Can't wrap my head around a 2D birth chart

Monk

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Hi LeoMoon,
Great Stuff, the Egyptians still follow the philosophy of ancient Egyptians the date of 11th September is New Year in the Coptic Calendar which is the last remnant of of the Egyptian Calendar called Thoth or Thout.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thout
Which is why the Constitution they had before the recent revolution was dated 11th September 1971.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Constitution_of_1971
 

Opal

Premium Member
Hi Leomoon!

Let me know pm when your birthday is, mine has past, I am Libra Sun. I am working, I will be back soon sweet!

Opal
 

leomoon

Well-known member
I've been wrapped up today, trying to find out the tod that Farouk hightailed it out of Egypt. I found a photo of the King's ship going down the Mediterranean leaving Egypt - from Alexandria. He certainly made a wise choice to do so. * See Link below:
I thought I saw on Wiki, he was told to be out of Egypt by 6PM, but I'm still wondering to have the correct stars and Moon's position:




Fateful drive

Farouk, who, on the 25th, had been staying at Montaza Palace while the coup had been brewing, decided that it had “become the perfect air target” for Free Officer-controlled bombers.
Instead, he quickly chose to take refuge in Ras el–Tin Palace in the heart of Alexandria, where “my people would see the Royal Flag of Egypt at my palace mast.”
After all, as Farouk said, he did not want rumors to abound that he had committed suicide.
With the family in agreement to stay together, they turned to the urgent task at hand – packing their belongings. As they had left most of their clothes at Montaza Palace, they were only able to bring around a suitcase each of personal belongings.
After receiving QueenNarriman’s beloved mother,(plus)Caffrey and his personal assistant, and Maher, the premier, Farouk and his family, along with (baby) Fuad’s nurse, made their way to the quayside to depart on the Mahroussa.
Here is the summer Palace shown on the link background of him leaving:

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/per...g-Farouk-s-dramatic-departure-from-power.html

Alexandria Montaza Palace in 2011 March (behind gates - occupied by Mililtary





 
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leomoon

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Hi there,

I am fairly new to astrology, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the 2D image of a birth chart.

At the bottom of this post you can find a little moving 3D animation to illustrate where my confusion comes from. (It's quite a big gif file, so please give it a few seconds to load ;) )

I understand that the equator has been divided in 12 equal parts of 30 degrees, which are projected into space. So, if you are born on the equator it easy to say in which sign a planet is.

Then, I also have read various reasons why the whole house system should be used. One of the reasons being that all houses are of equal importance. Then, based on the place where someone is born, you draw the houses around that place on earth.

Now, I can understand this all, as long as someone is born on the equator. However, if someone is born on another latitude, it all goes wrong in my head. My little 3D visualization also shows this. If you try to combine a 2D view of the 12 signs and a 2D view of the 12 houses, there is no way these two can both consist of 12 equally sized parts in the birth chart.

Again, I am a newbie when it comes to astrology but I really want to understand this. Can someone maybe help me out here? Am I missing something? Thanks a lot in advance...

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xriter:



I'm afraid I get a little ? carried away with Egypt, so I wondered if you got anything out of the Parans. From Monk's Link they are explained better:
The term "paranatellonta" is well-known in greek astrological literature. It designates stars either rising together with the sun or being in other conspicuous positions to it. Tentatively, a forerunner of this conception is identified in an egyptian depiction attested several times from the 13th century BC onwards. There, "gods" are depicted who are defined by their positions in regard to the sun-god. It seems possible to connect their positions with the typical meanings of the word paranatellonta. Some reflections on the contribution of Egypt to hellenistic astrology are added, including some references to the largely unpublished corpus of demotic egyptian astrological texts.
Here is another take on them:


http://ambientastrology.com/articles/2012/9/20/parans-resurfaced.html
 

Monk

Premium Member
Hi Xriter,
The reason i mention Parans are that they are 3D.
Brady's Starlight program now has a few glitches that has to be put right manually, i bought mine soon after it came out and is very astrologer friendly, but was never updated since 2004, therefore Summer Time extention in 2005/7 by US and Canada isn't included:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_United_States#2005%E2%80%932009:_Second_extension


You can get a free astronomy program that you may find isn't astrologer friendly, it will not give Brady's interpretations at all.
Brady's Starlight is very expensive (Approx. £200) and needs updating, and i am not promoting anything, you need to make up your mind what is best for you!


http://www.zyntara.com/
 
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Monk

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On Wikipedia, you can see the original zodiac at the Louvre where it was installed in the 1800s...whereas, in Dendera, its in the open roof area -Likely they cleaned it up.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendera_zodiac


The zodiac puts Sobek the crocodile god in the center - Why? I don't know



and our photo:


I think its kind of neat and framed a much larger version of it but here, I couldn't post it. See the twins (Gemini) Lepus (the hare constellation of stars) and even Taurus the Bull.

Dendera (Temple of Hathor) and some others were added onto or reconstructed Temples 2,000 years ago durnig the Greek - Roman era.

The Temple of Isis another one, and Medinet Habu in Luxor is quite beautiful and not to be missed still another.

The newer versions were built in some cases, over the existing ruins of original temples.


I think the same might apply to the Crocodile Temple on the River Nile called Kom-Ombo (a quick search on Wikipedia says:

The Temple of Kom Ombo is an unusual double temple in the town of Kom Ombo in Aswan Governorate, Upper Egypt.
It was constructed during the Ptolemaic dynasty, 180–47 BC.


DENDERA TEMPLE PANEL:

https://www.universeguide.com/constellation/lepus
Lepus is the 51st largest in terms of size in the night sky. The constellation name means The Hare. The constellation is one of the original constellations that was devised by the Ancient Greco-Egyptian astronomer Ptolemy who lived between 90 A.D. and 168 A.D.





Hi LeoMoon,


In the Zodiac it is small and i can't see properly, could the God Ammit be in the centre and not Sobek? Both have a head of a crocodile?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek
 
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leomoon

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Ammit seems to be shown walking on all 4s (like an animal would)

but Sobek walks erect.


BUT, such an interesting question! I'll reserve the right to change my mind after studying it further, lol. But really, I hadn't known about Ammit does seem to have a mane at the same time & tail - all 4's animal.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammit
We have been looking at our photos from 2004 & 2008, as he had a very good camera and they were taken in different lighting at Kom-Ombo.
I'll post some of them. I found both Ammit & Sobek....


The Crocodile is not depicted as having a tail. Seems Sobek is half human (Pharoah & half crocodile).....so easily seen as human like Pharaoh but having a croc head.

Ammit however, was not worshipped as Sobek was, but rather was feared by the Egyptians as embodying the 3 ferocious animals known then near the River Nile or in it. Crocodile, Hippo & lion.
 
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Monk

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Hi LeoMoon,
Yes it helps with larger image, however i'm not sure, but Ammit makes more sense being in the Center, Anubis weighed the heart, to make sure it was pure enough to pass into the afterlife, if it wasn't pure, Ammit would eat it!
The Egyptians were obsessed with the afterlife, i think they thought all souls that were pure rose to Sirius or the Belt of Orion!
 

leomoon

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Hi LeoMoon,
Yes it helps with larger image, however i'm not sure, but Ammit makes more sense being in the Center, Anubis weighed the heart, to make sure it was pure enough to pass into the afterlife, if it wasn't pure, Ammit would eat it!
The Egyptians were obsessed with the afterlife, i think they thought all souls that were pure rose to Sirius or the Belt of Orion!




I'm thinking on the images, the Sun sits upon the head of the gods/Pharoahs in reverence to the Sun god i.e. "Ra" ...
Not sure from my Cayce readings, but I think Cayce regarded Ra as the original premier god.



https://www.ancient-egypt-online.com/egyptian-god-ra.html
 

Opal

Premium Member
Thanks for sharing LeoMoon, I will be back, I want to look at some books, I have. Looks like you all had a fabulous time!
 

Monk

Premium Member
Hi Leomoon,
You pm' me wondering about my Avatar picture which was during a meditation, after i produced the picture that involves the Dodecahedron.
A larger picture can be seen on link below, but to understand it you will have to go back to page one, it is about fractals, Mandelbrot Set and the Golden Ratio:-
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129263&page=2


I don't have much time today, but after careful consideration, i feel the figure in the Zodiac is Ammit, the legs seem too short to be human, but it is only my opinion.
Where did you get the information that it was Sobek?
 

leomoon

Well-known member
Hi Leomoon,
You pm' me wondering about my Avatar picture which was during a meditation, after i produced the picture that involves the Dodecahedron.
A larger picture can be seen on link below, but to understand it you will have to go back to page one, it is about fractals, Mandelbrot Set and the Golden Ratio:-
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129263&page=2


I don't have much time today, but after careful consideration, i feel the figure in the Zodiac is Ammit, the legs seem too short to be human, but it is only my opinion.
Where did you get the information that it was Sobek?




Sobek? My brain was "out to lunch" when I typed that, I meant AMMIT in the center, the animal composition of 3 ferocious animals feared by Egyptians in ancient days.
BTW: I guess you know this, but others might not. - When the Aswan "High"Dam was built in the late 60s, it brought for the first time electricity throughout the area in Egypt and to Egyptian homes. It was something that the Egyptians are still extremely proud of.


Its very small however compared to the Hoover Dam to see it in person.
Yet, to them its quite a wonder to behold. Who can blame them, after all, it changed their lives forever.



https://www.britannica.com/topic/Aswan-High-Dam


Prior to the Dam, there were crocodiles in the water coming upstream? from Africa's portion of the Nile River.



Ever since the dam., no crocs anymore. :w00t: I did see one little one in the Banana Island zoo, a must see in Luxor on one's boat ride downstream. But really, I'm kidding, as the crocodile died, and nothing there now much to see except bananas. (which are as good as here, only smaller)



I wonder however about the tiger portion mentioned along with Hippos (Hippos I can envision thousands of years ago in Egypt)


Kom-Ombo is right near the water's edge (relatively speaking)


from History of the Hippo: Hippopotamus History.
Large numbers of hippos were found by the river Nile in Ancient Egypt in the ‘Pre dynastic times’. Hippos would forage in the wetlands along the Nile banks. Egyptians feared these hippos because of their size, their large mouths and teeth and their aggressive nature.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Kom_Ombo


Interesting choice for an avatar. :wink:
 

leomoon

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Thanks for sharing LeoMoon, I will be back, I want to look at some books, I have. Looks like you all had a fabulous time!


Opal: One of the neatest documentaries which gives a good deal of history about older Egypt from the 1940s onward until the "Dam" was built was this: (It won awards because it was so well done and keeps your attention with the greatness of the 4 Egyptian long time friends (Coptic, Muslim, Christian, Athiest) who maintained a close bond since they were young. Two of them met in prison when they ended up there for demonstrating during Nassar's era.


note: I found it on YouTube in 4 parts: (about 2 hours long) when before you had to buy it now it's free - on Youtube. I originally saw it on PBS TV. Be sure to look for the ones with the subtitles......I think I posted it here.

*If you don't watch it all, at least check out part one. It starts of with the woman who lived in France explaining her background.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=a8REmyCAap4&feature=emb_logo



It shows how extremely important the Aswan Dam was to everyone. One of these ladies was born wealthy (the athiest or agnostic)and lived in France with a nanny so it shows their extreme diverse backgrounds with a common love of Egypt:


https://www.nfb.ca/film/four_women_egypt/
 
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Monk

Premium Member
Hi Leomoon,


You have a Regulus connection, that was on the cusp in 2011, during the Egyptian revolution, it eventually slipped into Virgo on 18th September 2011.
 

leomoon

Well-known member
Hi there, Happy (happier) New Year to all:



IF me personally, I don't bother looking at my chart anymore. Its far too scarey these days with tr Pluto & tr Saturn hanging over my stellium in the 6th for a decade or so now. :unsure:

You have a Regulus connection, that was on the cusp in 2011, during the Egyptian revolution, it eventually slipped into Virgo on 18th September 2011.


Perhaps I'll fare better with Regulus Moon progressed to Virgo.
 

Monk

Premium Member
Hi Leomoon,


Yes these Pluto/Saturn combinations can be difficult, My birth Saturn is square my MC and Pluto, with Regulus on top.
I feel confined with my bones/Saturn, being a wheelchair user!
Obviously i would have to have Scorpio rising LOL!
 
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leomoon

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Hi Leomoon,


Yes these Pluto/Saturn combinations can be difficult, My birth Saturn is square my MC and Pluto, with Regulus on top.
I feel confined with my bones/Saturn, being a wheelchair user!
Obviously i would have to have Scorpio rising LOL!


Is Saturn your Sun's ruler? It is for me. :rightful:
p.s. Don't know if it will help any, but I thought I'd post my numerology notes I saved from long ago under Opal's post about numbers.
Here: (posts 9188 & 9189)

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124143&page=368
 
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