekends, courtesy of the hard working taxpayer.



Oh only $174,000 a year. I see. So more or less 4 times the median income correct? And obviously much more than what the lowest tier of workers gain in a year correct?

I suppose this is what he means by "an economy that works for everybody", taxing citizens so he can earn at least 4 times what everyone else is making... and lets not forget the perks of travel expenses between those 3 houses being covered by the taxpayer either.

Its embarrasing that you are trying to justify this man's wealth leomoon.

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More details on this well researched video....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSbO491f1HM

ElenaJ said:

The IRS allows you to voluntarily pay more taxes than what is due, so he can start immediately!

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Sanders probably paid, and is paying, taxes on his income already. He's not wealthy enough for most of the loopholes. Trump used bankruptcies to get out of paying taxes, but I don't think Bernie has gone that ignominious route.

david starling said:

Sanders probably paid, and is paying, taxes on his income already. He's not wealthy enough for most of the loopholes. Trump used bankruptcies to get out of paying taxes, but I don't think Bernie has gone that ignominious route.

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So you admit he could voluntarily pay what he calls the "fair share" that he wants to impose on millionaires, but just doesn't?

ElenaJ said:

So you admit he could voluntarily pay what he calls the "fair share" that he wants to impose on millionaires, but just doesn't?

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He's playing by the rules of Capitalism: Make as much money as you can, and avoid paying taxes as much as you can.

Why are you criticizing him for being a Capitalist?

david starling said:

He's playing by the rules of Capitalism: Make as much money as you can, and avoid paying taxes as much as you can.

Why are you criticizing him for being a Capitalist?

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He isn't a capitalist.

david starling said:

Yeah, but if he's for increasing taxes on the wealthiest, and he IS one, then he'll be taxing himself as well. Sounds fair enough.

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Given he, and his comrades, can set their own salary, what diference does it make?

Sure he can increase his own taxes.

And then he can give himself a payrise as compensation.

As most politicians already do in socialist countries....

ElenaJ said:

He isn't a capitalist.

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Why do you say that? Laissez faire Capitalism isn't the only kind there is. Bernie's a Social Safety-net Capitalist, which requires much higher taxes on the wealthiest than Laissez Faire.

Under Eisenhower's administration, the maximum tax on the yearly income of the wealthiest was 90%. JFK lowered it to 65% and the economy was sound, with plenty of work, a living wage, and affordable housing and education. This has been a Social Safety-net Capitalist country since FDR.

Dirius said:

Given he, and his comrades, can set their own salary, what diference does it make?

Sure he can increase his own taxes.

And then he can give himself a payrise as compensation.

As most politicians already do in socialist countries....

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i know that you know the difference between real Socialism and Social Safety-net Capitalism. Under Socialism, the government takes over the corporations. Social Safety-net Capitalism leaves the corporations in place but taxes them.

The Conservatives in Congress are nearly all millionaires, and nearly all of them voted to increase their own salaries. Those are the real hypocrites.

passiflora said:

How bizarre to criticize Bernie for not being homeless. He could obviously have been much more wealthy, had that been his exclusive focus in life. Why aren’t you happy when someone succeeds AND has empathy?

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What?

There is a huge diference between "being homeless" and Bernie Sanders owning three expensive Mansions. Three valuable real estate properties.

Or what do you think his three houses are small apartments on the bad side of town? Of course not... he has three mansions in areas where property value is quite high.

Also he doesn't have any empathy.

- He has berated on millionaires for years.

- He has called out on those who have money and blamed them for most problems.

- He has spoken about "income inequality" more than any other politician.

Turns out he is just a rich hypocrite with more money than most citizens in america, and it turns out, most of his money comes from levying taxes on those poor hard-working citizens.


He is pretty much like an english lord from the middle ages, living off the citizen's hard work, in his three giant palaces, while collecting tax money from them.... for "protection". Its funny.

And for 40 years.... as part of the political aristocracy, or the new nobility.

He is a faker who is looking out for himself, engorging his pockets through the public's hard work. ANd its funny to see people defend and bow to their liege lord Bernie.

passiflora said:

The weakness of these personal critiques is amazing only because they tend to be repeated all the time, like they are valid arguments. The thing is if Sanders was a rabid capitalist he’d be much better at it than Trump, and much better than any of his detractors. He’s made that money literally while trying to do the opposite. There is a certain mean spirit in the capitalism Uber alles folks, who seem to think the only job anyone has in life is to get rich even if it means doing that at the expense of the environment or even the human rights of others.

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Yeah... "personal" critiques. The fact that he does not live up to what he preaches isn't worth discussing correct? Because that would be a totally unrelated subject right? Its not like his entire campaign slogan is based on "the rich are bad", while he is a rich man and a one percenter, while the people that support him follow him like sheep, forcing themselves to ignore that fact.

I'm just comparing his own campaign speeches to how he lives his life, which is fair game for politicians.

Also, lot of "if" and hypotheticals in your statement, which is funny. Its like saying that Bernie would have been a better basketball player than LeBron if he had wanted to.

Bernie is a con-man, and at this stage of the presidential race should be apparent to anyone.

passiflora said:

So utterly empty. Literally all you have is “Sanders managed his money while working on behalf of the people in hopes of increasing his own tax rate. He should have given it away to be a pauper too poor to successfully advocate for the poor.”
The underlying meanness of spirit in your approach is transparent, even when you change the subject by using an out of left field basketball metaphor when we are talking about taxation and finances.

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You are minimizing my argument, to avoid tackling the issue at hand, which is his lack of integrity when he is raking vast amounts of profit from a self-determined government salary ... while preaching about income inequality -- ignoring that the reason half of the members of society can't afford the same luxuries is mainly because of an outreageous taxation system he supports, that is detrimental to economic growth.

You are the one who talked about unreal scenarios, and I just offered one which was just as ridiculous as the one you proposed. Your argument, not mine honey.

Let me ask you something, how much money should a U.S. senator's salary be in your opinion?

And wouldn't you agree that the money that is used to pay senators could be used on something else? like one of those social programs bernie proposes? Let me remind you of something: Bernie Sanders preaches higher taxes. He never preaches cutting down senate costs-- ironic really.

passiflora said:

You are deeply confused if you think you can critique anyone else’s character while supporting an individual as personally vile as Trump.

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You may dislike him, but Trump's character has no inconsistencies. He is the living embodiment of what he preaches. His political message is surprisingly honest and direct. Bernie on the other hand is a walking contradiction:

- He is a rich individual who complains about millionaires.
- He is an "enviromentalist" who flies on private jets.
- He is a socialist who only donates 3% of his annual earnings to charity
- He is a "feminist" that uses sexist terminology in reference to women.
- He complains about income inequality, while taking lots of money from hardworking taxpayers.

"But... but... what about Trump...?!!!!!"

Sure Trump also flies in private jets which pollute the environment, and uses sexist language. But he has never made the claim that he is a feminist, or an enviromentalist, or anything else. He is very transparent about what he stands for, and lives according to those principles. No contradictions for Trump.

Bernie is a phony. A conman who wants power, and contradicts himself at every possible turn.

lelelele this conversation

can't we all say that both bernie, trump and anyone else in government right now is a corrupt scumbag?

passiflora said:

Bernie? He’d be last on the corruption list, for better or worse. That’s what the Democrats hold against him - his incorruptibility is difficult for corrupt people to work with, or so they say.

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all socialists are corrupt lel
the people who take the goodies and spread them around are the most powerful

passiflora said:

Bernie? He’d be last on the corruption list, for better or worse. That’s what the Democrats hold against him - his incorruptibility is difficult for corrupt people to work with, or so they say.

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What? In 2015 Bernie used campaign donations to funnel money to his own family. The story never really had much impact because at the time Bernie had already dropped (well had stolen) the presidential nomination.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/bernie-sanders-family-money
"new report suggests that Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders and his wife have repeatedly done the most socialist thing ever: funnel thousands of campaign and nonprofit dollars toward family members and friends."


He also accepted illegal contributions from foreign entities:
https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-illegal-contribution-828044
Senator Bernie Sanders' campaign agreed to pay a $14,500 fine to the Federal Election Commission last month after the agency ruled the independent's 2016 presidential campaign had accepted an illegal contribution from the Australian Labor Party.

He is a corrupted conman.

Re: Will Trump become the first US Dictator?


Last I heard today, he has ORDERED the Medical experts, to button up not speak out on the Sunday Talk shows they were scheduled to do, AND the only one to speak is Mike Pence, his robot who messed up as Governor during the Aids crisis in Indiana.

So, yes, IF he is re-elected, very likely you will see "unbelievable, first time ever, Awesome, (put any trump adjectives here), indicative of Dictatorship.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-pence-coronavirus_n_5e574261c5b66622ed768d31

Dirius said:

What? In 2015 Bernie used campaign donations to funnel money to his own family. The story never really had much impact because at the time Bernie had already dropped (well had stolen) the presidential nomination.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/bernie-sanders-family-money
"new report suggests that Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders and his wife have repeatedly done the most socialist thing ever: funnel thousands of campaign and nonprofit dollars toward family members and friends."


He also accepted illegal contributions from foreign entities:
https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-illegal-contribution-828044
Senator Bernie Sanders' campaign agreed to pay a $14,500 fine to the Federal Election Commission last month after the agency ruled the independent's 2016 presidential campaign had accepted an illegal contribution from the Australian Labor Party.

He is a corrupted conman.

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He's not a defacto dictator though, like the so-and-so we have now. And, as President, he wouldn't have the type of Cult-following necessary to officially become one.

Instead, perhaps we'll just all decide to vote in the end for Joe Biden, (and his family scandal, as all families seem to have in DC)...Certainly the current man and his clan have too many to even designate without much time & energy.


Yes, with Sen. Joe Biden, we'd get more illegal wars like Iraq was, (this is a warlike country anyway), what else will he donate to the cause?



I'd prefer Bernie Sanders over Biden, regardless of people's reluctance to accept it, his philosphies ARE the way of our future. Just ask the new generations. But for those who revel in the past, there is BIDEN. If need be,that is more often the case all my life - vote for the least bad of the bad ones. I am Anti-War, as Sanders is. Unless of course they actually come onto our shores in gunboats or other WMDs. He wants to reduce the military footprint around the world which sounds just great to me.



Joe Biden's chart for March 3rd Super Tuesday is not at all bad: (although he voted for attacking Hussein & Iraq, a sovereign nation) same with the drones in the last administration, his work with Pres.Obama & HRC. Both far too militant for my taste. Kills far too many innocent children, women & men in foreign countries. For what? "The Green-New-Deal?" actually the opposite.
The Multi-Trillions spent on bombs, military gymnastics & wars just boggles the mind, and then the Repubs say, "well, we don't have money for our citizens health care, with conservative Dems joining the chorus?



The fact his Sun cj. Venus in the 12th is opposite Algol, (Al-ghoul) doesn't give me a protective feeling. It may signify his 1st family lost in a car crash. But it still gives me the "willies" just as it did with Mitt Romney & HRC's charts.

Tr Jupiter will be nearly 20°Capricorn and sextile his Mercury21° Scorpio

On March 3rd Tr. Vesta (the law) in his 6th opposing his 12th house Mercury. Yelling for more delegates?

leomoon said:

Instead, perhaps we'll just all decide to vote in the end for Joe Biden, (and his family scandal, as all families seem to have in DC)...Certainly the current man and his clan have too many to even designate without much time & energy.
Yes, with Sen. Joe Biden, we'd get more illegal wars like Iraq was, (this is a warlike country anyway), what else will he donate to the cause?

I'd prefer Bernie Sanders over Biden, regardless of people's reluctance to accept it, his philosphies ARE the way of our future. Just ask the new generations. But for those who revel in the past, there is BIDEN. If need be,that is more often the case all my life - vote for the least bad of the bad ones. I am Anti-War, as Sanders is. Unless of course they actually come onto our shores in gunboats or other WMDs. He wants to reduce the military footprint around the world which sounds just great to me.

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No they aren't the way of the future.


His philosophies were tried during the 20th century and failed. Utterly failed, ending up in famine, poverty and death for millions of people.
"Democratic socialism" is the reason for the poverty in south america.