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Legitimacy of the “Aries Alphabet”

I want to know everyone’s opinion on whether the Aries alphabet or 12 letter alphabet is legitimate, i.e. the system in which Aries equals first house, Taurus second house, Gemini third and so on. I ask because it wasn’t established until the 1970s by Zipporah Dobyns. While some of the connections make sense, does anyone on the forum find it to be contrived, having been so lately developed in the scope of a thousands of years old system?

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Re: Legitimacy of the “Aries Alphabet”

I don't think much of it, for empirical reasons.

Some planet-sign-house combinations are pretty good match-ups, such as Jupiter-Sagittarius-9th house. Others are terrible, like Mars-Aries-1st house. Someone with Saturn rising in Virgo, for example, will be nothing like Mars or Aries.

There is a by-the-numbers tradition in medical astrology. For example, the 12th house and Pisces both rule the feet.

I have a big problem with cookbooks of planets in signs, or planets in houses. An example would be "Venus in Scorpio or the 8th house." Venus in Scorpio, OK, but if one's 8th house is ruled by Leo, it won't be anything like Scorpio.

Deborah Houlding, Houses: Temples of the Sky has a good discussion of the problem. She notes, for example, that Mercury is the traditional ruler of money, not Venus.
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Thank you for the great insight. I agree that cookbook explanations can be problematic. And interesting about medical astrology associations. I know nothing about that topic. Many thanks.
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Re: Legitimacy of the “Aries Alphabet”

I agree with Waybread for Western Astrology. Planet, sign and house are three totally different factors of perception in astro. interpretation.

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Deborah Houlding, Houses: Temples of the Sky has a good discussion of the problem. She notes, for example, that Mercury is the traditional ruler of money, not Venus.
I wonder whether this would be because of the Mercurial 'exchange and barter of/for goods' that needed money/natura to do so, whereas Venus would be associated with 'the possession of goods' after ownership has been duly paid.
(Just hypothetical thought, having little working knowledge of 'the other' side of Western astrology.)
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Yes why have I never thought of that... mercury does seem to fit with trade, commerce, dealing with money and business as opposed to lush, warm, comfy Venus. She doesn’t seem like a businesswoman, more like the goddess of love that she is ha.
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function matters, to Melby

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I want to know everyone’s opinion on whether the Aries alphabet or 12 letter alphabet is legitimate, i.e. the system in which Aries equals first house, Taurus second house, Gemini third and so on.
The strength of the system is its simplicity in that there is ONE key word for EACH sign/planet/house. The weakness of the system is that it EQUATES signs, planets, and houses. Signs, planets, and houses have different functions in the chart. An easy way to understand this is to use the "astro-sentence" for planets: SIGN modifies PLANET focused on HOUSE. So, using waybread's example, SCORPIO modifies VENUS creates the question: which HOUSE is this focused on? Similarly VENUS in the 8th HOUSE creates the question: what SIGN modifies Venus? Incomplete "astro-sentences" give incomplete chart interpretations. And, as waybread mentions, house focuses change how the planet works in the chart: for example, VENUS focused in the 8th HOUSE is VERY different from VENUS focused in the 2nd HOUSE.

More about a simple way to learn basic astrology using this "keyword" system in the link below.

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Re: function matters, to Melby

Thanks, Tim--

I think of the planet as the "what," like the subject of a sentence. Signs are modifiers, like adjectives and adverbs. They give the "how." Houses work like prepositional phrases, indicating the "where" or "in what domain of life" a planet operates.

Melbylorraine, Venus does have a second house rulership, which is luxury goods like jewelry or expensive ornaments. Venus rules luxuries, especially those associated with women. It's a fine line, but Venusian goods aren't bought as investments, but because of their beauty. The second house connection is that they are part of someone's personal possessions.

This is unlike currency and trade, which belong to Mercury.
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